My review of Slash's show on 9/9/14

[Strange Broue]

Then why are you comparing Myles with Axl? You brought Axl in your review. If you don´t like Slash band just say it´s not your cup of tea without bringing Axl into the discussion.

Yeah, this is my question too...

I don't like YCBM with Myles on vocals, but your review is pretty poor and delusional

A reunion never gonna happen so grow up and let it go, bro

[HubbaBubba]

So because there are douchebags who give Axl shit about no slash, you fill the role of the douchebag who gives slash shit about no Axl. Gotcha.

There's something about two wrongs.... aw fuck it.

[Bono]

I was in attendence for the Slash/Aerosmith concert at DTE (Pine Knob) near Detroit on 9/9/14. For this review I am concentrating on just Slash's set. Let me start by saying this was the first time I have seen Slash live with any band or in any form. His guitar playing was stellar as always, and as a guitar player (me) I can honestly say he did out play both guitarists from Aerosmith. Which isn't a knock against Brad and Joe from Aerosmith, but more of an acknowledgement that Slash is indeed a superior player than them. From my memory, the band played around 10 songs; 5 gnr songs, 1 vr song (slither), Back from Cali, Anastasia, and what I'm assuming are 2 new songs from World on Fire. The band sounded good on all of Slash's solo songs, and I even enjoyed Myles on Slither. He can do an admirable job on VR tunes, I'll give him that.

Ok now that I have the good out of the way, here is the bad. While I have to admit that Slash does play all guns material better than any current or former gnr guitarist. Whether Axl ever cares to admit it, but Slash's tone is a BIG part of gnr's sound. But having said that, I was very bothered by the amount of guns tunes that they played that night. I hear and read a lot about how Slash has moved on from guns, yet half of his set included guns material. I'm not saying he shouldn't play any guns songs, but half his set? I gotta call BS on that, especially considering the amount of shit Axl gets on this very forum. When clearly Slash is doing the same damn thing. Honestly I was expecting half of his set to be new songs, with older stuff peppered in. Not half the set being guns songs, hypocrite much?

It wasn't a Slash concert. It was an Aerosmith concert and Slash was opening.The people there for the most part where there to see Aerosmith and Slash catered to that crowd a he was imply an opening act. It's not even remotely the same thing as a Slash concert. If this was a Slash concert half the setlist would not be Guns N' Roses songs. Regardless Slash was part of the band who wrote those Guns N' Roses songs, they are his songs as much as they are Axl's and its about damn time he started playing them again. Go to a Slash concert then give us a review and I'm guessing you'll complain about the lack of GnR tunes. All you accomplished in your review was coming across as a massive Axl fan boy who couldn't wait to get home and write a review complaining about Slash.

Edited September 14, 2014 by Bono

[Iron MikeyJ]

So I come across as a massive Axl fanboy for comparing Myles vocals on guns songs with the way Axl sings them? Umm??? But excuse me but Axl's vocals are the original versions, you can not hear a different version WITHOUT thinking of the original. When gnr covered songs like Sympathy for the devil, people compare and contrast with the original version. That's how it works. I brought Axl into my review because his vocals are a HUGE part to all of the songs, they are the standard that all gnr covers are compared to. It doesn't matter if its some chick singing SCOM at a kareyoke bar, you will still compare them to the original.

But beyond all that, it was Myles lack of a stage presence that really got to me. I was expecting more. Honestly he is one of the least talented frontman (in stage persence) that I have ever seen. I can't think of one with less to be honest. I have seen hundreds of bands live in my life, and yes Myles Kennedy stage presence is near (or at) the bottom of the list. I'm not the only one who feels this way either, many people in this thread have agreed with me. I also said in my review that he sings the songs well, and musically the band did sound good. I also said that Slash himself played great. So it's not like I completley trashed the performance, I gave my honest opinion of WHAT I SAW. But apparently you can't give an honest opinion around here if it goes against the grain. It's so apparent the double standard around here, Axl bashing is ok. But talk bad about Slash (which I didn't, just his band) and thats crossing the line. Ok gotcha....

