Lio

There are people in the comments asking who is Beta!!

To be honest, I wish I didn't know who she was. Really. Maybe that's their new business plan. GNR is on hiatus, so from here on out, we'll see home videos from the Lebeis family (if we're lucky, Axl might make a cameo) on GNR social media. Kardashians, watch out!

Just came back from the venue. I'm really really tired. I will review the show tomorrow during the day. It was the best show I have ever seen in my life. It shits on everything I have seen until now. Goddamn, Slash was absolutely killer.

Please give us your review, Nosaj

Without Axl there is definitely no GNR imo. I'm a bit on the fence if there is a 'real' GNR without Slash, but anyway. So any lineup without Axl wouldn't be credible to me.

That being said, when I saw Slash last year, I absolutely loved it and I enjoyed Myles' performance. I mean, not one second did I think: I'm watching GNR, but I really enjoyed the show. From clips I saw beforehand I had serious doubts about Myles. I often didn't like his voice and certainly not on GNR songs. I hated the thing he does with his right hand too. But then I saw him and it didn't bother me one bit. Granted, I was mostly focused on Slash, but Myles did a great job and he seemed to really enjoy performing, so I wouldn't call him a bad frontman at all, I don't find him boring either.

I think that's great. I suppose it's just the way Slash works and there are always songs I love on each of his albums. Besides, he's just recording some ideas on the road, which he has to work on after touring, so that could be a while. As long as I love at least a couple of songs on each album, I will never complain about him releasing too much.

I can see how you would if you never like any of his songs though, but for me, it works.

Nothing extraordinary, but DJ is doing a chat again with his fans.

I am looking forward to get something released with Axl, only time will tell;

Nothing else GNR related.

The guy is great with his fans.

Got mine a little before I turned 31. Figured if I still wanted one when I reached my 30s, it was something I'd be fine with the rest of my life.

Glad I got it, definitely no regrets.

Same here, although I got my first when I was 24, the second when I was 36. No regrets. But they're small and I can cover them up.

I love them and have to show a lot of restraint to not get more tattoos. I think it can be addictive to get tattooed.

This whole idea that Nirvana was bigger than GnR and Metallica bugs the shit out of me and shows how little people really remember and how badly they've bought into the media's creation of Kurt Cobain's persona and legend over the years. It's just people making shit up years later. Nirvana wasn't even as big as Pearl Jam during the period. Both Ten and Vs outsold both Nevermind and In Utero during the time. Vs at the time was the fastest selling album ever. It was Kurt's persona created by a media desperate to label someone a "voice of a generation" that was larger than life and ONLY after he passed away. That's the truth regardless of how badly people insist on saying otherwise.

For what's it's worth, Garth Brooks has 7 of the top 100 selling albums of the 90s

Not saying that's not true for North America, but I get the impression that Nirvana were bigger in Europe/Rest of the World than Pearl Jam and other grunge bands (but still GNR/Metallica were bigger). Think the only place Garth has a following outside of North America is Ireland, shame about those cancelled gigs. I was only born in '88 so I can't say for sure and it may have been because of Cobain's death, but I heard a lot more about Nirvana than I did PJ or AiC (but still knew people who listened to all of them).

Nirvana was the biggest. And that was before Kurt died. It's nonsense to say they only got larger than life after Kurt's death, because here in Europe, that certainly wasn't the case.

I've never even heard of Garth Brooks. That's not a dig at him, but just to show that Europe is a totally different market than the US is. So don't assume people who say Nirvana was the biggest are just full of shit/don't remember/weren't there. Maybe they're just from Europe.

I don't think I've ever even seen a gun shop here in Ireland. The only guns you can legally buy are shotguns and rifles and at that the choice is strictly limited.

Every other type of gun is illegal. In order to buy a gun you have to be a member of a hunting club. You also have to pass an extensive background check.

Any criminal record/mental health issues and you are shit out of luck.

As a member of a gun club you can only shoot game on select land. Clays are your other option. Gun ranges like in the states don't exist.

I don't know a single person that owns a gun. Even the cops are unarmed.

