Wando Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 Just a thought - maybe Axl uses tapes on the first three songs, WTTJ, ISE & Mr.B. Those gets allways played, hardly ever even have a song introduction between them, I haven't ever heard Axl stopping one of'em (atleast in new GN'R-shows) and they're essential for the show to be a success.Glasgow 21st July 2006Axl stops after It's So Easy to tell the crowd to step back.I was on the barrier and fuck me the ribs took a nice knocking that night, got pulled out though.Anyway..no i don't think Axl uses a backing tape. His ear monitor controls the volume of his monitor only..seriously some of you guys think he has his own little mixing desk on his belt. He DOES NOT control the output volume of his voice. He controls what goes into his ear ONLY, the equilavent of turning up your Ipod.Ha! Thanks, actually I wanted my theory to be overruled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let And Let Live Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 i would except axl using back up vocals for tracks similiar to the arrangements of t.w.a.t. but if he has to use it for "more basic songs" without the layers etc. that will be the time to stop going to concerts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huevin Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 Just a thought - maybe Axl uses tapes on the first three songs, WTTJ, ISE & Mr.B. Those gets allways played, hardly ever even have a song introduction between them, I haven't ever heard Axl stopping one of'em (atleast in new GN'R-shows) and they're essential for the show to be a success.Glasgow 21st July 2006Axl stops after It's So Easy to tell the crowd to step back.I was on the barrier and fuck me the ribs took a nice knocking that night, got pulled out though.Anyway..no i don't think Axl uses a backing tape. His ear monitor controls the volume of his monitor only..seriously some of you guys think he has his own little mixing desk on his belt. He DOES NOT control the output volume of his voice. He controls what goes into his ear ONLY, the equilavent of turning up your Ipod.Ha! Thanks, actually I wanted my theory to be overruled yes, and that's what we got from download festival 2006 show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bromle Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 HE DOES!You can hear it in "it's so easy" in RIR 3 and you can also hear it on the "high pitch singing" in "better" from Rock Am Ring. If you see both those videos you will see and hear it. So, He does But he still sings on top and it sounds great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrie Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 thats what I thought so i originally dismissed the thoughtThen a local radio station was even claiming that he was using a tape for the songHe could just use a tape for Brownstone... Thats why I decided to ask everyone's opinions. I was shocked to hear the vocals still going So I was trying to find out who was still singing.During Brownstone does Dizzy sing at all?.. thats the only person I couldn't see whether he was singing or notHe does not use a tape for Brownstone. At the show I was at, he adlibbed lines and changed the lyrics. If he had been using a tape he could not have done that. Chances are you heard a backup singer and just thought it was Axl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
November_rain Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 I don´t think he uses back up tapes because if he used them,then he would always sound perfect and sometimes his voice sounds weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 Pitman does back up voclas too on songs like better, he sounds weaker but still adds something. Could be what you're hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsnaxls Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 I wondered the same thing, especially on some of the 1993 bootlegs. I used to have a bootleg (I think Milton Keynes 1993) where Axl was singing near the end of YCBM and screamed "fuck you" at some fan. But while he was saying this, you could clearly hear HIM singing in the background as well (it was during the chorus). It definitely sounded like him, not Izzy (who was back for this show) or anyone else. So I wouldn't be shocked if he used some backing tapes at least during the choruses at some point, but nowadays he definitely DOES NOT use them. I was at a show two weeks ago, and he completely fucked up Chinese Democracy, and there was nothing that saved him except himself after a few seconds. He has also made many other mistakes during songs in other shows recently, and it's clearly him singing live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandita Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 Axl makes a lot of lyrical mistakes so I am sure if he was using back up vocals it would be noticeable.Maybe Pitman has sound effects going or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Cheap Hangover Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 I've could of sworn I heard it too at the Chicago show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EverythingWasRoses Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 I'm pretty sure that Ron, Robin, Tommy, Pitman, and maybe Dizzy all do backup and some pointIt could have been any of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 Maybe it was Pitman.There is truth to that.Axl uses voice "samples" to add effects to his singing. It's clear in "Better" - the "intro" part, which is repeated in several pars of the song, including the ending, is really weird to sing live. Parts like these are controlled by Pitman the almighty.Axl also has a cool little effects box he wears on his sides. You can seem fiddle with it in certain songs. I'm pretty sure there's some kind of echo effect on there.But yeah, Axl ain't no Ashley Simpson. But Slash might be. I have been told that Slash uses a backup tape and a backstage guitarist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
