I think This I Love is an embarrassment.

[Nintari]

Oh look,another wanna-be music critic who seeks to impose his biased views on the unwashed masses, are you a musician? that was a rhetorical question,you have proved by the content of your comment that you

are nothing of the sort,have never been inside a studio,you just wanna make your own little personal piss list and compel people to comply,but I'm not in your malignant mongoloid mind,and your post means shit to me,not here to please you and it's overtly obvious that you are more talented at picking at your current crop of herpes sores than judging what constitutes good music, TIL is a brilliant ballad that somehow escapes your mangled muppet mentality.

Off you go again, such anger! Have a nice sit down in a darkened room bud, it'll do you the world of good.

He's just being edgy, and gathering his artistic merits by defending the flamboyant and unrestrained failures of other artists, that us normies can't even begin to perceive.

There's nothing wrong with not liking (songs like) This I Love, but there is something wrong if you think it's gay to like them.

According to psychologists, those who are most homophobic have the most homosexual tendencies.

Sources?

There's been numerous studies in the field of psychology and most conclude a link. Here's an exert from a study conducted in the 1990's.

There is some scientific evidence suggesting Dean is right -- and that his arguments apply much more widely, to homophobes in politics, religion and the wider world. Professor Henry Adams at the University of Georgia conducted a major study in the 1990s, where he took several groups of men who identified as heterosexual and expressed hostility to gays, and wired them up so the blood flow to their penises could be monitored. He then showed them gay porn -- and some 80 percent became aroused. He concluded that since "most homophobes demonstrate significant sexual arousal to homosexual erotic stimuli", anti-gay hatred is probably "a form of latent homosexuality."

[AbominableHoman]

Thanks, I've heard of the "links" I'd like sources such as academic journals, or just something more indepth than hooking up "anti-gays" to a boner machine. PM me the reply. No reason to continue it here.

Edited November 22, 2010 by AbominableHoman

[Nintari]

Thanks, I've heard of the "links" I'd like sources such as academic journals, or just something more indepth than hooking up "anti-gays" to a boner machine. PM me the reply. No reason to continue it here.

I don't know about you, but imo, getting an erection while watching gay men fuck is pretty much an indication of someone having "gay tendencies". As far as studies and results that have been conducted over the years, I'm not your personal library. You can do that yourself.

[AbominableHoman]

Thanks, I've heard of the "links" I'd like sources such as academic journals, or just something more indepth than hooking up "anti-gays" to a boner machine. PM me the reply. No reason to continue it here.

I don't know about you, but imo, getting an erection while watching gay men fuck is pretty much an indication of someone having "gay tendencies". As far as studies and results that have been conducted over the years, I'm not your personal library. You can do that yourself.

Your lack of critical think is probably the same reason why you, and other TiL fans here, think everyone who doesn't like this song is emotionally inexperienced or sexually insecure.

[Cdlove]

Why did this thread have to come back?

[AbominableHoman]

Oi! I do okay!

Shut up and go back to manning your station in The Fortress.

[Nintari]

Thanks, I've heard of the "links" I'd like sources such as academic journals, or just something more indepth than hooking up "anti-gays" to a boner machine. PM me the reply. No reason to continue it here.

I don't know about you, but imo, getting an erection while watching gay men fuck is pretty much an indication of someone having "gay tendencies". As far as studies and results that have been conducted over the years, I'm not your personal library. You can do that yourself.

Your lack of critical think is probably the same reason why you, and other TiL fans here, think everyone who doesn't like this song is emotionally inexperienced or sexually insecure.

My "critical think" is just fine, thank you. And I don't give a shit what you like or why you like/dislike it. I like the song, if you don't? I really don't fucking care.

[supersillyspacemonkey]

I don't get it, why is TiL any different than Patience, Don cry, Nov Rain?

Thats a good question, ill answer it!

TIL is just a little gayer than the usual ballad.

where do i begin?

See with patience and dont cry, you had a main guitar riff in there.

Even a little piano, you know what? Lets throw street of dreams in their category as well.

now all those songs are interesting musically. They maybe sad ballads, bt theyre fuckin powerful to some degree troughout the entre song.

K Mainly their choruses werent so damn annoyig. ITW was annoyig in the same way as TIL but it had a cooler sound to it, just whiney choruses.

