D-GenerationX Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I actually love the video.Is the ending not perfect? One by one they all try and help Axl, and he doesn't take it? Throws away the life preserver? Tremendous.Because that's Axl Rose. He'd curse the darkness instead of lighting a candle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Axl always stated that there was a totally different story/script they were going to do for the Estranged video before Stephanie and he broke up. That it was going to be a direct continuation of the 'story' being told throughout DC and NR. I wonder what that story was and how it differed from the final product?Has it ever come out or leaked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrangedtwat Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 You can read the script. It's called "Without You" by Del James.They were gonna show why she only had one half her face showing in the casket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 You can read the script. It's called "Without You" by Del James.They were gonna show why she only had one half her face showing in the casket.Oh, I didn't know they were going to follow the book verbatim, I thought he meant they had a different concept.Do you remember when the Estranged video debuted, Josh? Were you still paying attention to GN'R at that point? If so, what do you remember the reaction back then, like the immediate sentiment being? I've read the NR video was incredibly well received and was the most requested video on MTV for all of 1992. OT but I actually just bought the Language of Fear the other day, it should arrive in the mail. I've never really read horror before so it should be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-GenerationX Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 You can read the script. It's called "Without You" by Del James. They were gonna show why she only had one half her face showing in the casket. Oh, I didn't know they were going to follow the book verbatim, I thought he meant they had a different concept. Do you remember when the Estranged video debuted, Josh? Were you still paying attention to GN'R at that point? If so, what do you remember the reaction back then, like the immediate sentiment being? I've read the NR video was incredibly well received and was the most requested video on MTV for all of 1992. OT but I actually just bought the Language of Fear the other day, it should arrive in the mail. I've never really read horror before so it should be interesting. The video came out in early 1994, and it didn't exactly fit in with the stuff on the channel at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 You can read the script. It's called "Without You" by Del James.They were gonna show why she only had one half her face showing in the casket. Oh, I didn't know they were going to follow the book verbatim, I thought he meant they had a different concept.Do you remember when the Estranged video debuted, Josh? Were you still paying attention to GN'R at that point? If so, what do you remember the reaction back then, like the immediate sentiment being? I've read the NR video was incredibly well received and was the most requested video on MTV for all of 1992. OT but I actually just bought the Language of Fear the other day, it should arrive in the mail. I've never really read horror before so it should be interesting.The video came out in early 1994, and it didn't exactly fit in with the stuff on the channel at the time.Weren't there a lot of surreal videos that year though? Beck's Loser, Black Hole Sun, Human Behavior by Bjork...I mean, Estranged wasn't that out there compared to those videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bards Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Estranged didn't come off as "surreal" or "out there" though. Just pompous and overblown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrangedtwat Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 MTV still promoted the hell out of it though. I still have the world premiere on an old VHS somewhere....they premeired it the same week as a new U2 video and some other BIG band. It was like "The biggest bands in the world all have new videos and WE'RE playing them first!!!"So yeah, they built the hype up, premiered it, played it back to back. The VJs had to pretend to think it was the greatest thing they'd ever seen, whether they actually felt that way or not. But yeah, they were like "WOW!!! Did you see that? That was insane!!"No idea how people liked it...by 1994 I was the only GNR fan left at my school other than some white trash mullet heads. "Alternative" stuff was on fire that year...Soundgarden, NIN, Beck, Green Day, and you still had Pearl Jam fans and Nirvana fans despite the recent departure of Cobain. I think most people just didn't give a shit, and some of my friends even mocked me then, but I was so pumped about that video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Estranged didn't come off as "surreal" or "out there" though. Just pompous and overblown.Yes, this. When it came out, I was actually embarrassed I'd ever been a fan. Loser or Black Hole Sun were cool, Estranged never was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrangedtwat Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Oh, and go to amazon and read Axl's introduction to Language of Fear to hear the plans straight from the horses's mouth.Jesus Miser, you never read Language of Fear? And here I thought you considered yourself a GNR historian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Oh, and go to amazon and read Axl's introduction to Language of Fear to hear the plans straight from the horses's mouth.Jesus Miser, you never read Language of Fear? And here I thought you considered yourself a GNR historian. I stopped reading fiction for years and only read biographies, and so I'm trying