milkboy Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) Tension is high on this board...the highest I've ever seen it. There seems to be 2 sides: those who are unwavering in their defense of Axl and those who are losing their patience and beginning to vent. I tend to lean towards the latter, but also realize that at the end of the day, there's nothing any of us can do to get what we want. We are powerless. The one thing I think many are failing to recoginze though is that there is a problem behind the scenes right now. If you can't see that, then you just don't want to, because the signs are everywhere. I am convinced that a kick-off strategy was planned for late October and something happened around this time that has totally disrupted everything. It is my guess that it was Axl returning to the studio that has disrupted things, which ultimately caused the first 2 shows of the tour to get bumped. Since late October, GNR has reverted back to its old, secretive self. Something's wrong. The Harley Ad thing should be a clear enough sign. Harley was moving forward with a plan. GNR pulled the plug. Then Harley releases another press release saying Better would be released exclusively in early November. It's Nov 21 and nothing's happened. Something's wrong.The official website was launched with such fanfare - live footage was offered. Promises were made for constant news updates. Promises were made for live footage of the Miami show. Promises were made for free membership to a fan club. None of this has happened. Something's wrong.GNR continues to mull its way through this tour that can't seem to end quickly enough. They play three to four new songs every night and Axl never mentions the album. Ever. Something's wrong.I am amazed that the tour is still going. And while this topic will probably be labeled Axl Bashing by many of you, I do think it is to his credit that he has kept his word and continued touring. Something is keeping his album from being released. Whether its his own fault, or the mean nasty label's fault, this is the type of setback that may have sent Axl into hiding a few years ago, but now he is at least keeping the tour alive. That's one good sign.The album is not coming out any time soon though. I really think they are going to complete the tour and then go back into the studio. Who knows how long it will take after that? Edited November 21, 2006 by milkboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantomas Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 They won't be able to do this for a third time. Promise the album and tour. People won't keep going. How much longer can you do a greatest hits curcuit before people lose interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen8R Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Very good post. I agree with everything you said and have thoiught of that myself. Ron mentioned something about the label not letting it out to a fan at the Ottawa show.the only thing that I disagree with is the very last paragraph. I think they willbe pressured into just getting the fucking thing out to the fans sometime early in 2007A8R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawrence Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 i would of thought everyone would be sick of it by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zint Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 I really think they are going to complete the tour and then go back into the studio.oh fawk...let's not even go there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradise City Man Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 rock2 rock1 this guys puts it in perspective. if anyone says some thing like "wtf are you talkin about" to him, your an idiot rock1 rock2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milkboy Posted November 21, 2006 Author Share Posted November 21, 2006 I really think they are going to complete the tour and then go back into the studio.oh fawk...let's not even go there I'm not trying to disspirit people by saying "back to the studio" but really looking at it - if the album was done I think we'd have heard about it. If the label had it, someone in this savvy underground would have heard about it. It would have leaked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0612 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Good Post - I agree. Seems like things changed about the time Merck departed from Sanctuary. How long has it been since the website was updated? Things don't look good. A little info from the GNR camp would go a long way to easing the tension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEU-YORK Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 yeah good post but they can't go back to the studio on this one unless it's recording new stuff.if they haven't 13 (ish) songs sorted by now then we may all lay down and die!then again bumblefoot only joined the band days before the first new york gigs so last minute action isn't new. but since then Axl has promised the album several times so it must be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesire78 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 this looks very true there had to be some kind of delay but how much is the question and is it a serious problem hope not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zint Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 if the album was done I think we'd have heard about it.Sebastian Bach said Axl played the finished album at a party and he said it was amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Manson Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 so............................what your saying is something's wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownsfan Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 well said. the only other "something is wrong" that I'd pile on with is that they supposedly had a marketing agreement with Major League Baseball... which, to me, implied a marketing blitz to coincide with the playoffs or the World Series. and we saw nothing. Something is wrong.and now that the band is touring, its not like they have a lot of time to go fix anything in the studio. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if we don't see anything until some months after the current leg of the tour is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milkboy Posted November 21, 2006 Author Share Posted November 21, 2006 if the album was done I think we'd have heard about it.Sebastian Bach said Axl played the finished album at a party and he said it was amazing.Of course that was the weekend of the KROQ Inland Invasion in September. We learrned later that the reason the first two shows in late October were bumped was because Axl was back in the studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen8R Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 if the album was done I think we'd have heard about it.Sebastian Bach said Axl played the finished album at a party and he said it was amazing.This leads into my theory of what the actual delay is caused by. I think the album that Baz heard was with Buckethead, Brain, and some Josh on it. since we are three drummers past Josh now and a guitarist past Buckethead I think that Ron is to re-record all of Buckets parts and Frank is re-doing some of Josh's and maybe some of brains parts. A8R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old School Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Good post. I agree. I think they are going to lumber through the rest of the tour and then get back the fucking studio right away and nail down whatever it is he is doing and then we'll see it in the spring. And that right there is FUCKED. But who knows, maybe there will be another delay. It's just fucking insanity. I'd still like to kick his little pansy ass, the little bitch. If it doesn't come out in '06 I am not buying the fucking thing and will download it only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesire78 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 well the harley ad was delayed for some reason we still don't know why yet someones time frame was at least aliitle off somewhere iam not saying we won't see the album by the end of the year i still have hope but it seems thing didn't go quite according to plan there was some kind of problem big or small but i think to say everything went peachy is aliitle off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
There Was A Fine Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 i think axl read that we didnt like some of the leaks or how were saying there no worht 10 years so axls proberly gone all depressed and redoing them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian0612 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 if the album was done I think we'd have heard about it.Sebastian Bach said Axl played the finished album at a party and he said it was amazing.If Axl played this at a party, then why aren't other people that attended the party commenting on the record. Is Bach just so far up Axl's ass that he used this as an opportunity to score points with him or are the other people who heard the album not impressed enough to make a comment about it. In my opinion, Bach would have given a good review if Axl had of played him a Def Lepard album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicious Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 some people have the idea that everyone here wants axl to failwe don'twe're just tired off all the bullshit he feeds us everyday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen8R Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 some people have the idea that everyone here wants axl to failwe don'twe're just tired off all the bullshit he feeds us everyday Yeah, enough bullshit, we want the Cow, the Meat, the Steak the T-Bone. We want CHINESE DEMOCRACY!A8R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 if the album was done I think we'd have heard about it.Sebastian Bach said Axl played the finished album at a party and he said it was amazing.If Axl played this at a party, then why aren't other people that attended the party commenting on the record. Is Bach just so far up Axl's ass that he used this as an opportunity to score points with him or are the other people who heard the album not impressed enough to make a comment about it. In my opinion, Bach would have given a good review if Axl had of played him a Def Lepard album.Do we even know who else attended the pary??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick85 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Great post. Sums everything up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inho Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 If they want to spend the next 6 millenia adding harpsichord to the fucker thats fine.dont promise the thing and not deliver.I am a very pissed off fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tat2d1 Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 (edited) Excellent post. Something is definately wrong. I started to sense it when Merck had all talk of the Rolling Stone article silenced over at HTGTH.I, for one, am sick of the constant empty promises this band makes. It really shows their character- or lack thereof. Edited November 21, 2006 by tat2d1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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