TIL is just a piano with axl whining. and it just stays like that FOREVER! Until the guitar solo kicks in than its like FINALLY!

even after that though with the guitar in it, it doesnt even sound memorable as a riff. nothing like estranged.

The only way to even compare this song to NR is through the solo.

On a scale of being epic you get

Estranged TWAT NR Coma at the top

then you work down to DC SOD Patience SCOM

all ballads but TIL is right at the bottom. no powerful sound other than the solo, axls voice maybe good but the words are terrible.

it honestly wouldnt even be that bad if he didnt have to repeat himself so damn much. thats what i didnt like about ITW.

like at least the other songs had other insturments, TIL is just a piano, some boring synth and a guitar solo.

Compared to TWAT thats like an orchestral genius clusterfuck of awesome. TIL is embarrassing.

Prostitute though the only thing wrong with that song was his voice it would have sounded better raspier i think and the guitar solos were too damn short.

This I Love is the second gayest GNR song ever right after Sorry.

Not too sure what to say about my world.

Oh look,another wanna-be music critic who seeks to impose his biased views on the unwashed masses, are you a musician? that was a rhetorical question,you have proved by the content of your comment that you

are nothing of the sort,have never been inside a studio,you just wanna make your own little personal piss list and compel people to comply,but I'm not in your malignant mongoloid mind,and your post means shit to me,not here to please you and it's overtly obvious that you are more talented at picking at your current crop of herpes sores than judging what constitutes good music, TIL is a brilliant ballad that somehow escapes your mangled muppet mentality.

You are a fag. and youre stupid. go fuck yourself.

I AM a musician. you are a retard. I play multiple insturments and I have a studo in my fuckin basement, douche.

Oh what now?

If my post didnt matter to you so much you wouldnt be acting like such a bitch now would you?

Youre even gayer than this song, thats pretty gay.

november rain, TWAT estranged. THOSE are brilliant ballads.

TIL is just fuckin boring and whiney, that simple.

Street of dreams rocked the shit out of this song even prostitute rocked the shit out of this song.

Obviously TIL rocks the shit out of you and thats why youre such a pussy.

Theres this CD called Appetite For Destruction, id tell you to go check it out, its really old Guns N' Roses but you probably just couldnt handle it. It rocks too hard.

Theres a good solo in TIL and thats it, the rest is garbage. I mean youd think with 5 gutarists and all those years he could have made that song interesting but he just decided notto. Its like listening to the piano only version of estranged with even whinier lyrics.

Thank you for being such a douchebag i was really bored and you gave me something do to.

[RocknRoller]

Thanks, I've heard of the "links" I'd like sources such as academic journals, or just something more indepth than hooking up "anti-gays" to a boner machine. PM me the reply. No reason to continue it here.

I don't know about you, but imo, getting an erection while watching gay men fuck is pretty much an indication of someone having "gay tendencies". As far as studies and results that have been conducted over the years, I'm not your personal library. You can do that yourself.

Your lack of critical think is probably the same reason why you, and other TiL fans here, think everyone who doesn't like this song is emotionally inexperienced or sexually insecure.

My "critical think" is just fine, thank you. And I don't give a shit what you like or why you like/dislike it. I like the song, if you don't? I really don't fucking care.

Agreed! This thread is an embarassment, those who can't identify or refuse to acknowledge the dark side everyone possesses but few reveal publicly, are shallow water swimmers and claim to detest the song,so everyone will see how "macho" they are,and how they have no such emotions,they are in denial or in the closet,I like the emotional Depth and vulnerability of TIL, NR, Estranged, and I'm not afraid to admit it.

[supersillyspacemonkey]

TIL is just a little gayer than the usual ballad.

Why? Because there's a little intimacy to This I Love and therefore you're too scared to embrace it? This I Love is a decent enough track which isn't going to compromise your masculinity if you enjoy it. If anything both November Rain and This I Love are equally as gay because they both encapsulate really strong emotions felt by Axl during some period in his life. Usually people who refer to something as homosexual because it isn't macho may need to look closer to home if you know what I mean.

Whew at least youre not a douchebag.

To be honest Sorrys the song i REALLY hate.

FUCK THAT SONG!

TIL is a song i could only listen to if i were to play the entire album.

