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10 minutes ago, Spirit said:

You are most likely right about the fact that not everyone gets starstruck, but some probably do. Then it seems to me Live Nation runs a tight ship and doesn't want to leave any possibilities of annoyance of their artists. Some of their measures seem like overkill, but from their point of view it's probably better to make sure 100% instead of risking any trouble.

Yeah. Also you have to look at it from the point of the artist. It's not just one day. They are doing this day in, day out. They travel around the world in a fishbowl. The backstage area is a somewhat of a sanctuary. And yet they would have strangers go in and out wherever they are. Some discreet, some annoying. I'm sure most artists are not really bothered by that or have gotten used to it over the years, but some clearly are, especially right before a show and in an effort to make them feel more comfortable, strangers crossing their way are limited by "good-meaning" people.

10 minutes ago, EvanG said:

 

I know, a lot of kids at my college used to worked at some of the bigger European festivals near me, and I don't know about the person who wrote this but he mentioned working for the Foo Fighters as a roadie so I'm sure he's done this kind of work before. But still... my point is that not everyone gets starstruck or would even care about seeing a ''rockstar''.

Yes. Not everyone, but some do and obviously the ones organizing these shows or making these rules do not know who is who, so they forbid it for everyone. And obviously the guy, who wrote this article, is no professional roadie/stagehand either or he would have known better than to snap pics of arriving stars, asking for picks and taking pics of the band performing. He's a journalist. I think it's a huge no go to be working backstage and taking pics of the stars without asking their permission. And to ask in that situation I would feel embarrassed.

40 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Yes, because everyone, especially professional roadies who are used to working for famous bands, will be starstruck by anyone famous, huh?

I agree, though, that these ''demands'' might not come from the band.

You know. Many times there are teenagers employed. Students. Young adults. People, who want to do extra work on the side. At least that was the case with us. The professional ones are the ones travelling with the bands, that's why they are called roadies. And then there are the local stagehands, which usually are all kinds of people, with only a percentage being professionals. Including some, who might just find it awesome to work at rock shows, make some money, see stars backstage and get to go to a free show. People, who might get starstruck.

3 hours ago, Tori72 said:

This is the 2nd time I read that people were not supposed to look at Axl Rose (or the GnR guys) or not even be there / hide behind boxes (!!! ) while they’re passing. What stupid shit is that? Can anyone explain please?

Hmm. Well. People are there to work. Not to be starstruck little fangirls and boys. So I guess it just makes it easier for everyone to make roadies leave when the band is around. And yes, mostly management or local promoters will issue these demands, not nessesarily the members of the band. Even though these days I guess it would be annoying when even when your backstage everybody pulls out a phone when you walk by to snap a picture. Back when I used to work as a stagehand things were much more relaxed and no one really had a camera.

5 hours ago, mikeman5150 said:

 I’ve never entertained the idea of going out and performing my craft for free. Why would I expect a band or anyone else to? 

I'm not sure that anybody is demanding or expecting them to go out for free. It's just that there was a long period of time when they were glad that people were willing to pay 100 $ for good seats at a GNR show. Those people kept them afloat and in business. To see that those seats are now sold for 300+ $ is the annoying and cash grab part.

4 hours ago, RazorGunner said:

Izzy, unlike the other 3- sold his share when he quit. 

Geez. The broken record again. It's been boring since quite some time now.

8 hours ago, killuridols said:

But Goldstein was never a professional manager to begin with!

If you would tell him that he would kill you, no? He was a professional unprofessional manager. And a first class ass kisser. Not sure if that makes him more or less a manager in the strictest sense.

5 minutes ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

@janrichmond thanks for putting that letter....I have no words...

Axl really has bad taste in people that manage his career....

Yeah. It's no wonder he doesn't want any professional managers anymore.

13 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, these theories are plausible.

I just find it weird - even for Axl's standards - to say with such emphasis "this doesn't have anything to do with MJ" in his VMA speech.

@Tori72

They were receiving the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award. So it made sense. I thought Axl was an ass for saying that though. Michael is the king of videos.

3 hours ago, scooby845 said:

Wow. Is Kate Hudson as hot in person? What did you talk about with her and Jim Carrey? What restaurant?

Wait, you flew in  from Austria just so you could taste the odds of getting in? 

I'm really interested! 

