PatrickS77

50 minutes ago, Derick said:

I agree! WE DON´T KNOW exactly how and what happened. We are guessing, just as those who say that Duff and Slash fucked him over.

I particularly don´t think it has to do with money, at least not the main reason. I continue with the idea that Izzy didn´t want to be part of this tour and uses this money talk as a pretext, as a excuse to not be there. 

Geez. He left a tour before. And he joined a tour in 2006. If he doesn't want to be part of this, why would he lie and tell everyone that they wouldn't give him enough money?? Wouldn't he have to fear that they would speak out and reveal his lie and also destroy any chance of him at least making guest appearances? It would be the easiest for him to simply say, that he doesn't want to commit to a 2 year tour and be done with it. Your scenario doesn't make sense at all. Especially since, up to that point, he was getting along with Duff for sure and most likely with Slash and Axl too.

15 minutes ago, default_ said:

I'm I the only one who dont believe Izzy and Steven are out because of money? lol

Nah. You're not. They are out beccause Axl, Slash and Duff, for some reason, don't want them. If they wanted them, they would and could make it work.

12 minutes ago, Lio said:

He sold it, the other ones didn't.

It's not about caring for Izzy or not, that's not the point. I'm merely talking about the fact Izzy sold his share, the rest didn't. So it's only logical he wouldn't get an equal share. Whether he got an honest and fair offer or not, I don't know.

No. It's not logical. The only thing that is logical is that he doesn't have any leverage and is at the mercy of what Axl, Slash and Duff are willing to give to him.

5 hours ago, Derick said:

Pretty much this! And Izzy sold his share at a time when the band was at the top and probably received a very very good money for it. Then, according to his statement on Twitter, to take part in the current tour he demands to receive the same as Axl, Slash and Duff...Seriously, that´s doesn´t sounds good..If we do the math Izzy´s idea of "split the loot equally" is not that equally, at all. 

Again. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHETHER KEEPING HIS SHARES WAS EVEN AN OPTION. Sometimes after Izzy left that partnership agreement got renewed. After that apparently it was possible. We do not know whether a member could leave and keep his shares before that. And really, with giving up his shares and giving the remaining members full control and full profits, he did them a favour. It's pathetic that some "fans" hold that against him now. After Slash and Duff left, Axl formed a new GNR entity for him to work witout outside interference.

6 hours ago, Modano09 said:

"Low ball" offer because they already paid him when he sold his percentage of the band. I get wanting him there but it's not their fault he wanted to sell his percentage in the band and then years later be paid like he didn't.

They were lucky that he sold his share. Imagine moving forward with an ex-member, who still has a stake in the band and could veto everything they decide. That shouldn't be held against him. And there is still the possibilty that upon leaving, he was required to sell his share.

1 hour ago, jacdaniel said:

Axl, Slash, Duff: Criticized for doing what some consider to be a cash grab tour. Playing all over the world for almost 4 hours a night when 2 hours would suffice. 

Izzy: So cool, only cares about the music...

Yet Axl had to pay him a huge fee to get him out in 2006. And now he wanted an equal share of the loot, despite not lifting a finger since the early nineties. 

 

Maybe Izzy is the one focused on the wrong things? I mean, can anybody actually see him playing a 2 year world tour at 4 hours a night?  Based on what evidence? 

 

Hmm. Yes, I was a bit disapointed too, when I heard that he was getting big money. But then again, why should he do it for free? Axl wasn't doing those shows for free either. And having Izzy there actually helped Axl to get some creditbility back, a la, "If Izzy approves, maybe it's not so bad to go watch Fake-GNR.".

Why would he not folllow through with the tour, if he commited to it? I'm sure he would have done the initially agreed upon number of shows. Whether he would want to be part of a neverending tour is anyone's guess, though.

As for what people think of Axl, Slash and Duff on one hand and Izzy on the other is kinda like the fans who are mad at Brian May and Roger Taylor, who are the one's that keep the Queen name alive, are out there doing tours and making fans happy, because they love what they do and on the other hand praise John Deacon, who sat on his ass since the past 20 years, living of the Queen royalties, which are still coming in because of May/Taylor keeping Queen going and the brand alive.

2 hours ago, vicson said:

You can close this thread. Meegan has just posted on her instagram a long message of how pround she is of Slash being in GN'R and of Axl, Duff and the rest of the guys. She also says that she is excited for the european tour next summer. 

That fucking thread could have been closed after the very first post, as it never was a rumor to begin with.

I would be surprised if they wouldn't. They went to every market at least twice. I'm sure there will also be further Australian dates.

Seriously, you should rename this fucking thread. This is not a rumour. Just a gibberish, feverish dream/theory of someone who wants to stir shit up. No one official insinuated to his return. Just someone. Drawing farfetched conclusion. Just like a conspiracy theory.

16 minutes ago, tbaugerud said:

If DJ is coming back, it is most likely because of new material. He is good at the studio bit. Obviously they dont need him to play concerts, so I guess this rumour is actually a bit intriguing. 👍

They also don't need him for the studio. Nothing that dude could do has anything to do with GNR.

2 hours ago, ludurigan said:

that was merely a press thing that got repeated by the press a zillion times

i think it would be truly hard to find a person who actually said those words out loud

 

- hey John, do you like Guns n Roses?