There was (or is, not sure) one in my city. I remember as teenagers we used to look in the window and be fascinated by all the guns, not fascinated as in 'want to own one', but as in 'creepy!'

One day an 18 year old skipped class, bought a shotgun there and went on a rampage in the city, wounding a muslim woman and killing a 2 year old white girl and her black nanny, before being arrested by a cop who happened to be in the neighbourhood.

I will always associate guns with killing and never with leisure.

The way some of you bash Adler is disgusting. Smh.

You gotta remember a lot of the bashing is done by people who weren't around for the real deal GN'R so it's easy for them to look back and easily dismiss Steven's importance to the band's success.

Very true

I just think some people are pretty sick. Instead of being happy that Adler appears to be doing well they just keep bashing him for his addition issues. The world needs more love and compassion and less hate and negativity.

Founding member of the band we all love. Has been clean for over a year and wishes the old band would get together for one more album. And people bash him for that? This is why the internet and forums turn into such cesspools of sht. Nobody can be positive and happy for people.

Who's bashing Steven in this thread? I've seen people complain about Axl's entourage, some mentioned Steven's continuing battle against addictions and one person asked him to shut up.

Overall, most seemed fairly positive to me

This seems to be the way to find a job these days.

Don't eat it.

I'd have trouble not eating her.

She's just too cute, Dazey

What a fucking joke. The prize is a poster with the autograph with a guy who is out of the 'band', being really passive aggressive towards the whole (dis)organisation and probably just waiting for his chance to unload in a massive bitch-fest.

I can't believe they're asking people for money to join a fucking club. They should be paying US to go to shitty VIP meet n greets where the band are drunk or hostile.

And I can't believe that some of the sad wankers at GNR Truth are beating themselves off over this horseshit.

They aren't really asking money to join the fan club. If you buy some merch, you get the membership for free.

Imo there isn't much of an incentive to join either. You can get on the forum and if they tour, you might possibly get tickets in presale, plus they aim to do specials, but nothing is guaranteed. There's only one of three posters to win, really. It's like the equivalent of a lottery ticket, basically.

Exciting! Best of luck, Georgy, I hope all goes well!

It seems to be always about money. Imo friends and money don't go together. I couldn't imagine depending financially on my friends or vice versa. Money corrupts friendship imo, or at least, I'd feel that way, not knowing if they needed me for who I am or for my money.

But I guess when you (and your family) are living off your friend's money for 30 years, your views change and you think it's normal.

Money talks....always has, always will.

Billy C. and kid Rock were also paid to praise Axl Rose ... lolol

- "Billy C. says shit since the begining of his career"

- "Kid Rock 's music is utter shit"

- "Del James is an hired hand"

It's funny how there's always a good excuse to "bash" someone who say something nice about Axl ... that's hilarious .

What are you talking about? I always say nice things about Axl. I'm a fangirl.

When I praise a friend, I praise him for the times he was there for me, giving me a shoulder to cry on, cheering me up, or I reminisce all the fun times we had. I just notice that whenever Del says something nice about Axl, it always seems to involve money. I find that disappointing.

In my opinion, friendship is based on equality. If you are financially dependent, there is no equality.

As for the rest, by all accounts, Axl is a great and loyal friend. So I believe that he is.

That maybe the case and the rules do seem to vary from one country to another. I think if my son was an only child and if he could be placed in a small classroom setting with one to one support we could possibly get by without medication but it would be a full time job in itself. The kind of intervention you describe is costly and I can't see that ever happening in this country except maybe in the rarest of cases. There is a little girl with Downs Syndrome at our school and her Mum had to take the local authority to court to get specific classroom support for her never mind shared care with a special school.

Targeted special schools are really rare in the UK now, a lot have been closed and the buzz word is main stream inclusiveness except nobody has actually stumped up the cash to achieve this properly. Medication is not the only option but it is cheaper I guess, in our case it works though. Ever seen someone take speed and become super manic? It's like but in reverse, I'm constantly astounded and grateful that there is a drug that can turn my son from someone half crazed with pupils like saucers to a calmer and more rational individual in the space of thirty minutes. I understand some of the skepticism because if I hadn't experienced it I probably would think it dreadful and unnecessary too.