It is a decent track at best but lots could have been done to improve it. I didnt like the chorus at all, let alone howmany times it was repeated.

We get it, if shes somewhere near you you hope to god she hears you. We heard you the first time.

He nevermade that mistake in november rain and in estranged at least it fit well.

Now dont get me wrong i love a good GNR ballad, TWAT is my favorite on the album i think real fun to play too.

What it comes dwn to for TIL is that it was just plain fuckin boring. Wha it needed was some more insturments.

More lyrics! That chorus was just terrible! Its like he didnt even try for the lyrics on some parts of this album like for TWAT when he just starts repeating "I would do anything for you"..... ok i get it shut up.

Sometimes i think this album would be even MORE GNR if axl just didnt sing the whole time.

Now its not even how gay the song was that put me off its just really boring and needed lots of things added to it. The solo alone got it compared to NR, imagine if he actuall put effort into that song. I can listen to it a little easier than sorry, and i get the song i relate to it and all, but the bottom line is that it bored me.

He went straight to the point of what he was talking about and just bored me thats all. Still not half as boring as Sorry, now thats the real embarrassment.

I mean with 5 guitarists youd think he could have put in a little more than one solo. then after that the guitar might as well not even be in there, lets just sayits not he most memorable riff.

Sorry still sucked harder though

You Better be Sorry for putting that song on the album!

Also just because somebody calls it a gay song, theyre just being honest, itdoesnt mean theyre some redneck coset case.

Aww man this weathers so gay i hate snow!

"You called the snow gay in a negative way, youre homophobic! you must have hidden homosexual tendancies"

.......shut up. It is a pretty gay song.

Still not as gay as sorry.

November Rain, Street Of Dreams, Estranged, TWAT

For the most part not even gay. sad songs maybe but certainly not thegay whiney crap you hear out of this i love the whiney wanna-be ballad.

Those songs rocked the whole track through.

Alli can picture is shit from the music videos and slash playing in a desert church and shit its epic.

TIL.... the SOLO was epic...

But thats all.

There is nothing epic about sorry.

Edited November 23, 2010 by supersillyspacemonkey

[Nintari]

TIL is just a little gayer than the usual ballad.

Why? Because there's a little intimacy to “This I Love” and therefore you're too scared to embrace it? “This I Love” is a decent enough track which isn't going to compromise your masculinity if you enjoy it. If anything both “November Rain” and “This I Love” are equally as “gay” because they both encapsulate really strong emotions felt by Axl during some period in his life. Usually people who refer to something as homosexual because it isn't “macho” may need to look closer to home if you know what I mean.

Whew at least youre not a douchebag.

To be honest Sorrys the song i REALLY hate.

FUCK THAT SONG!

TIL is a song i could only listen to if i were to play the entire album.

It is a decent track at best but lots could have been done to improve it. I didnt like the chorus at all, let alone howmany times it was repeated.

We get it, if shes somewhere near you you hope to god she hears you. We heard you the first time.

He nevermade that mistake in november rain and in estranged at least it fit well.

Now dont get me wrong i love a good GNR ballad, TWAT is my favorite on the album i think real fun to play too.

What it comes dwn to for TIL is that it was just plain fuckin boring. Wha it needed was some more insturments.

More lyrics! That chorus was just terrible! Its like he didnt even try for the lyrics on some parts of this album like for TWAT when he just starts repeating "I would do anything for you"..... ok i get it shut up.

Sometimes i think this album would be even MORE GNR if axl just didnt sing the whole time.

Now its not even how gay the song was that put me off its just really boring and needed lots of things added to it. The solo alone got it compared to NR, imagine if he actuall put effort into that song. I can listen to it a little easier than sorry, and i get the song i relate to it and all, but the bottom line is that it bored me.

He went straight to the point of what he was talking about and just bored me thats all. Still not half as boring as Sorry, now thats the real embarrassment.

I mean with 5 guitarists youd think he could have put in a little more than one solo. then after that the guitar might as well not even be in there, lets just sayits not he most memorable riff.

Sorry still sucked harder though

You Better be Sorry for putting that song on the album!

Also just because somebody calls it a gay song, theyre just being honest, itdoesnt mean theyre some redneck coset case.

Aww man this weathers so gay i hate snow!

"You called the snow gay in a negative way, youre homophobic! you must have hidden homosexual tendancies"

.......shut up. It is a pretty gay song.