[WFA]

Headline shows less than half his set is GNR tunes. this was an aerosmith show. Mike420 pls

[Padme]

A comparison is not the same as a review. You could say in your opinion Slash should look for better bandmates and a better singer. And that the band should make a better effort when performing the GN´R classics. That´s an opinion and that´s fair game.

But you´re comparing Myles with Axl. That´s not a review. If you wanna compare singers you better compare current Axl with Steven Tyler. After all you said Slash performed better that Perry. Does Axl performes better than Tyler? Did you see Tyler forgeting the lyrics of the songs? Does Tylers sound like Mickey Mouse?

[Damn_Smooth]

So I come across as a massive Axl fanboy for comparing Myles vocals on guns songs with the way Axl sings them? Umm??? But excuse me but Axl's vocals are the original versions, you can not hear a different version WITHOUT thinking of the original. When gnr covered songs like Sympathy for the devil, people compare and contrast with the original version. That's how it works. I brought Axl into my review because his vocals are a HUGE part to all of the songs, they are the standard that all gnr covers are compared to. It doesn't matter if its some chick singing SCOM at a kareyoke bar, you will still compare them to the original.

But beyond all that, it was Myles lack of a stage presence that really got to me. I was expecting more. Honestly he is one of the least talented frontman (in stage persence) that I have ever seen. I can't think of one with less to be honest. I have seen hundreds of bands live in my life, and yes Myles Kennedy stage presence is near (or at) the bottom of the list. I'm not the only one who feels this way either, many people in this thread have agreed with me. I also said in my review that he sings the songs well, and musically the band did sound good. I also said that Slash himself played great. So it's not like I completley trashed the performance, I gave my honest opinion of WHAT I SAW. But apparently you can't give an honest opinion around here if it goes against the grain. It's so apparent the double standard around here, Axl bashing is ok. But talk bad about Slash (which I didn't, just his band) and thats crossing the line. Ok gotcha....

What could you possibly expect from a bunch of blind Slash worshippers? Of course their anus stings that Slash shows suck.

[Patience 4 Axl]

As for the criticism about Axl not being able to sing those songs anymore, IMO he still does it infinitely better than Myles.

That's ok, they're not Myles' songs. They weren't written for him, he didn't record them. He sounds nothing like Axl, and that's not a bad thing.

And even though they are Axl's songs, he doesn't do them much justice nowadays anyway. I don't see that as an opinion, that's an actual comparison of taking the same tunes and merely listening to the different footage. When you have fans posting videos and saying "check out 1:42 to 1:44. I hear rasp!" that's a problem. People want to accept Axl's falsetto and higher range now because that'a all we get. But that's not the unique voice that turned us on to Guns in the first place, and it's not the Axl we became a fan of. Some people are willing to settle for that now, but that doesn't make it good.

[jmapelian]

Too early for Worst Post of the Year Award?

Others have already stated why Slash probably played what is an abnormally high percentage of Guns songs at this specific show, but personally when they get around to their headlining gigs I'd love to hear zero GNR. He'll probably always need to include a couple(SCOM & PC) for the casuals, but he has more than enough to stuff a killer setlist from Snakepit, VR, 2010 solo and Conspirators.

WOF the album a big kick in the balls to those clinging to the past. The train left the station long ago and now at top speed...

He's got to much good stuff

[Damn_Smooth]

As for the criticism about Axl not being able to sing those songs anymore, IMO he still does it infinitely better than Myles.

That's ok, they're not Myles' songs. They weren't written for him, he didn't record them. He sounds nothing like Axl, and that's not a bad thing.

And even though they are Axl's songs, he doesn't do them much justice nowadays anyway. I don't see that as an opinion, that's an actual comparison of taking the same tunes and merely listening to the different footage. When you have fans posting videos and saying "check out 1:42 to 1:44. I hear rasp!" that's a problem. People want to accept Axl's falsetto and higher range now because that'a all we get. But that's not the unique voice that turned us on to Guns in the first place, and it's not the Axl we became a fan of. Some people are willing to settle for that now, but that doesn't make it good.