to get myself back into the world of fiction. Bought language of fear, divergent and the hunger games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estrangedtwat Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I just thought a GNR enthusiast such as himself surely would have read at least Without You and Axl's introduction years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceguy Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I'd hate myself if I ever read any shit that Del wrote. I'd be embarrassed for my life. I read quite a lot, both fiction and non fiction, so it's an absolute joke to call Del a writer. He's as much of an author as Tobias is a songwriter. Then again, Axl is a master of surrounding himself with talentless sycophants. Anyway, it's shocking to realize this video came out in 94, considering what was happening in rock music then. I was a kid and was following all the latest alt grunge rock. I didn't even care to see anything GNR, because in my mind, that was as old and uncool as dad-rock. In my mind and everyone else at my school, GNR was ancient and laughably old. In reality, they were the same age as the grunge guys!Anyway, I wised up later and became a bigger fan of GNR than any of the grunge bands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I just thought a GNR enthusiast such as himself surely would have read at least Without You and Axl's introduction years ago.I read his introduction years ago, just never got around to buying the book because of the way it was slagged here and my stupid obsession with biographies of US Presidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 It is, unreadable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndaRose Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I read it, my oh my, I can absolutely not see why 'it was based on the story' ....only thing that I noticed was, in the story, the musician wrote a song and wanted to give half of the royalties to his girl, because the song was about her....now...that was exactly Axl and Erin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asia Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Estranged didn't come off as "surreal" or "out there" though. Just pompous and overblown.This. It was horrible and embarassing. Worst of the awful 3. And, indeed, to release something like that in 1994 was suicidal. Unless Axl wanted every one of his fan to hate him eversince and be embarassed to admit being his fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChineseIRS Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Ive read it, and i thought most of the stories were pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff27 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Estranged didn't come off as "surreal" or "out there" though. Just pompous and overblown.This. It was horrible and embarassing. Worst of the awful 3. And, indeed, to release something like that in 1994 was suicidal. Unless Axl wanted every one of his fan to hate him eversince and be embarassed to admit being his fan.It's better than the video for since I don't have you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asia Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Estranged didn't come off as "surreal" or "out there" though. Just pompous and overblown.This. It was horrible and embarassing. Worst of the awful 3. And, indeed, to release something like that in 1994 was suicidal. Unless Axl wanted every one of his fan to hate him eversince and be embarassed to admit being his fan.It's better than the video for since I don't have youI guess I'd take Since I don't Have You over it but they're both shit so not much to argue about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff27 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Estranged didn't come off as "surreal" or "out there" though. Just pompous and overblown.This. It was horrible and embarassing. Worst of the awful 3. And, indeed, to release something like that in 1994 was suicidal. Unless Axl wanted every one of his fan to hate him eversince and be embarassed to admit being his fan.It's better than the video for since I don't have you I guess I'd take Since I don't Have You over it but they're both shit so not much to argue about You could argue which one is shitter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kater Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 The first time I have seen the video, it was already 1997. Due to enormous lack of money on our television they couldn't buy almost any videos for a long 5 years.There was no cable tv, and rare people had satellite antenna. Whoever had one wasn't willing to pay for better programs. We were watching only free ones and those were completely uninteresting. There was no YouTube either.Because of these circumstances, I don't see it as something horrible and embarassing. I was fascinated to see my dearest band again in a video never seen before, playing their best ballad in my opinion. It was cool to see Axl again since there were no news about him for some time.This video is in my memory as something beautiful that filled this longlasting gap and brought me some kind of happiness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER PT Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 This video isn't ridiculous, it's just great ...It have to be seen like something done 2 decades ago ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asia Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 This video isn't ridiculous, it's just great ...It have to be seen like something done 2 decades ago ...I saw it 2 decades ago... And it was still shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 It is awful. It is perhaps the single worst thing the old band ever did, ever, My World excepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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