It's not a cure all and doesn't solve all his difficulties, in some ways it makes the ASD side of things more apparent because they are not being masked by hyperactivity. This in the long term has made it easier to understand him and to teach him, unmedicated I don't think he can hear anything other than what's in his own head.

There are a lot of restrictions in this country attached to the drugs, I only get 28 days supply at a time, the dosage is reviewed regularly to ensure he is only on the minimum dose to be effective. If i need extra for any reason (lost prescription etc..) Im given the spanish inquistion by his GP. I have a couple of weeks a year one of us spends alone with him on a medication break to assess where he is at without it and he has regular health screening. I can't really fault the medical side of it, it's just the support side which is woeful. If they are handed out freely in other countries then it is possibly irresponsible as I think the above measures are correct as they would be for any serious medication . I wouldn't want to see them banned because of scaremongering because used properly in the right circumstances they can make a massive difference to a childs life and education.

I hear you on the inclusiveness buzz word. That's something we hear a lot about too. But as you say, schools are ill prepared for that kind of education. I know two kids that went to a special needs school for a couple of years (one parttime, the other fulltime) and both are now in a regular school and doing well. But no doubt it has cost a lot of money and effort of both society and parents. I assume most parents would prefer their kid being helped with adequate treatment (if possible), not with medication. Sadly, it often seems impossible, due to lack of capacity or money.

Of course there are so many special needs and in so many degrees. No treatment is suitable for everyone and sometimes (or often, don't know enough about it to be able to say) medication is necessary.

I'm not sure why you think there is an over diagnosis. I can't speak for the USA but in the UK the opposite is true, I'm part of an additional needs parenting group and every story is the same - knocking on every door, waiting lists for assessment that are 2 years + unless you can pay. Lack of diagnosis and support for all kinds of conditions is rife, you need a ridiculous level of persistence to get anywhere. My son is one of the exceptions in being diagnosed so early possibly due to his severity and partly because I have the mental capacity to challenge Doctors and Health Professionals whose preferred stance is wait and see if they grow out of it.

Most kids are well into secondary school before they get any support if at all, prisons and youth offending institutes are full of people who are dyslexic, dyspraxic, ASD, ADHD and other neurological and mental health issues. This, in my opinion could be lessened if diagnosis was more and not less frequent. CAMHS is a failing service, they've just under gone a massive review and have quite rightly been slated, with such poor early intervention the buck just passes to overburdened adult services.

It's easy for you to say oh your kid must be one of the genuine cases but the truth is if you met him on a bad day you would just assume he was one of the stereotypical, feral, badly brought up kids so beloved by the Daily Mail. How can you (not you specifically but you in a general sense) possibly know who is deserving and who isn't? As a family we get a modicum of empathy thrown our way sometimes because we have a veneer of middle class respectability but he would be the same kid whatever our life circumstances. As it is he is doing fairly well because he's had a lot of intervention, I know of a number of kids less severe than him who have been excluded from school after school and by age eleven are in secure educational units, the difference often is because other kids have a less secure background but I can't judge their parents for this because if I was doing this alone or with a low income or a low level of education I would have gone to the wall by now.

Don't know about Dazey or the UK, but I got the impression it was given out quite easily here from a mum whose kid had trouble at kindergarten and she was advised to treat him with ritalin. A friend of hers was in the field as well and thought he might not need it, but could improve with the right treatment, without medication. So the mother refused the ritalin and the boy went to kindergarten three days a week and he went to a special needs school the other two days, where they worked on improving his specific needs. He's now in primary school and doing well. He doesn't even need to go to the special needs school anymore. I know I have very limited experience with this of course, but this story suggests to me that, at least here, medication is given too easily in some cases.

It seems to be always about money. Imo friends and money don't go together. I couldn't imagine depending financially on my friends or vice versa. Money corrupts friendship imo, or at least, I'd feel that way, not knowing if they needed me for who I am or for my money.