Slash should have hired somebody that could sing them then. For every assclown Axl hires that can't play Guns songs, he hires one that can. Proof positive that Axl cares more about the fans.

[Patience 4 Axl]

As for the criticism about Axl not being able to sing those songs anymore, IMO he still does it infinitely better than Myles.

That's ok, they're not Myles' songs. They weren't written for him, he didn't record them. He sounds nothing like Axl, and that's not a bad thing.

And even though they are Axl's songs, he doesn't do them much justice nowadays anyway. I don't see that as an opinion, that's an actual comparison of taking the same tunes and merely listening to the different footage. When you have fans posting videos and saying "check out 1:42 to 1:44. I hear rasp!" that's a problem. People want to accept Axl's falsetto and higher range now because that'a all we get. But that's not the unique voice that turned us on to Guns in the first place, and it's not the Axl we became a fan of. Some people are willing to settle for that now, but that doesn't make it good.

Slash should have hired somebody that could sing them then. For every assclown Axl hires that can't play Guns songs, he hires one that can. Proof positive that Axl cares more about the fans.

But he can sing them. I enjoy the shows a lot and I really like Myles.

[jmapelian]

I knew this would cause a bit of a firestorm across the board, but I figured it would give us all something to talk about.

I also knew most people would disagree with me, but what is you disagree with? The fact that I said I didn't think his band was awesome or wonderful? Or that he played a lot of guns songs which was suprising to me (from things I read on this forum, I thought only a couple gnr songs)? Or is that I thought Myles was a boring performer?

I'm realizing that their seems to be a double standard here. If someone came on here and gave a crappy review of a NUgnr show, most posters would just agree with them. Some would defend Axl yes, but the majority would just talk about what a shit show Axl's band is. But because I posted a crappy review of a Slash show I get called names? See what I mean? I'm sorry folks, but I wasn't defending Axl either, I was calling it like I see it as a Guns n' Roses fan since 1995. I've watched it all go to hell, I have seen what both Axl and Slash have tried to do and I'm unimpressed with both of them. They were FAR better together than they are apart. So sue me for wanting that again.

Your comparing an opening set to a headlining set. If you never saw a slash headlining show you haven't been to a slash show.

[Damn_Smooth]

As for the criticism about Axl not being able to sing those songs anymore, IMO he still does it infinitely better than Myles.

That's ok, they're not Myles' songs. They weren't written for him, he didn't record them. He sounds nothing like Axl, and that's not a bad thing.

And even though they are Axl's songs, he doesn't do them much justice nowadays anyway. I don't see that as an opinion, that's an actual comparison of taking the same tunes and merely listening to the different footage. When you have fans posting videos and saying "check out 1:42 to 1:44. I hear rasp!" that's a problem. People want to accept Axl's falsetto and higher range now because that'a all we get. But that's not the unique voice that turned us on to Guns in the first place, and it's not the Axl we became a fan of. Some people are willing to settle for that now, but that doesn't make it good.

Slash should have hired somebody that could sing them then. For every assclown Axl hires that can't play Guns songs, he hires one that can. Proof positive that Axl cares more about the fans.

But he can sing them. I enjoy the shows a lot and I really like Myles.

Lies!!!

[ShadowOfTheWave]

As for the criticism about Axl not being able to sing those songs anymore, IMO he still does it infinitely better than Myles.

That's ok, they're not Myles' songs. They weren't written for him, he didn't record them. He sounds nothing like Axl, and that's not a bad thing.

And even though they are Axl's songs, he doesn't do them much justice nowadays anyway. I don't see that as an opinion, that's an actual comparison of taking the same tunes and merely listening to the different footage. When you have fans posting videos and saying "check out 1:42 to 1:44. I hear rasp!" that's a problem. People want to accept Axl's falsetto and higher range now because that'a all we get. But that's not the unique voice that turned us on to Guns in the first place, and it's not the Axl we became a fan of. Some people are willing to settle for that now, but that doesn't make it good.