- yes I do Mark! They are the most dangerous band in the world!

 

these kind of sentences are not used in real life/normal conversations, are they?

It gets thrown around on this very board all the time.

21 minutes ago, EvanG said:

That Presley wedding was all marketing, to show the world how 'normal' and straight he was. I'm not denying that the title and statue aren't marketing tools, but I can't imagine him not having an ego if you really do those things. But like I said, there's nothing wrong with it, it doesn't make him a bad person. Although he probably wanted to be bad.

According to Lisa Marie, even long after the fact, it was real. But there is no changing people's mind. People believe whatever the hell they want to believe.

Michael certainly knew his worth as a pop star, but that doesn't make him a big ego guy.

Seriously. Did anyone who has attended the 2016/17 shows ever thought: "I think they need a third guitarist."?

Ashba is not replacing Slash and having a third guitarist is as useful as having a fridge in Antarctica. This whole thread is BS/wishful thinking of some strange FakeGNR fans.

12 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Come on... if you call yourself the King of Pop and create such a giant statue of yourself you seriously don't think there's a big ego behind it? I'm not judging it, I don't care, but there's no harm in calling it what it is.

Nah. There is big PR behind. A guy that has been publicly humiliated and his career threatened was fighting back to reclaim his position and get people to talk.

He even went as far as giving interviews at album launch. 

9 hours ago, EvanG said:

I think all those titles are silly to be honest... 

As is fans proudly proclaiming that GnR is (or was) the most dangerous band in the world.  

6 hours ago, EvanG said:

Those anecdotes can be found on many websites. I'm not saying it's true, perhaps PatrickS77 is right. I just wouldn't put it past him... look at that History statue. His ego was big enough for those kind of shenanigans.

Even if what that exec says is true, that happened 3 years after fans showed up with banners at the Bad tour that said King of pop.

HIStory had nothing to do with ego. It was his big comeback after the biggest scandal and crisis in his life. One that could potentially have ended him (well, in a way you could say it eventually did... certainly altered the course of his life). And with an album called HIStory what better promotional tool this there to use statues? At the end of the day, it's just PR. A way to get people to talk about him.

3 hours ago, EvanG said:

Except he gave himself that title, that is what's so silly about it. That is also why Howard Stern started calling himself the King of All Media, just to make fun of MJ.

No he did not. It was fans who came up with that during the Bad tour. Then Elizabeth Taylor took that up on one of the award shows. And then on the Dangerous tour it got used on the tour merchandise. And really, whether you like him or not, there is no question that he is the King of Pop. There is no alternative. And really, no oe gives a damn about Elvis being the King or Bruce with being the boss, but Michael being the king of pop is a problem? Fuck that. They don't even have a problem with Madonna being the queen of pop.

3 hours ago, dalsh327 said:

Kate Bush could easily sell Wembley Stadium out, but she'd never play a venue that big.

Yes. Because unlike some deluded people she knows she would never get 80,000 people to see 1 concert of hers at the same time.

12 hours ago, EvanG said:

He is definitely legendary, and he was a brilliant artist, but if you start calling your own brother ''the King of Pop'' then something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

It was a press statement, adressed to the world, confirming his death.

On 24.12.2017 at 11:53 PM, Sunset Boulevard said:

Americans will never understand how fucking HUGE Oasis were in Europe in the 90’s : They sold more records than Mickael Jackson here! 

 

 

And also that is BS. They were huge in hype. In the early to mid 90's spilled over from the UK through MTV, which was still broadcast from London, but to say they were huge in all of Europe is a gross overstatement. Also to say that they outsold Michael. The majority of their success was in the UK.

On 24.12.2017 at 5:43 PM, DieselDaisy said:

If Noel (or Liam for that matter) wanted to ever play in stadia again, all he has to do is reunite and he'd be immediately back at Wembley or the Olympic Stadium again. That tour would be infinitely bigger than Guns N' Roses. I am taking him at his word then when he states he is content with smaller venues. 

BS. Outside the UK nobody gives a shit about them and the stadiums they could play on their own are sparse to non existant.

On 22.12.2017 at 7:04 PM, EvanG said:

I remember when Michael died and he made the announcement as ''my brother, the legendary king of pop....''.

I mean, seriously?

Well. He is the King of Pop and he is legendary. So he was not lying.

On 5.12.2017 at 7:22 PM, jacdaniel said:

It's funny how we use quotes from 20 years ago to gain insight into a friendship/relationship. 

Just recently I was quite upset with a good friend and had some bad thoughts in my head, even said some negative things. 

Then we met up and everything was fine in no time. 

I believe the Axl slash issues probably just got blown out of proportion from media and people with agendas. 

Actually it was Axl, who blew the issue out of proportion. Remember the cancer comment, 12 years after he had last seen Slash. Had he just talked to Slash earlier.

4 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

And Melissa, Richard Fortus, Frank are so much 'GNR'?

Where did I say that?? But what we have now is more GNR than we had in 20 years.

On 4.12.2017 at 4:38 AM, PsychoKiss344 said:

This tour is becoming so stale.

They really need to switch things up or do the smart thing and release some new music.

The way they've been treating this L.A. show as the end of an 18 month tour, who knows, maybe a change is coming?