But I guess when you (and your family) are living off your friend's money for 30 years, your views change and you think it's normal.

Thank you for posting this, Alfie. It must be a terrible strain on your whole family. As a mother, I can only hope for a 'normal' child, meaning one that is healthy, has friends, hobbies, and can cope at school, without having to excel, but without struggling too. You're right, people are often very quick to judge, and I'm no exception. I do notice the older I get, the less certain I am of things, and the more I try not to judge.

Congratulations on your son's birthday today!

To be fair to Jakey Styley ( i love that name! Flex wicked...styleyyyyyy ) he's got a point about the smug and high and mighty attitude aspect though because like, if you think about it, who here is REALLY old enough to remember pre-Ritalin type era? I mean that shit pretty much kicked off in the late 80s right, medicating kids and that? It's 2015 now, so he's got a fair point, who the fucks even old enough around here to fuckin' really be of a position to be able to say 'gosh, kids these days and their medicating'.

*raises hand*

+1

Never had anyone in my class who took ritalin. As I said, there probably were kids with ADD or whatever. They were just 'difficult pupils' who couldn't sit still, couldn't concentrate...

Again young lady, you are simply not that old. As far as having them in my class then i don't think I've ever met on in my life. Point being it was a 90s phenomena.

Very nice of you to say, but I am I'm 7 or so years older than you. Maybe it started a few years later here. I know from people who teach in primary school that it wasn't around in 'my time'. In the last decade (roughly), there was always at least a couple of kids in every class that were taking something.

To be fair to Jakey Styley ( i love that name! Flex wicked...styleyyyyyy ) he's got a point about the smug and high and mighty attitude aspect though because like, if you think about it, who here is REALLY old enough to remember pre-Ritalin type era? I mean that shit pretty much kicked off in the late 80s right, medicating kids and that? It's 2015 now, so he's got a fair point, who the fucks even old enough around here to fuckin' really be of a position to be able to say 'gosh, kids these days and their medicating'.

*raises hand*

+1

Never had anyone in my class who took ritalin. As I said, there probably were kids with ADD or whatever. They were just 'difficult pupils' who couldn't sit still, couldn't concentrate...

I have asthma and allergies, so I have been taking medication daily for most of my life and will do so until I die. Hooray for medicine!

As for ADD etc... I have thought for a long time it was all bollocks, but apparently it's a physical anomaly in your brain, so it is a thing. As science advances, and we learn new things about the human brain every day, it is very probable that kids from earlier generations had it too. They were probably just regarded as naughty, annoying or dumb kids. Nowadays they may function better if they have the right treatment, with or without medication.

But I do think it is given too easily to some, and that is something which genuinely worries me.

I realize it's different than the ritalin etc, but a few years ago, my then 3 year old daughter, was always coughing, even if it was summer. She wasn't sick and the coughing didn't really bother her, but as I have asthma, I was worried she might develop it too and I took her to the pediatrician. The pediatrician gave her pills which I take myself, but the children's version. I was slightly worried, because I know those pills are 'for life' so to speak. But we gave them anyway. After a week, my daughter started having panic attacks night and day. It was really frightening, we had to hold her for hours to calm her down. So I looked it up and apparently, a very rare side effect was panic attacks. I read accounts on forums that people ended up taking their kids to the psychiatrist for those panic attacks, only to find out, after years, that it was caused by the medication. I immediately stopped with the pills, of course. The panic attacks went away.

I told the doctor, who was surprised, as she'd never seen that happen. She wanted to give my daughter inhalers instead. But as I have asthma myself, I knew that what my daughter had, was far less serious. I really couldn't breathe, was weezing etc. My daughter was never short of breath. So I told the doctor I wouldn't be doing that and left. From then on we made sure to use nasal cleansing every day and she never coughed again.

This just to show that doctors assume things (because I had asthma, my daughter probably had it too), and then prescribe medication when it's not necessary. I know for sure that I would have given her the inhalers if I hadn't experienced asthma myself.