Still not as gay as sorry.

November Rain, Street Of Dreams, Estranged, TWAT

For the most part not even gay. sad songs maybe but certainly not thegay whiney crap you hear out of this i love the whiney wanna-be ballad.

Those songs rocked the whole track through.

Alli can picture is shit from the music videos and slash playing in a desert church and shit its epic.

TIL.... the SOLO was epic...

But thats all.

There is nothing epic about sorry.

You know...a little grammar every now and then goes a long, long way.

[AbominableHoman]

Thanks, I've heard of the "links" I'd like sources such as academic journals, or just something more indepth than hooking up "anti-gays" to a boner machine. PM me the reply. No reason to continue it here.

I don't know about you, but imo, getting an erection while watching gay men fuck is pretty much an indication of someone having "gay tendencies". As far as studies and results that have been conducted over the years, I'm not your personal library. You can do that yourself.

Your lack of critical think is probably the same reason why you, and other TiL fans here, think everyone who doesn't like this song is emotionally inexperienced or sexually insecure.

My "critical think" is just fine, thank you. And I don't give a shit what you like or why you like/dislike it. I like the song, if you don't? I really don't fucking care.

Agreed! This thread is an embarassment, those who can't identify or refuse to acknowledge the dark side everyone possesses but few reveal publicly, are shallow water swimmers and claim to detest the song,so everyone will see how "macho" they are,and how they have no such emotions,they are in denial or in the closet,I like the emotional Depth and vulnerability of TIL, NR, Estranged, and I'm not afraid to admit it.

Estranged is what got me into Guns N' Roses. Your argument straight sucks and you're trying too hard.

[zepsun]

I motion to start banning anyone using the word 'f@g' as it is the same thing as saying 'nig#er'. I also motion to ban those using the word gay to describe things negatively (and can't think of a better way to make their point, thus showing how lacking in communication skills they actually are).

Edited November 23, 2010 by zepsun

[gunsguy]

I motion to start banning anyone using the word 'f@g' as it is the same thing as saying 'nig#er'. I also motion to ban those using the word gay to describe things negatively (and can't think of a better way to make their point, thus showing how lacking in communication skills they actually are).

You could be on to something there, there is no reason to be using those words here period! Some opinions are better left unsaid.

Guys not to be an asshole but if you can't critique the tune without resorting to bashing of the band or the forums users maybe you should not be here?

Some things should not be said to each other in open forum, pm someone with the messages instead, goes way further to promote your hatred of people

critique the song in question is not a problem, calling each other names over and over is ridiculous.

I like the song myself, you may not that does not make me wanna freak out on you or anyone, I just don't get that part

ok rant over, reports filed...

[AbominableHoman]

I have a friend who is gay though....

[Dead Flower]

Yeah, we're all friends with Jackie Moon.

[Shackler118]

I don't get it, why is TiL any different than Patience, Don cry, Nov Rain?

Thats a good question, ill answer it!

TIL is just a little gayer than the usual ballad.

where do i begin?

See with patience and dont cry, you had a main guitar riff in there.

Even a little piano, you know what? Lets throw street of dreams in their category as well.

now all those songs are interesting musically. They maybe sad ballads, bt theyre fuckin powerful to some degree troughout the entre song.

K Mainly their choruses werent so damn annoyig. ITW was annoyig in the same way as TIL but it had a cooler sound to it, just whiney choruses.

TIL is just a piano with axl whining. and it just stays like that FOREVER! Until the guitar solo kicks in than its like FINALLY!

even after that though with the guitar in it, it doesnt even sound memorable as a riff. nothing like estranged.

The only way to even compare this song to NR is through the solo.

On a scale of being epic you get

Estranged TWAT NR Coma at the top

then you work down to DC SOD Patience SCOM

all ballads but TIL is right at the bottom. no powerful sound other than the solo, axls voice maybe good but the words are terrible.

it honestly wouldnt even be that bad if he didnt have to repeat himself so damn much. thats what i didnt like about ITW.

like at least the other songs had other insturments, TIL is just a piano, some boring synth and a guitar solo.

Compared to TWAT thats like an orchestral genius clusterfuck of awesome. TIL is embarrassing.

Prostitute though the only thing wrong with that song was his voice it would have sounded better raspier i think and the guitar solos were too damn short.

