Free Bird

3 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

I love Rod, his voice is incredible and soulful. Perfectly suits Slash's blues influenced style. The only thing I don't like was his tendency to yell some lines during live performances.

But I also love Eric's voice as well. They're totally different animals, it's like asking whether Pizza is better than Ice Cream.

Dear god, is Slash deaf? Clink also praised his guide vocals for the album demos. I can only hope he's taken a lot of singing lessons since 1997.

I had to revisit Teddy’s Shotgun Shack and his vocals in a studio session aren’t as bad  compared to the rough live recordings of Blues Ball

1 hour ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

He already said that in the magazine article Blackstar posted in the thread earlier

Oh, I missed that!

I was gonna say, if you’re listening between the lines this blues record is a one off thing but then at the end of this interview with Ola he mentioned that he might do another one with original material. That would be huge. What I dislike is that Teddy’s also singing on this tour. Slash even considered him as the lead singer for the whole blues record until he fortunately came up with the idea of using different singers again. 

1 hour ago, El Guapo said:

I saw that version of Beggars Eric and Slash did on the Howard Stern show, it sounded like he was about to die singing it, they even commented on it after they were done

i think that's the main reason a lot of people didn't enjoy his approach that much.

He’s really into it and I think his voice is more natural than Rods. That said, I appreciate Jackson as well. I just prefer the first Snakepit. 
 

2 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

Eric pulled off some incredible performances in those acoustic jams...

 

Never understood why people preferred Rod Jackson

2 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

I didn't like Perhaps when it leaked but the final version completely changed my opinion on it. I'm "meh" on Atlas Shrugged right now, but it could be good in its final form. State of Grace though... god no. Sounds like one of those videos mocking Axl's mickey voice and wavering pitch.

Possible but iirc it wasn’t only the instrumental that I didn’t like but even Axl. From what I heard Oklahoma impressed me the most even if it had no lyrics. Agree on Perhaps, it’s a cool little song, only missing a great solo.

No Boxsets left. They already released everything that made them to legends. Like @Gordon Comstock said, maybe another 40 or 50 anniversary boxsets of AFD or UYI, with more live shows of that era.

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

Your argument is based on the premise that laziness is somehow a chosen personality trait whereas debilitating insecurity and polar disorder isn't, and hence being lazy is in a sense a worse criticism because it is more of a lifestyle choice whereas people suffering stuff like crippling insecurity are more innocent victims of their genes and upbringing and hence except from criticism . I sincerely disagree with the notion that laziness is just a lifestyle choice and is by default easier to overcome than other mental issues, and I have the science on my side. Sure, a lazy person can choose to work harder, but a person suffering from debilitating insecurity can choose to fight through it, too. These things are not as different and separate as you make it seem.

But more importantly, I am not criticising Axl for not getting more work done. I am providing a descriptive explanation for why he gets little done. I am not arguing, "He should just step out of his depressions and get shit done" or "He should just care less about his art and get shit done." I am not saying that at all. It is the people who use the lazy argument who argue as if he is to blame for the poor output and criticize him for it. I accept that he is not productive and then I provide a descriptive explanation for why that is the case without judgment. 

Still, my purely descriptive explanation of the reasons why Axl behaves the way he does is more brutal and damning than simplifying it to him just being lazy, because suffering from crippling insecurity and polar disorder is more of an inconvenience in someone's life (and 'inconvenience' is an understatement considering how Axl's mental issues have affected his life negatively), and pointing to someone being "nuts" is usually more of a negative description than someone just being "lazy".

I think this is all pretty obvious and trivial. What is happening here are people not handling very well having their simpleminded arguments challenged so instead of accepting that their opinions are being attacked and actually look into my argument and consider revising their opinion, they deflect it to just Axl being defended, because that's how weird fans' minds works. As if I care one iota about defending Axl against accusations of laziness on a fan forum  Let me put it this way, I care infinitely more about rationality and logic than about Axl or anyone else in GN'R, past or present. It just so happens that among those who whine and complain about Axl and GN'R there is a lot of nonsensical opinions and arguments and they are typically not smart enough to deal with counter-arguments or criticism stoically or gracefully but file the criticism away as someone defending Axl or the band.

 

Tltr… I’m not wasting my time with that bullshit. I’m to lazy and we’ve got a public holiday 

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

No, that's not why I am here. But that aside, how was I defending Axl? How is pointing out that Axl's low productivity is likely caused by other mental quirks than laziness, like debilitating insecurity and polar disorder, a defense of Axl?

Laziness is trait of character while the others are mental issues. You can’t (or you shouldn’t) criticise somebody for mental illness.

2 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Nah, he posts mostly out of rationality compared to many here who post out of emotion because the band (or Axl) doesn't do what they want them to do. There's a difference. I've seen him criticize Axl too, he just doesn't dwell on it constantly like so many here. So what you say is not true.

Maybe I’m wrong but that’s the feeling I get.

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

How is it defending Axl to point out that his lack of productivity is better explained by pointing to other mental quirks than laziness, like debilitating insecurity and polar disorder?  

It is not "overanalyzing" to take everything we know into consideration and providing a nuanced and more fitting explanation than oversimplifying because the alternative is too challenging. The latter is for simpletons who can't deal with the complexity of human nature.

