StrangerInThisTown

Thank you. Enough said, honestly.

That's..because those are huge hits that everyone knows. Not because the music genre is any different.

I think what happened was GNR didn't fit in by the point of 1987 as you said, and then, the entire scene changed into THEM, making them (involuntarily) part of it (or the publics perception of it). GNR stopped being glam sometime after the WTTJ video. If you don't look glam, you aren't glam anymore, no matter what your music sounds like. And in reverse when you're glam with your look but you put out the same music as GNR, people still call you glam metal.

Well pardon me if I don't understand, if all I have to work with here are one sentence replies or detailed assessments such as "literally no difference if you've got shit in your ears"

If you have such a detailed sense of separation of music that is all blues based hard rock, you are far out from what the public perceives, which makes it then understandable that you found it hard to believe they lump them in together.

Literally couldn't disagree more because: the only difference might be the topic of the lyrics and/or the look of the members, which is what sways peoples perception big time. Not the music in itself, it's ALL blues based hard rock, all the visual bullshit aside that people want to take into account. I'd even go so far to say that Dr. Feelgood is a straight up attempt to copy the success of AFD in that sense.

Isn't that what "the public" refers to - people who are vaguely familiar with the big hits, maybe watched the WTTJ video or Kickstart My Heart. There is literally no difference to anyone except for people who know Motleys first couple albums instead of Dr. Feelgood (which was their biggest album). Because by that point they were truly putting out the exact same genre of music. Wasn't there even a rumour that Slash wrote the Dr. Feelgood riff and gave it to Nikki?

You need someone to "say" something for you that is like..so extremely obvious to anyone? That the publics perception of GNR and Motley are largely the same lol? They are lumped in together by the public all day and night what are you on about.

That was only the years before AFD came out though. AFD ushered in an entire new era of "hair metal" it goes on for about 5 more years after that point, and when the album exploded, and all hair-metal bands adapted that bluesier GNR sound you described. They were all putting out hard rock like GNR, all the way until about 1992, trying to cash in on their popularity. Those million copycat bands, aswell as bands like Poison and Motley who shifted their style more to GNR with their albums. I think that whole term refers more to how the people putting the music out LOOKED - which is obviously retarded when you try to describe music with it, like we are trying, which makes the entire conversation flawed, since the term stems from people who didn't think it through and just wanted a dumb name to put on the scene.

On the early albums I would definitely agree, but by the time Dr. Feelgood was released they were pretty much putting out the exact same music. I don't think there's much of a difference between "Anything Goes" and "She Goes Down", it's the same songs you would nowadays categorize as "hair metal", however vague that term is. GNR had a hair metal phase even though I would say it's pretty short. Most of their music has darker lyrics than most of those bands put out, even if musically there's not much of a difference. But their look and their subject matter made them different to bands like Motley, which would be enough to understandably want to put them in a different category than hair metal. (still they toured together in 1987)

80s hard rock and hair metal are often used as synonyms anyway, the entire term hair metal was not even a genre back then, none of those bands or their songs were refered to as hair metal, it was always hard rock. It's a loose made up bullshit term by journalists to give a disparaging name for the entire scene of rock from the 80s played by pretty boys after grunge exploded, and not really a genre in itself. These bands all played hard rock, or a slight variation of it.

GNR definitely started out as that and had the hair metal style in the first 3 years (85-87) especially Axl with his teased hair, which even made it as late as the WTTJ video shoot. Songs such as Anything Goes and Back Off Bitch are pure hair metal, not really different to songs other bands wrote at the time.

If you mean when it's close to 3:00 AM and I come home still drunk and trip and fall all over my keyboard and the impact of my head types the right sequence of letters into the searchbar with the mouse also falling on the ground clicking play when it lands on the resulting video while I unconciously lay on the ground the rest of the night: yeah all the time Otherwise I don't believe I've ever done that no

Yes definitely "soon", the worst word of all time to describe a timeframe - which is in turn why you are 100% spot on and accurate with that statement. Nicely done

I'd love for GNR to say yes and then this being the first tour where Shotgun Blues "coincidentally" makes it's live debut and is played for the first time lol

Since this discussion you're still having is coming from a point I've made, let me clarify I didn't question whether he enjoys the live shows. That was never really even a question, he always has. (But even then if we really want to get into it, nothing "is obvious". He looks like he's having a blast when you watch shows he played with VR. It proves nothing - what does that prove? This destroys your entire argument. The only thing that you can deduct and that "is obvious", is that clearly he enjoys playing live, and always has, with any band.) What I meant by his heart is not in it since the GNR reunion, the comment that people have been ridiculous about - I'm refering to the quality of the albums. They clearly took a hit. And you'd have to be a real idiot to believe that's just a big coincidence, or that it has to do with anything else. It clearly took the wind out of the sails for SMKC in terms of creativity and how into composing new material for that band Slash has been since then, it got relegated from being the main focus in his life into the side thing for downtime..and it shows. The entire existence of SMKC has completely turned into just an excuse to tour, it's all "fuck it this'll do" for the albums. That's not what I call having your heart in it. The 3 albums before the GNR reunion vs the 2 albums we got after the reunion, they just speak for themselves. And the numbers prove it, do we have to get into those again, I'd rather not. This whole discussion is more suited for the "Where do we go now?" topic anyways.

How about instead of cluttering the thread with even more of this nonsense you go back and read my earlier reply to you, that you choose to ignore, where I already explained in detail to you and the other guy who claimed he wouldn't be checking Youtube views how that's an absurd take in 2024.