This I Love is the second gayest GNR song ever right after Sorry.

Not too sure what to say about my world.

Oh look,another wanna-be music critic who seeks to impose his biased views on the unwashed masses, are you a musician? that was a rhetorical question,you have proved by the content of your comment that you

are nothing of the sort,have never been inside a studio,you just wanna make your own little personal piss list and compel people to comply,but I'm not in your malignant mongoloid mind,and your post means shit to me,not here to please you and it's overtly obvious that you are more talented at picking at your current crop of herpes sores than judging what constitutes good music, TIL is a brilliant ballad that somehow escapes your mangled muppet mentality.

You are a fag. and youre stupid. go fuck yourself.

I AM a musician. you are a retard. I play multiple insturments and I have a studo in my fuckin basement, douche.

Oh what now?

If my post didnt matter to you so much you wouldnt be acting like such a bitch now would you?

Youre even gayer than this song, thats pretty gay.

november rain, TWAT estranged. THOSE are brilliant ballads.

TIL is just fuckin boring and whiney, that simple.

Street of dreams rocked the shit out of this song even prostitute rocked the shit out of this song.

Obviously TIL rocks the shit out of you and thats why youre such a pussy.

Theres this CD called Appetite For Destruction, id tell you to go check it out, its really old Guns N' Roses but you probably just couldnt handle it. It rocks too hard.

Theres a good solo in TIL and thats it, the rest is garbage. I mean youd think with 5 gutarists and all those years he could have made that song interesting but he just decided notto. Its like listening to the piano only version of estranged with even whinier lyrics.

Thank you for being such a douchebag i was really bored and you gave me something do to.

BLAH BLAH BLAH, I'M A METAL MEATHEAD BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!

[Apollo]

I motion to start banning anyone using the word 'f@g' as it is the same thing as saying 'nig#er'. I also motion to ban those using the word gay to describe things negatively (and can't think of a better way to make their point, thus showing how lacking in communication skills they actually are).

Can we please add "retard" to the list as well. There are lots of other words people can use as insults or to insult people rather than gay ar retard.

.

Supersilly, can you post some music that you have recorded in your basement studio?

[Dead Flower]

jeez, i reckon i'd stop posting if i couldn't call people fag or retard.

[Jackie Moon]

Yeah, we're all friends with Jackie Moon.

im quoting this so you can never take it back.

[RocketKing99]

I motion to start banning anyone using the word 'f@g' as it is the same thing as saying 'nig#er'. I also motion to ban those using the word gay to describe things negatively (and can't think of a better way to make their point, thus showing how lacking in communication skills they actually are).

You could be on to something there, there is no reason to be using those words here period! Some opinions are better left unsaid.

Guys not to be an asshole but if you can't critique the tune without resorting to bashing of the band or the forums users maybe you should not be here?

Some things should not be said to each other in open forum, pm someone with the messages instead, goes way further to promote your hatred of people

critique the song in question is not a problem, calling each other names over and over is ridiculous.

I like the song myself, you may not that does not make me wanna freak out on you or anyone, I just don't get that part

ok rant over, reports filed...

are you even a mod? you act like one but I don't see the "mod" tag in your profile

[gunsguy]

I motion to start banning anyone using the word 'f@g' as it is the same thing as saying 'nig#er'. I also motion to ban those using the word gay to describe things negatively (and can't think of a better way to make their point, thus showing how lacking in communication skills they actually are).

You could be on to something there, there is no reason to be using those words here period! Some opinions are better left unsaid.

Guys not to be an asshole but if you can't critique the tune without resorting to bashing of the band or the forums users maybe you should not be here?

Some things should not be said to each other in open forum, pm someone with the messages instead, goes way further to promote your hatred of people

critique the song in question is not a problem, calling each other names over and over is ridiculous.

I like the song myself, you may not that does not make me wanna freak out on you or anyone, I just don't get that part

ok rant over, reports filed...

are you even a mod? you act like one but I don't see the "mod" tag in your profile

Dont have tag, not a mod, I work for the site though and try to help out when things go way off topic, etc etc. I am news reporter so I can't do fuck all Directly but remind folks of certain things, it is up to you guys to decide what to do

I filled reports about certain posts in this thread, any user can do the same.