November_rain Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 I have been told that Slash uses a backup tape and a backstage guitarist.You must be joking honey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyrie Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 Pretty much the only thing Axl uses is a couple of effects. I think there's an echo effect or something on that Live and Let Die scream.Aside from that, it's him. As myself and others have pointed out - he changes lines, adlibs, and makes plenty of mistakes. He has sung an entire wrong verse before.Go watch the people who do use tapes - the pop acts - and you don't see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssiscool Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 i doubt it true but he is 44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nambis Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 I don't know if Axl uses recorded lead vocals, but he definately usees pre-recorded backing vocals. I saw the shows in calgary and edmonton and could clearly hear them on a few songs, e.g. paradise city. also, in the end of paradise city, you could hear back up vocals that weren't loud enough to clearly hear, but they were there if you listened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustaine Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 Not a chance... his voice changes so much between shows, you can hear that sometimes he doesn't hit the notes which is a good thing. If he was using backup he would sound perfect which he doesn't.And ummmm... don't forget that we have his mike mix from Donington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Axl Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 no.you see, the thing is. In some songs yuo can hear a echo, you can hear it very well during the "I never wandte you to bel so full of anger, I never waned you to be somebody else" part of Better.It must have been that you heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nambis Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 no, it was definately NOT echoes, it was backup recordings of axls singing the refrains, etc. I was listening very carefully and I could hear this in several songs.and as for the mike mix from donnington... I didn't say that the lead vocals were pre-recorded, and that mike mix still doesn't prove that he isn't using recorded backing vocals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Axl Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 its echos alright.But the echoes are done in a way so they dont disturb his singing.Thye us eit at the VMAS in 02' too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nambis Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 dude, it's not echoes! I've played guitar for 14 years and I've been in several bands and attended hundreds of concerts, and I know the difference between echoes and a refrain some of you are (for some reason) afraid to admit that axl uses recorded samples of himself singing during shows. They play it during refrains and also other parts of the song, e.g. at the end of paradise city you can hear the refrain being played when Axl isn't even singing. It's barely audible but you CAN hear it there. And it's not fucking echoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustaine Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 dude, it's not echoes! I've played guitar for 14 years and I've been in several bands and attended hundreds of concerts, and I know the difference between echoes and a refrain some of you are (for some reason) afraid to admit that axl uses recorded samples of himself singing during shows. They play it during refrains and also other parts of the song, e.g. at the end of paradise city you can hear the refrain being played when Axl isn't even singing. It's barely audible but you CAN hear it there. And it's not fucking echoes.Well... since you've already decided, I see no reason to carry on with the thread I'm sticking to my guns... he is not using a backup tape :xmasssanta: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveVai Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 (edited) It happened in Birmingham,during YCBM..and no,Axl does not use playback tapes.Tommy,Robin and Ron sing this song live,they make the backing vocals.When he threw security out lol - Classic night. And yeah its just the other guys backing him. Edited December 9, 2006 by SteveVai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 dude, it's not echoes! I've played guitar for 14 years and I've been in several bands and attended hundreds of concerts, and I know the difference between echoes and a refrain some of you are (for some reason) afraid to admit that axl uses recorded samples of himself singing during shows. They play it during refrains and also other parts of the song, e.g. at the end of paradise city you can hear the refrain being played when Axl isn't even singing. It's barely audible but you CAN hear it there. And it's not fucking echoes.Hang on....What The Fuck!"Hey guys, i'm getting on a bit, i will require a little stage side help.""you mean like a back up tape for your vocals?""yea, that's exactly what i need""ok Axl no problem..""Oh and make it barely audible"Why the fuck would you do that? You are talking out of your arse sir. In the end, there have been 1000's of times Axl could have been caught out. At the end of paradise city, there's a shit load of stuff going on..why would you need it then? I really shouldn't even respond to your post. Especially when you start with the classic "Experience" sentenceI've played guitar for 14 years and I've been in several bands and attended hundreds of concerts, and I know the difference between echoes and a refrain Axl Rose, one of the most stubborn men in rock. You think he really cares too much what he sounds like? Especially after touring in 2002 with a throat the size of a pea. Whatever has made his voice sooo God damn fucking good, i don't really care. The man is back and he fucking rocks. End Of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnan Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 I thought it was Axl singing, but it's backup vocals. Not Axl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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