Slash should have hired somebody that could sing them then. For every assclown Axl hires that can't play Guns songs, he hires one that can. Proof positive that Axl cares more about the fans.

But Slash isn't calling his band GNR. Myles is not the vocalist for GNR and these are not GNR shows.The fact that he plays Guns songs in his solo shows at all means he cares about the fans.

[Damn_Smooth]

As for the criticism about Axl not being able to sing those songs anymore, IMO he still does it infinitely better than Myles.

That's ok, they're not Myles' songs. They weren't written for him, he didn't record them. He sounds nothing like Axl, and that's not a bad thing.

And even though they are Axl's songs, he doesn't do them much justice nowadays anyway. I don't see that as an opinion, that's an actual comparison of taking the same tunes and merely listening to the different footage. When you have fans posting videos and saying "check out 1:42 to 1:44. I hear rasp!" that's a problem. People want to accept Axl's falsetto and higher range now because that'a all we get. But that's not the unique voice that turned us on to Guns in the first place, and it's not the Axl we became a fan of. Some people are willing to settle for that now, but that doesn't make it good.

Slash should have hired somebody that could sing them then. For every assclown Axl hires that can't play Guns songs, he hires one that can. Proof positive that Axl cares more about the fans.

But Slash isn't calling his band GNR. Myles is not the vocalist for GNR and these are not GNR shows.The fact that he plays Guns songs in his solo shows at all means he cares about the fans.

No shit he's not calling his band Gn'R, he doesn't own the name. What does that have to do with anything. Surely you can't be foolish enough to believe that he wouldn't be using it if he did own it?

[ShadowOfTheWave]

As for the criticism about Axl not being able to sing those songs anymore, IMO he still does it infinitely better than Myles.

That's ok, they're not Myles' songs. They weren't written for him, he didn't record them. He sounds nothing like Axl, and that's not a bad thing.

And even though they are Axl's songs, he doesn't do them much justice nowadays anyway. I don't see that as an opinion, that's an actual comparison of taking the same tunes and merely listening to the different footage. When you have fans posting videos and saying "check out 1:42 to 1:44. I hear rasp!" that's a problem. People want to accept Axl's falsetto and higher range now because that'a all we get. But that's not the unique voice that turned us on to Guns in the first place, and it's not the Axl we became a fan of. Some people are willing to settle for that now, but that doesn't make it good.

Slash should have hired somebody that could sing them then. For every assclown Axl hires that can't play Guns songs, he hires one that can. Proof positive that Axl cares more about the fans.

But Slash isn't calling his band GNR. Myles is not the vocalist for GNR and these are not GNR shows.The fact that he plays Guns songs in his solo shows at all means he cares about the fans.

No shit he's not calling his band Gn'R, he doesn't own the name. What does that have to do with anything. Surely you can't be foolish enough to believe that he wouldn't be using it if he did own it?

That's not the point. You're saying Slash should hire someone who can sing GNR songs, but why when his band isn't GNR?

[Patience 4 Axl]

As for the criticism about Axl not being able to sing those songs anymore, IMO he still does it infinitely better than Myles.

That's ok, they're not Myles' songs. They weren't written for him, he didn't record them. He sounds nothing like Axl, and that's not a bad thing.

And even though they are Axl's songs, he doesn't do them much justice nowadays anyway. I don't see that as an opinion, that's an actual comparison of taking the same tunes and merely listening to the different footage. When you have fans posting videos and saying "check out 1:42 to 1:44. I hear rasp!" that's a problem. People want to accept Axl's falsetto and higher range now because that'a all we get. But that's not the unique voice that turned us on to Guns in the first place, and it's not the Axl we became a fan of. Some people are willing to settle for that now, but that doesn't make it good.

Slash should have hired somebody that could sing them then. For every assclown Axl hires that can't play Guns songs, he hires one that can. Proof positive that Axl cares more about the fans.

But he can sing them. I enjoy the shows a lot and I really like Myles.