 

Because it’s what you mainly do. You’re here to defend Axl in every capacity possible. The problem is not what you know but what you don’t know. He may be diagnosed bi polar but you simply don’t know if he’s taking medication or is doing anything against it. There’s a lot of things you can do to help yourself when you’re suffering from a disease. With the right medication you don’t have the problems like without but that’s something you ignore because that doesn’t fit your agenda. 

6 hours ago, megaguns1982 said:

Pretty interesting. I doubt the leaks influenced anything to do with what was officially released. What did we get?  Hardskool and absurd.

If they were more focused on releasing stuff that leaked we would have official versions of atlas shrugged or state of grace, not the general and monsters.

I’m glad they released Hardskool and Abdurd over Atlas Shrugged. Can’t remember State Of Grace but I think I didn’t like it neither. If they’ve selected like 6 singles, they don’t have to go with the best first. I’m pretty confident we’ll get Monsters, maybe even later this year, in combination with another song (hopefully not Atlas).

6 hours ago, Blackstar said:

 Damn a fucking acoustic set in limited conditions. I don’t expect it to be that raw like what @StrangerInThisTown posted but fuck! Everyone in Hollywood going is a lucky bastard. 

9 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Because his behavior is better explained by pointing to his insecurities, long periods of depressions, manic periods, and a possible belief that rehearsals do more bad than good. Furthermore, there is nothing lazy about doing 3 hour shows when a lot less would be enough, and stepping in for AC/DC, especially considering Axl's stage fright. And finally, if he was truly lazy and that was a distinct part of his personality which shaped his behavior, that would have been pointed out by people around him, especially when people were attacking him in the media. He has been called all kinds of things, but as far as I can recall, never lazy by anyone he has feuded with. On the contrary, people - including Dizzy, Bumblefoot, Dj, Angus Young and Alan Niven - have made a point about telling about how hard he works.

To me it is clear that people who simplify this to Axl being "lazy" are themselves being intellectual lazy. They are either unable or unwilling to accept a much more complex explanation for what they observe. Which is human nature - we simply things so we don't have to deal with complexities that are beyond us, it's a coping mechanism for simpletons to navigate in a world that is too complex.

I am the laziest guy I know and still go to work every day, always on time. That’s no evidence. Axl being three ours+ on stage or we working months on selected peaces of music doesn’t mean that he’s not lazy.

Of course we don’t know him and do not know the true reasons why he decides to release music that seldom. I have no idea if he’s writing a shit load of new music, books or film scores in Malibu. But as long as he doesn’t release shit it’s totally ok to go with the obvious. No need to overanalyse things when someone calling Axl lazy when talking about to releasing music. It’s rather strange to tele diagnosis his mental health without knowing at what stage it is or what medication he’s taking. You just don’t know that shit but stubbornly defending Axl like you always do. It’s Axl, so you seemingly have to 😂

I mean, there’re still people out there who consider GNR a One Album Wonder. Somebody might say this is their opinion but to me they’re simply wrong. You can’t be a that if you have the UYI LPs in your discography.

1 hour ago, 2020_Intensions said:

My point is, the way these songs are talked about on this forum, some say they're leagues better than ANYTHING on ChiDem .. Utter lunacy, imo. So I'm trying to make a point, if these songs are so amazing, and many credit Slash being on them for the reason why, then how come they get ZERO radio play. When songs like Lost, which funny enough, is very similar, being a 20+ year old song, still gets regular airplay, and the singer is dead! Ozzy's new album stuff still gets played regularly, and he doesn't even tour! 

That’s a very butt hurt post if yours 😂

But it’s easy to answer. You can be fucking cholera and still be better than half of CD. That’s why.

He’s the epitome of laziness when it comes to releasing music. 

3 hours ago, Karice said:

Are you sure you're not confusing Axl with someone else? 😵‍💫🤨💡🤔 I can't see Axl not showing up to rehearsals. 😵‍💫

9 hours ago, AxlRQ93 said:

think it means to work at something until you achieve the desired goal & it was directed at slash. It goes in line w Axl’s later comments saying slash didn’t wanna “work that hard” hes basically saying that thx to slash being lazy and unwilling to work here we are

That’s ridiculous 😂😂

Axl’s saying to Slash he’s lazy and doesn’t work that hard. Axl saying that to Slash 😂😂😂

Axl: “Hey Slash, we both know there’s no new music because you’re lazy and unwilling to work”

Please don’t tell me you believe this shit yourself, do you? 

I think every “new album” announcement by any GNR member at any point now is completely laughable until it isn’t. It’s always the right timing for being sceptical regardless who’s saying the album’s might coming.

2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

“Beth Hart delivers a huge emotional payload on her version of Stormy Monday, the track that boasts perhaps the best blues guitar playing by Slash on the entire album”

Damn, can’t wait to listen to this. It was already one of the songs I was the most interested in but comments like this don’t make it easier to wait…

But it seems like a damn long time 😩

2 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

Only problem is that there's no edit after maybe rethinking what you said. With a book there's a lot more room to maneuver. Also with the book he'd likely end up doing some long form interviews to promote it... So kinda best of both worlds.

I agree though, I want to hear someone like Eddie trunk, strombo, Q tv interview him. I'd also like to hear Rogan or Stern have him on too, but I don't think they'd ask the detailed questions the others might. Any long interview would be amazing though, get beyond "are you excited about the gig today night, anything to day to your SA audience".

I think last the last thing you should do is give Axl time to rethink or “room to manoeuvre” if you want him something to release 😅