I'd be really surprised if GNR plays live at this. My prediction: Axl doesn't give a fuck, won't show up Izzy: doesn't give a fuck, won't show up Slash: doesn't give a fuck, will show up to boost public profile Duff: maybe gives a slight fuck, will show up with Susan Steven: loves every second, will show up all and stay night long

Pretty much spot on exactly how I feel. Things in the GNR universe have been flooded with uninspired releases and projects since 2018 when the first release post GNR-reunion came out, LTD, and completely shattered my expectations with what would become of that band after such an incredible string of albums that were just getting better. But also the new GNR singles, were pretty much not any better. Most of the time the waiting for it coming out ended up being more exciting than the release itself, how disappointing is that? Perhaps was really the only one moment where I felt pretty good about it. I have a feeling this album will make up for it and that it can be listened to for a long time, with 70 minutes it has near WoF length to it which makes up for things somewhat.

6./5. The General/ I'm Just Ken I honestly can't tell what would feel more embarrassing to be blasting out of your car around town with your windows down, I'm Just Ken or The General. So already just for that they're way at the bottom, with a large distance to everything else. 4./3. HS/Absurd Don't think I listened to HS even more than 5 times total because the 2000 version is just overall more exciting, and thinking about it now, Absurd I also don't think I'll ever listen to again either. It's just so lazy in terms of writing it almost feels like it's wasting my time. 2./1. Perhaps and Killing Floor (though that one still has recency-bias to it) Are interchangeable at the top, way above everything else. just great fully realized songs that feel like work was put into. I don't get that from any of the other 4.

The topic was rather dead for a while, before I began stirring the pot a little again. We can always go back to being boring I guess, lol. I really thought some of my takes might be "hot", but I unexpectedly got confronted with reading even wilder things, like people actually convinced Slash isn't a dude living in 2024, browsing Youtube on his phone, like everyone else. And how he can never possibly look up his own new exciting project he just launched.What a hot take I have don't I, believing the opposite. Made some posters go "WOW", lol

Well, somewhat you are right..yes. I believe that the entire reason that exactly now, after 14 full years of SMKC, he NOW has a new single with Brian Johnson out.. is exactly because of how poorly the last SMKC album did. That would be too much of a coincidence, that after 14 years, he is now suddenly launching a new project. That band has been good to him the entire time and he's cool with that ...aslong as the numbers reflect it. As soon as it begins to go south he will reevaluate what he's doing. And that's where we are now. I won't fully rule out it could be a coincidence, but it just makes sense at this exact point in time.

This is so flawed I don't know what to tell you as a Slash fan, you are simply not as informed as you think you are. According to Slash himself, his heart also was NEVER in VR. Never. Not a single second. Did he tour with that band? Do you, just coincidentally, happen to know? It wasn't fun for him..the entire time. Yet, he managed to do 2 full albums and tours with that band. You probably would have made this exact same post back in 2007 too, "he wouldn't tour if his heart wasn't in it", without knowing the reality. You really think his SOLE reason for touring and not staying at home is because "his heart is in it" ? - and not because of MUCH more important other reasons such as ..he would be drinking himself to death and relapsing, if he wasn't doing anything else..? If you've read his autobiography which I completely believe, being on this forum for years, you MUST have since you come across as big of a hardcore Slash fan as I am: you know that he will be doing absolutely anything in terms of keeping himself busy. I'm not making this up these are his OWN words, read his biography, he's not good with keeping a downtime staying at home, so he just forces himself to tour, no matter if he's inspired or not, there are much more important things at stake. I suggest you read it again if you think what I'm saying is bullshit. He will tour the worst album because he doesn't know what else to do with himself. Would he have toured Libertad if "his heart is in it"? It's just an excuse to tour and do something.. like at all.

Yes, it makes me want to put a rope around my neck blasting it. Absolutely killer

I mean, look: he is churning out the exact same album because that is what worked before, it's the safe space where not a lot of thought has to be put into it. The problem is just that while he can copy the sound and formula, the songs just aren't there since GNR reunited. That would be a pretty big coincidence if it was for another reason ..no? 15 absolutely great songs on WOF to the downgrade of the century of maybe only 3 or 4 on LTD, and then even less on 4, is that the trajectory he should be following? And the streaming numbers reflect it when even a real deep cut like Dirty Girl has TRIPLE the streams of a lead single like River Is Rising. Like I said before you too can believe he doesn't look at that on his phone. But that seems incredibly unrealistic to me for life in 2024. As a person having lived life in 2024, with your smartphone constantly in your hands, how can you honestly say that, he surely didn't check in on the charts back in 1987 when MTV was the Youtube of the time, but now it's the other way around where you can have the Youtube App on your homescreen and look up anything within 30 seconds or less, especially when you've just launched a new project for the first time since 2010. And like I said before also, even if he himself doesn't check it, he has been TOLD by now how the numbers haven't been this high since probably his 2010 album. And third, what exactly don't you agree with? I too like SMKC, Myles and each of the albums. That doesn't mean I think that the albums have been getting better, which is what I've been saying the entire time. Do we want Slash to further go downhill instead of realizing his full potential? On my money, you can bet your ass nothing better will be happening with SMKC after the last 2 albums, and on the third time around since GNR reunited. He needs to focus on a different thing again and maybe return to doing SMKC after that.