Smalltalk nothing special. Hmm. Well. She's nice. There is a restaurant/bar right next to the Troubadour. Some hung out there, before they went to the show.

I obviously went to the states for the LV shows, not to stand outside a fucking venue to watch others go in. We were in San Francisco when we heard about it and took our chances and drove down. One of us did get in. Unfortunately the one who wasn't really a fan and basically just tagged along.

7 hours ago, scooby845 said:

Wow. You really saw Emily Ratajkowski! Would have loved to have been in your position... 

Yeah. And talked to Kate Hudson and Jim Carry and literally rubbed shoulders with Nic Cage, when entering the resraurant next door, as it was so crowded and he stood right by the door, when we walked in.  But really. Being in my position sucked ass. Getting there in time, being from Austria, but not getting into the show was excruciating.

8 minutes ago, scooby845 said:

You were at the Troubadour show for real? 

I was outside the Troubadour show.

42 minutes ago, mikeman5150 said:

I remember being so excited for this but also kinda pissed that I spent a fortune I didn’t have to go to Vegas, expecting it to be the first show with Axl n Slash. Still great times, but I feel the Vegas crowd felt cheated because we then got Axl sitting in a chair instead of his normal badass self

Yeah. And the fact that they until this day didn't make this show available only adds insult to the injury.

4 hours ago, IncitingChaos said:

I remember watching that horrible stream from outside the venue haha 

Ah yes. I remember standing outside that fucking venue. One of the worst experiences ever. A night to forget. Despite rubbing shoulders with Nic Cage, Jim Carrey, Kate Hudson and Emily Ratajkowski.

31 minutes ago, tremolo said:

I guess GNR management is just a made up position then, since Axl won’t allow real management.

Yes. I guess so too.

1 hour ago, tremolo said:

The problem there has always been Axl, despite who has been managing the whole circus.

TB has a pretty well developed trajectory of wasted oportunities.

With your first point I agree, but quite strongly disagree with the second.  Why blame them, when in all likelyhood it is Axl who's calling the shots?

51 minutes ago, Propaganda said:

You just answered your own question and agreed with my post. They're glorified assistants - they're given way too much credit! And they do what Axl wants them to do, which means that they don't establish deadlines for Axl to work under, they don't put any kind of pressure on him and they are unable to classify properly any music that Axl does.

A) i don't think I've posed a question and B) I don't quite agree with you. You (and others) blame them for things supposedly going wrong/not happening e.g. not going the way you want them to go, because they botch them up, since they are no professional managers and things would go better if they would leave and let real managers do their job and that they arenonly there because Axl threw them a bone/did them a favour. I say they are there, because Axl doesn't want a real manager, but wants somebody doing what he says instead. And that is the reason why things go the way they go, because Axl is the boss and no one is there telling him to do things he doesn't want to do. You can't blame or hate on TB when they don't have any free reign and have to deal with and respect the wishes of Axl, who is their boss/provider/lifeline/whatever.

5 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

I hope Axl sees how good the AC/DC management is and says "eh... Mr. AC/DC manager... would you... would you mind managing me and my band? all I have now is a Brazilian family... and gee they're a real nice bunch, but they don't know much about band management. Help me AC/DC manager, you're my only hope" ...or something to that affect. I mean he's gonna be able to see the inner workings of that band now, and how quickly they can move... and how that is facilitated by heavy hitting management, management that manage to keep a tight ship, book huge successful tours, no leaked material in 40+ yrs under their watch or behind the scenes drama... well right up until Phil and his dirty deeds and Brian getting the boot due to his ears. 

BUT I can't see Axl booting young Fernando off his big promotion... that whole loyalty thing. 

But it's not what you hope and want. You act like Axl never had a manager before. It's those experiences that made him realize that TB is what he wants/needs. And really managing AC/DC was easy. As they didn't have Axl Rose in the band.

1 hour ago, Propaganda said:

TB are given way too much credit. Professionally they added nothing to GNR. They got Axl to release an album in what 15 years ?!? They've been unable to get Axl to release more albums, they've been unable to negotiate it with the label and get the right deal for Axl to feel motivated to release a cd. The reunion was a miracle and the best thing that could happen to any of them right now. Even though we knew that Slash and Duff we're always very keen to return, even when they were in Velvet Revolver.

Bottom line is Fernando has never worked in the music business before GNR. He doesn't have the experience or the knowledge. Neither does Beta. Both of them were just people who ran some errands in the past.