I am what is called the friendly warning (reminder) without a real one Just trying to help the mods and the users at the same time :xmasssanta:

often it is more about staying on topic then the words used, like some posts here bashing each other not really adding anything at all to the conversation

Edited November 23, 2010 by gunsguy

[Nintari]

I motion to start banning anyone using the word 'f@g' as it is the same thing as saying 'nig#er'. I also motion to ban those using the word gay to describe things negatively (and can't think of a better way to make their point, thus showing how lacking in communication skills they actually are).

Fag is no longer a term used only to describe gay people. Fag is now more commonly used as a way to call something shitty...or to call someone stupid/lame/retarded/dumb or in general...a loser. Overseas, it's even used to describe a cigarette.

So, sorry to be the spoiler of bad news but, it's far too late to get all PC about the word fag.

Edited November 23, 2010 by Nintari

[supersillyspacemonkey]

...

Edited November 23, 2010 by supersillyspacemonkey

[supersillyspacemonkey]

I don't get it, why is TiL any different than Patience, Don cry, Nov Rain?

Thats a good question, ill answer it!

TIL is just a little gayer than the usual ballad.

where do i begin?

See with patience and dont cry, you had a main guitar riff in there.

Even a little piano, you know what? Lets throw street of dreams in their category as well.

now all those songs are interesting musically. They maybe sad ballads, bt theyre fuckin powerful to some degree troughout the entre song.

K Mainly their choruses werent so damn annoyig. ITW was annoyig in the same way as TIL but it had a cooler sound to it, just whiney choruses.

TIL is just a piano with axl whining. and it just stays like that FOREVER! Until the guitar solo kicks in than its like FINALLY!

even after that though with the guitar in it, it doesnt even sound memorable as a riff. nothing like estranged.

The only way to even compare this song to NR is through the solo.

On a scale of being epic you get

Estranged TWAT NR Coma at the top

then you work down to DC SOD Patience SCOM

all ballads but TIL is right at the bottom. no powerful sound other than the solo, axls voice maybe good but the words are terrible.

it honestly wouldnt even be that bad if he didnt have to repeat himself so damn much. thats what i didnt like about ITW.

like at least the other songs had other insturments, TIL is just a piano, some boring synth and a guitar solo.

Compared to TWAT thats like an orchestral genius clusterfuck of awesome. TIL is embarrassing.

Prostitute though the only thing wrong with that song was his voice it would have sounded better raspier i think and the guitar solos were too damn short.

This I Love is the second gayest GNR song ever right after Sorry.

Not too sure what to say about my world.

Oh look,another wanna-be music critic who seeks to impose his biased views on the unwashed masses, are you a musician? that was a rhetorical question,you have proved by the content of your comment that you

are nothing of the sort,have never been inside a studio,you just wanna make your own little personal piss list and compel people to comply,but I'm not in your malignant mongoloid mind,and your post means shit to me,not here to please you and it's overtly obvious that you are more talented at picking at your current crop of herpes sores than judging what constitutes good music, TIL is a brilliant ballad that somehow escapes your mangled muppet mentality.

You are a fag. and youre stupid. go fuck yourself.

I AM a musician. you are a retard. I play multiple insturments and I have a studo in my fuckin basement, douche.

Oh what now?

If my post didnt matter to you so much you wouldnt be acting like such a bitch now would you?

Youre even gayer than this song, thats pretty gay.

november rain, TWAT estranged. THOSE are brilliant ballads.

TIL is just fuckin boring and whiney, that simple.

Street of dreams rocked the shit out of this song even prostitute rocked the shit out of this song.

Obviously TIL rocks the shit out of you and thats why youre such a pussy.

Theres this CD called Appetite For Destruction, id tell you to go check it out, its really old Guns N' Roses but you probably just couldnt handle it. It rocks too hard.

Theres a good solo in TIL and thats it, the rest is garbage. I mean youd think with 5 gutarists and all those years he could have made that song interesting but he just decided notto. Its like listening to the piano only version of estranged with even whinier lyrics.

Thank you for being such a douchebag i was really bored and you gave me something do to.

BLAH BLAH BLAH, I'M A METAL MEATHEAD BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!

Are you implying im a meat head?

Or are you a meth head who cant spell?

Well you do come off as a retard so im gonna go ahead and all you a fag now. fag