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8 hours ago, jacdaniel said:

Great show tonight. Nothing new really, played Don’t Damn Me. 

Slash great too?

8 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

Well charting in itself is a hit but I was also kind of joking... But not joking. It is a fact that when you get into the top ten even if it's not in the great old USA it's counted as a hit... At least since the beginning of modern music history. I mean we can say the goal posts have moved now, but this was what it was.

Not a song that was on regular circulation like Taylor swift or dua lipa but it was popular enough to get onto playlists and that means it was at least a lower level hit. Nonetheless a hit is a hit.

Well, congratulations. If that’s the definition of hit, then it’s even worse that Axl had only one single hit in the past 30 years… doesn’t affect the idea of my initial post.

2 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

Well after some digging it appears you are dead wrong😄 The song Chinese democracy actually performed on mmfew worldwide charts No 5 on American main stream rock chart. Top 10 song in Canada, top 30 in the UK. Finland, Norway, Sweden etc. were all top 10 too. And there's more countries if you care to scour through that info.

There was no megahit and today almost nobody remembers...but nonetheless a hit is a hit. I rest my case.

A single appearing in the charts doesn’t make it a hit really. If it’s billboard charts maybe but nothing niche-like… and even when… Axl Rose the hit single monster had one „hit“ in the last 30 years? Lmfao

but honestly, I know you’re just joking😄

you are joking, right?

6 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

I really don't think Axl was making Chinese with hit songs at the forefront of his mind, and I can't imagine he thought songs like Absurd in 2022 were going to challenge Taylor swift etc. 

songs like better with the right video and label support were hit songs in waiting. Definitely for rock radio, not sure if they made it to radio playlists or how they did though somebody else has those stats

Facts are always going to win against opinions

It really doesn’t matter why, but there is no hit song. Period.

1 hour ago, jacdaniel said:

I’ll be there tomorrow. Will let you all know if anything new is played. 

Wonder if they’ll do Perfect Crime 

Have fun!

15 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Who wouldn't want to see Guns with Bucket at a small venue? That would be an amazing, unforgettable experience! 

Me

1 hour ago, lunastar said:

90% of the success of a song is the song itself, not the style of the hat and the curls underneath. GNR won't die without Slash if Axl records a smash hit with another guitarist. 

Which of course he is known for in the last 30 years. Many many hit songs, written and recorded by Axl were released in this period of time. Sure 😂

1 hour ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

@allwaystiredis right...if Slash Is gone again, GNR Is dead, no matter if Axl brings a new group of freaks, like those of 2002. For the 99.999% of the planet, GNR Is Axl AND Slash....Duff Is just an appendix.

Is my hope that Slash has enough leverage that can ask for New music if they want to tour again...

He might be right with that, but saying Slash is just an employee is simply and factually wrong.

8 hours ago, JimiRose said:

Perhaps was well thought out lyrically for the first verse. the problem is they just repeated it and that seemed lazy. 

 

I agree. He's obviously the most important member of the band and when it comes to touring I don't think GnR survive if slash says he's out. However, when it comes to any actual decisions, such as songwriting, song releasing, band promotion and what the band can and can't say, he is clearly just as important as a stage tech. Axl decides and dictates all of that. Slash knows his importance is to the live show and the band image, and that is where he is making 99.99% of his cash from being in GnR, so he doesn't really care about the other stuff. Axl obviously really does care about the other stuff (well 'care' perhaps isn't the word) so he is in control of that. Hence we get regular touring and irregular releases. Slash has all the power when it comes to £££ for touring. And he has absolutely zero when it comes to new music. 

Even the new songs with slash on, no one has really given a shit. The argument could be that is because it wasn't in support of an album, and it came too late, no marketing campaign and had the wrong lead single etc even half of the people here say they'd prefer the versions with bucket and finck. So Slash knows where he matters and he knows where he doesnt. I imagine Axl probably does too

You don’t really believe Axl told Slash what to play on those leftovers. Duff and Slash erased all existing bass and guitar tracks and contributed their own parts on songs that most likely wouldn’t have been released by now, if it weren’t for those two. Slash can’t force Axl to go into a studio or write new material but I really think they’re way more involved in every other process and in decision making than a lot of people here might think

1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

What this article is referring to, though, are arrangements that are for the benefit of the partner (certain additional benefits a partner has from having the employee status, like compensation etc.). Doesn't have to do with the partner having less rights.

And furthermore it doesn’t mean GNR is led that way just because examples like this exists. We have no information on how the big three are running this brand at the moment.

1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

In what way are people doing that on here? I'm confused. 

GNR is a business that has three partners, as documented. They're not equal partners. 

Isn't this what people are discussing or am I missing something here? 

We know they are three partners. Unlike you I don’t pretend to know the details. When reading your posts, I get the impression Duff and Slash are employees like Fortus, just better paid. I don’t believe that for a second.

Great 🤣

ignoring facts and official documents just to cement their opinions 😬

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

No, of course not. I think he was being entirely honest in the chat.

If we are to trust Axl, then Slash has lied or at least exaggerated Axl's desire to broaden out the music of GN'R after the 1990 touring when he (Axl) really wanted or agreed to make an album more in the vein of classical rock, but Slash sabotaged this; and when Slash had left GN'R, Axl wouldn't be able to make such a record because he didn't have the players for it any more, so that steered the music more in the direction of what would eventually be Chinese Democracy.