Lies!!!

Nuh - uh.

Look, I can't for the life of me figure out how people like Axl's singing now and think he's still a great frontman. I've gone to numerous shows and my opinion has not been changed. Maybe they just haven't experienced other concerts with other artists, or maybe they can't get beyond the stargazing of their idol standing in front of them. I don't know. I wouldn't call them liers, but I definitely carry a much different opinion.

I remember having these same debates when VR was active. Lots and lots of back and forth. People hated Scott, I thought he was great. People hate Myles now. Whatever. As a Slash fan I'm happy, but you can't make everyone happy.

[jmapelian]

So I come across as a massive Axl fanboy for comparing Myles vocals on guns songs with the way Axl sings them? Umm??? But excuse me but Axl's vocals are the original versions, you can not hear a different version WITHOUT thinking of the original. When gnr covered songs like Sympathy for the devil, people compare and contrast with the original version. That's how it works. I brought Axl into my review because his vocals are a HUGE part to all of the songs, they are the standard that all gnr covers are compared to. It doesn't matter if its some chick singing SCOM at a kareyoke bar, you will still compare them to the original.

But beyond all that, it was Myles lack of a stage presence that really got to me. I was expecting more. Honestly he is one of the least talented frontman (in stage persence) that I have ever seen. I can't think of one with less to be honest. I have seen hundreds of bands live in my life, and yes Myles Kennedy stage presence is near (or at) the bottom of the list. I'm not the only one who feels this way either, many people in this thread have agreed with me. I also said in my review that he sings the songs well, and musically the band did sound good. I also said that Slash himself played great. So it's not like I completley trashed the performance, I gave my honest opinion of WHAT I SAW. But apparently you can't give an honest opinion around here if it goes against the grain. It's so apparent the double standard around here, Axl bashing is ok. But talk bad about Slash (which I didn't, just his band) and thats crossing the line. Ok gotcha....

Myles will be the first to tell you being a frontman doesn't come naturally to him. But for the most part, slash plays small theatre's clubs and has a small stage. Myles usually doesn't have much room to roam. And he is much better stage presence wise with guitar in hand with alterbridge

[Damn_Smooth]

As for the criticism about Axl not being able to sing those songs anymore, IMO he still does it infinitely better than Myles.

That's ok, they're not Myles' songs. They weren't written for him, he didn't record them. He sounds nothing like Axl, and that's not a bad thing.

And even though they are Axl's songs, he doesn't do them much justice nowadays anyway. I don't see that as an opinion, that's an actual comparison of taking the same tunes and merely listening to the different footage. When you have fans posting videos and saying "check out 1:42 to 1:44. I hear rasp!" that's a problem. People want to accept Axl's falsetto and higher range now because that'a all we get. But that's not the unique voice that turned us on to Guns in the first place, and it's not the Axl we became a fan of. Some people are willing to settle for that now, but that doesn't make it good.

Slash should have hired somebody that could sing them then. For every assclown Axl hires that can't play Guns songs, he hires one that can. Proof positive that Axl cares more about the fans.

But Slash isn't calling his band GNR. Myles is not the vocalist for GNR and these are not GNR shows.The fact that he plays Guns songs in his solo shows at all means he cares about the fans.

No shit he's not calling his band Gn'R, he doesn't own the name. What does that have to do with anything. Surely you can't be foolish enough to believe that he wouldn't be using it if he did own it?

That's not the point. You're saying Slash should hire someone who can sing GNR songs, but why when his band isn't GNR?

Because surely you understand just as well as Slash does that any fan he has would expect him to play at least some Gn'R songs. I personally agree with the vast majority of the popupation that he should play only Gn'R songs. Knowing that people would expect that, he should hire a singer that can at least do a competent job.

[jmapelian]

I don't think anyone thinks slash should only play gnr songs. ...I think you're the only one who suggested such a thing.

[Damn_Smooth]

I don't think anyone thinks slash should only play gnr songs. ...I think you're the only one who suggested such a thing.

His record sales and concert attendence as well as ticket prices suggest the exact same thing.