On the other hand I think that's Axl's way of saying thank you to them, for all the years they have been Family to him. He let's them get involved and learn the music business and actually have a life in it.

TB owes their life to Axl as much as Axl probably owes a big chunk of his life to them because they helped him out emotionally, but as far as getting things done, and getting Axl on the right terms to work on things and release records and having a music relationship, they're very far away of where they need to be.

Don't wan to offend anyone but that is my opinion.

Maybe.  But they are also getting way too much hate. In all likelyhood (we don't really know what their deal is) they are nothing more than gloryfied assistants, who do exactly what Axl wants them to do/ do what they think Axl wants them to do (and that also includes turning away people they think will upset him). Axl had real managers for 20 years and after '93 things went the way they went. So really, to blame TB for the lack of album releases is ridiculous, when the real reason for that is Axl. Things didn't get worse when they did take over either. It has always being chaotic with Axl sabotaging everything feeling management was working against him and for their own agendas which weren't his.  The bottom line is, that he feels comfortable with TB. There is no telling how things would be if he had real managers again. A manager has to work with the artist and if they are not on the same page it's a disaster either way.

1 hour ago, tremolo said:

The problem is that TB never was a team of people in the business. They were not managers, and despite having the title, I don’t consider managers.

Their loyalty is with Axl. Not with the band, not with the fans, not with the art. They are probably the people closest to Axl, and I think they have a relationship built on love and trust. But as nice as that might be, that doesn’t make a good manager.

The manager must have the power to actually MANAGE the band in so many areas: creative output, studio work, promotion, connections, media, online presence, relationship with fans, etc. and make the most out of every given oportunity. And that includes inevitably pissing someone off at some point. A manager cannot be a yes-man, it just doesn’t work.

The management of GNR has been a disaster. So many wasted oportunities! Even if we forget everything before 2016 and focus exclusively on NITL, it’s been way less than it could have been.

Axl is resting on his laurels, and management seems ok with that, which only makes sense when you consider TB are closer to being Axl’s closest people than to being GNR’s management.

 

They don’t have it in them, just in the same way that not everybody is cut out to be a lawyer, a salesman, or an artist. Put TB to manage any other band the size of GNR and they would be out of a job in a matter of months.

Axl used to have real managers, for years. It didn't work. He didn't trust them. They had their own agendas and tried to make him do things he didn't want to do. Now he has the closest people he has in his life doing what he wants them to do. It works for him. Your opinion of what a manager should do, is of no consequence and a moot point really, as that clearly is what Axl had, but doesn't want anymore.

1 hour ago, Carmenjello said:

I know lots of people, who are into rock, who dont even know they’re coming. Why? No promotion whatsoever. No coverage, no nothing. 

Yes. But that would be the promoters job. Not TB. And if Axl and co. couldn't be arsed to do any interviews, they're shit out of luck.

1 hour ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

I think the primary issue with TB is they let Axl have full control and tip toe around him and do what he says very carefully.

No new music, radio silence, etc

Excatly. I don't get why anyone would think that they have any real power or say to do and change things. Also not sure what really could be done differently and exciting without any real input by Axl, Slash and Duff.

34 minutes ago, EricA said:

Are we discussing THIS comment???

...if yes, i can't see how it's related to GnR so what are we talking about?

Yeah. Apparently people are stupid. He posted a pic with his kid and soon to be wife and some desperate GNR fans think it's all about GNR and then they are upset if it turns out to be an average GNR year. Kinda comical, if it wouldn't be that sad.

9 minutes ago, EvanG said:

But U2 fans will call them a band that comes along once a generation, and that goes for every other band that one calls a favourite band. You're just unlucky that your favourite band happens to be one that has released so little music.

Agree with that. Seriously, this 10 likes limit is so annoying.

17 minutes ago, Gibson_Guy87 said:

Someone's angry today 

Nah. Just pointing out the obvious.

16 minutes ago, bucketfoot said:

My point is that a band like GN'R/Axl comes along probably once a generation if we're lucky and it's as much about what goes on around them as the music itself that keeps us so engrossed, it's like a soap opera. U2, yeah they've had a few decent songs/albums but overall are just pretty dull. GN'R have an excitement and intrigue that the likes of U2 will never have.

Don't agree with that at all. Several ground breaking tours in the past 25 years is way more exciting than what GNR did.