In my opinion, I think Axl was interested in keeping GN'R music fresh and exciting and not stagnating, but eventually agreed or decided to make a more traditional sounding record (either because of pushback from Slash or simply because he thought that the current lineup, with Slash, wouldn't be the right vehicle for that). That Slash then sabotaged this sounds crazy, but as I alluded to above, there is a possibility that Slash realized he would be better off by not helping to realize that record. In either case, Slash's focus was on Snakepit and as he admitted himself, he stopped coming to rehearsals. So the outcome was, regardless of whether this was Slash consciously trying to sabotage GN'R or just not being present and motivated, that things didn't move forward (also of course due to Axl's peculiarities). Then Slash left and Axl was more free to move GN'R in whatever musical direction he wanted, but also still limited by the musicians at hand. And those musicians came in with very different skills and interests, and also changed frequently. Looking at the Village leaks the music really is a schizophrenia of styles and genres, from very traditional sounding songs that could have fit on Appetite or UYI to much more experimental (both electronic but also avant garde guitar from Buckethead). 

I don’t know. I think they both had their issues with each other and probably interpreted the behaviour of the other completely wrong. They didn’t talk directly and built their minds on middlemen’s fair speaking, press and their own imagination. The success has outgrown them and it’s easy for young guys in their position to bluster over such topics.

35 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Boy, have I got news for you.

Thanks to @Blackstar we have details about Axl's counter lawsuit from 2006 where he really lashed out as Slash:

Axl's claim that Slash sabotaged three attempts at make a traditional record, is particularly interesting. It could be some truth to it, that Slash didn't want to proceed with an album because it would shift even more power to Axl through an agreement placed in escrow at the time. It is hard to say what actually happened, although Axl typically has a crystal sharp mind and good recollection he can re-interpret events in the light of new grievances and the quote above was from a lawsuit where one typically resorts to exaggerations and overstatements to win the favor for one's legal argument.

For more on this lawsuit: AUGUST 2005-MARCH 2006: SLASH, DUFF AND AXL'S LEGAL BATTLE, PART II

Thanks for that 😂😂

All there’s written is the typical Axl blah blah where everything is everybody’s fault but his. 
It doesn’t take away what he has written in the chats, does it?

4 hours ago, lunastar said:

In an interview in 95-96, he said that Slash prevented him from creatively realizing himself

Did he really say that? Later, I think on the chats here, Axl said Slash was the reason he couldn’t do a classic hard rock record because he left and there isn’t anybody else filling these shoes, something like this.

39 minutes ago, ChrisW said:

At this point, I totally believe what they've said, that before some concert, Axl refused to go on stage unless Slash and Duff signed paperwork giving him complete ownership.  Doesn't matter if they could sue, they'd have to want to sue to make a difference, and they were just willing to walk away.

"He (Slash) has been 'OFFICIALLY and LEGALLY' outside of the Guns N' Roses Partnership since December 31, 1995." (Axl, 10/30/96)

If Slash and Duff have their co-ownership status back, they can release a new Guns'n'Roses song any time they want.  If Axl's the only one who can approve that, he's in charge and they're just employees.

Of course they can. 
Confirmed: Next GNR record will be instrumentals only 😂

7 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Yeah I think he'd probably putting pressure on (same with Duff) but it doesn't seem to have much impact. 

My view on it is Slash is very much an employee, but one which the company knows is valuable and couldn't lose. Fortus is an employee too but more expendable. 

That's just the way it appears to me -it's the Axl brand and show all the way. 

They don’t promote the band that way, though and Slash said he never signed a contract (which would have made him an employee). 

43 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

I like Absurd. Liked it even more when it was Silkworms and more experimental. But to say it could replace a song on CD I think is ABSURD

For me it could easily replace 6 tracks on CD. Saying it couldn’t is ABSURD.

10 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

I was sending to my cousin who is a big Black Crowes fan so he could hear the clip of the Pusher.  He is also a fan of Slash and some other artists on the album so he is looking forward to it and going to the show.  In general, I have heard nothing but positive reactions to Killing Floor though.. Aside from one friend who thought Hardschool was pretty good, I haven't heard anything positive on the GnR relesases outside of this board. I really haven't heard much interest in those songs at all tbh..

I loved that Jam! hahah

It has its moments but it goes nowhere with the guitars to low in the mix iirc…  but I‘m pretty sure there will be some gems on the new one.

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

It is not a punk song as such but in my opinion it absolutely conveys a punish sentiment. Rarity I used because I couldn't find the right English word  I meant curiosa, but I don't know if that is an English word, either.

It’s a bit Prodigy -ish imo. I would describe it as electro punk, too. I think most CD fans who dislike Absurd, dislike it because of Axl‘s vocals and its repetitiveness. I don’t mind it. I dislike the main riff, which is pretty soulless imo, but Slash‘s leads are great and I still love the „Fuck You“ it meant to many fans 😅

2 hours ago, Rovim said:

that particular track he sang his ass off from the snippet, it's fun to finally hear it in a couple of months anyway

Yeah, that snippet sounds awesome.

Do you remember VR covering Pink Floyd‘s Money? That started awesome too but that jam afterwards was not that good imo. I really hope for great instrumental parts apart from the song performance itself.

2 hours ago, Rovim said:

one thing though, Chris Robinson still sounds like a powerhouse of bluesy singing and his voice sounds like a perfect fit for Slash. the roundness of the production with the punch from mike clink makes it sounds like a million dollars. and it's a cover. Slash does throw curve balls sometimes, I think The Pusher will sound brilliant.

It sounds very promising but I’m afraid of to high expectations. That often leads to a disappointment.

10 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

Anyone have a sharable link for that preview? I don't have twitter and want to send it to someone. 

Is it one of those guys you send the latest GNR releases, which he didn’t like?

What about this?