[Nosaj Thing]

I'm not going to name posters, because I don't remember everything by heart and I won't go delving into old threads just for that. It's not that important to me to prove I'm right.

It's not about proving that you're right. This is not an argument, this is a discussion. I have been a longer member of this forum than you and I have never seen people complaining about Rose performing AFD, Lies or UYI songs. I requested the name of the posters who did (in case I, somehow, never noticed them) because the OP said that "Axl get bashed everyday because of it!", so it wouldn't be that hard to find them, don't you think? Why would you have to 'go delving into old threads' for that if Axl is bashed in a daily manner for performing Mr. Brownstone, a song that was written by Izzy and Slash.

So, I'll just rephrase it. I might call bashing what you think is reasonable criticism. I haven't been here for all these years, so my expectations were never that high to begin with. My expectations for GNR were gone by 1993, so I missed all that talk about erasing old GNR, all the new albums promised. My perception, merely from reading the forum, was that Slash played next to no GNR songs.

To me, it's quite clear they both still live off old GNR, although Slash has released much more music and has left GNR for almost 20 years, and Axl could have done so, so much more in all those years.

But what you call "bashing" does not exist and it never existed in this forum or any other. Why do I know this? Because it's stupid. Yes, people have criticized Axl for sounding like shit (me included), and for not changing the setlist when he has all this back catalog of songs to choose from, and because he doesn't move forward with a new album or new music, and... even for not performing enough CD songs but never for what you think is 'bashing'. That, has never existed.

I don't know if I'm blind or maybe you're confusing this forum with another but where did you read that Slash plays next to no Gn'R songs in his current sets? They just added You Could Be Mine for this tour, Sweet Child O' Mine has been performed in every show since 2010 and Paradise City is always the encore, so, explain to me how would anyone think or interpret that as "he plays next to no GN'R songs"?

No shit! Do they live off old Gn'R? Maybe it's because they built that band together? While Axl kept the name, and he's the fully owner of "Guns N' Roses", he doesn't own the music that band created. Let's remember that the criticism for Axl was not for performing the old songs, was for not moving forward with his current band, and becoming a nostalgia act and, let me point out that the ones criticizing were 'mostly' fans of the current line-up. Not even the ones who love old Gn'R.

For me, if Axl decides to perform the UYI catalog tomorrow, I'm happy - as long as he sounds like he did in 2010.

I'm not saying it's wrong at all. It would be a shame to never hear Axl and Slash perform those songs anymore. But personally, I wish they'd both be able to depend more on the stuff they did after AFD and UYI.

If you take in consideration that what the OP saw was half of the show Slash always performs, then I think Slash plays more of his songs. I haven't seen Slash perform yet and fuck no, I want to see him performing Gn'R songs, just like I wanted to hear the old songs when I went to see Axl in 2010. I understand that people want them performing their new stuff, well, for Axl, they want new stuff first so he can perform it, but see, not everyone had the pleasure to see the real deal back in the 90s.

As for the criticism about Axl not being able to sing those songs anymore, IMO he still does it infinitely better than Myles.

If out of breath, cracking vocals and forgetting lyrics is better than a guy who tries to do those songs justice, then I don't know what to tell you. For me, Myles sounds infinitely better than current Axl. Of course, that doesn't apply when Axl is on fire, which hasn't happened a lot since the end of 2010.

Edited September 14, 2014 by Nosaj Thing

[maynard]

So guys just came back from the golden gods award and Axl only played ONE song from his only album not featuring Slash. I know it's not a normal gig but I'll talk about it like it is one. So I'll just assume Axl only plays one CD song in every concert.

[ShadowOfTheWave]

So guys just came back from the golden gods award and Axl only played ONE song from his only album not featuring Slash. I know it's not a normal gig but I'll talk about it like it is one. So I'll just assume Axl only plays one CD song in every concert.

Axl played two CD tracks at the Golden Gods.

[Iron MikeyJ]

Well my thread succeeded in giving us something to talk about, so there.