Hostility Over The Band Name

[SunnyDRE]

Yes it has died down a touch. just like GNR-related discussion in general. Fan communities of Internet hate,love and need to to be able to wait for something big. This sadistic pleasure of waiting combined with a stream of brand new fans is what keeps a community fresh and breathing. There's nothing exiting enough to look forward to and GNR isn't exactly harvesting crops of new fans. So world as we know it is steadily withering away and turning into a tired, worn gray zombie D;

Nothing to look forward to? Really? How about RIR,and the other dates being scheduled.

Unless you live in South America it really doesn't matter.

How about the fact that GNR has over

11 million followers on fb

What does that have to do with anything? How does that make a fans experience better?

and update tweets about what they ate up to.

I know what you meant here, but with you misspelling of the word "are", you actually are correct. They tweet stupid shit, like what they "ate", pics of their cats, pics of their housekeeper etc. stuff that most have absolutely no interest in.

The twats should return to the clown forum

The forums are the same; both have their fair share of clowns.

there is lots to look forward if you aren't a hater.

There really isn't.

[sailaway]

Yes it has died down a touch. just like GNR-related discussion in general. Fan communities of Internet hate,love and need to to be able to wait for something big. This sadistic pleasure of waiting combined with a stream of brand new fans is what keeps a community fresh and breathing. There's nothing exiting enough to look forward to and GNR isn't exactly harvesting crops of new fans. So world as we know it is steadily withering away and turning into a tired, worn gray zombie D;

Nothing to look forward to? Really? How about RIR,and the other dates being scheduled.

Unless you live in South America it really doesn't matter.

How about the fact that GNR has over

11 million followers on fb

What does that have to do with anything? How does that make a fans experience better?

and update tweets about what they ate up to.

I know what you meant here, but with you misspelling of the word "are", you actually are correct. They tweet stupid shit, like what they "ate", pics of their cats, pics of their housekeeper etc. stuff that most have absolutely no interest in.

The twats should return to the clown forum

The forums are the same; both have their fair share of clowns.

there is lots to look forward if you aren't a hater.

There really isn't.

The new gigs are something to look forward to,I have travelled via plane to concerts.

The clown forum is an abomination,its a collection of losers with few exceptions.

Maybe you could use an antidepressant? I'm excited about the tour.Don't think combining sections would lead to anything productive or positive.

[SunnyDRE]

The new gigs are something to look forward to,I have travelled via plane to concerts.

It's a recession Mr. Gates. Many can't afford to do as you. Maybe if you would pay your damn taxes... but yeah, like I said for the most part unless your live in South America, its hard to be to excited about the upcoming dates.

The clown forum is an abomination,its a collection of losers with few exceptions.

This forum is EXACTLY the same as the one you are referring to.

Is that forum a little more cynical? Yes, but it kills this forum on intelligent conversation. The only thing this forum has going for it, is the traffic.....and well, me.

Maybe you could use an antidepressant?

No, but can I bum a smoke.

Don't think combining sections would lead to anything productive or positive.

Agreed. Don't think its needed.

[sailaway]

The new gigs are something to look forward to,I have travelled via plane to concerts.

It's a recession Mr. Gates. Many can't afford to do as you. Maybe if you would pay your damn taxes... but yeah, like I said for the most part unless your live in South America, its hard to be to excited about the upcoming dates.

The clown forum is an abomination,its a collection of losers with few exceptions.

This forum is EXACTLY the same as the one you are referring to.

Is that forum a little more cynical? Yes, but it kills this forum on intelligent conversation. The only thing this forum has going for it, is the traffic.....and well, me.

Maybe you could use an antidepressant?

No, but can I bum a smoke.

Don't think combining sections would lead to anything productive or positive.

Agreed. Don't think its needed.

Honestly don't see where the clown forum has more intelligent conversation,but I like Dazey's posts.

I do pay my taxes,if I'm going to jail it won't be for tax evasion.

And if I choose to spend my money going to a GNR gig,what is the problem?

[dalsh327]

I like John Fogerty and Robert Smith, Fogerty could easily bill himself as Creedence Clearwater Revival, but doesn't. He plays the casino circuit with a lot of hits under his belt. If he mended fences with his former bandmates, would they be playing stadiums? Prob. not. Then you have Robert Smith who's been the one guy from The Cure from the beginning, and the fans don't seem to have a big issue with that. But he's also rotated a bunch of people in and out of the band from different eras, and even talked about bringing all of them together at some point. Rob Zombie prefers to use his own name instead of White Zombie. Eagles and KISS have two original members, do people complain if Ace and Peter aren't in KISS, or think Meisner & Leadon should still be in the Eagles?

And I don't think Axl was trying to make an industrial album. It was an element he wanted incorporated. He still wanted it to sound like GNR.

To me Chinese Democracy isn't a perfect album, but I think in time it could be considered a classic album. We won't know for another 8-10 years. It'll be interesting to see what happens in this decade as far as new music and upcoming shows go.

[Lines&Noses]

Ill explain this one last time. Please try to read this post. Love guns. Love axl. But axl has fucked up a whole lot. A whole lot. Throughout the past several years. And one nu album, which doesn't really even represent the current lineup of the band, that flat lined shortly after release, and divided fans in half (both with bias and unbias views on both sides of the fence) isn't quite enough to win the majority of fans over. See, as a fan of the band, I reserve the right to express my very warranted criticism. Like it or hate it, if you really read most of my posts with even a half open mind, you will see most of what I say is more based on facts than opinions. The majority of fans AREN'T happy about axl continuing to use the name, the name that had four other helping hands gain the exposure it has today. Can you dispute that? The new nu guys haven't done diddly squat except the same ol tour and the same old songs over and over, year after year (although they do put on one heck of a show, no denying that) for two years now. They have yet to prove they're a band that can stand on their own without relying heavily on the old covers, that again, four or five other guys contributed to, all who are gone. Can you dispute that? As a gnr fan, a certain level of frustration is understandable, and as gnr fans, we have a right to express this. Can you dispute that? If you can, with any of these claims, go for it!

Yeah, duff and izzy performed with axl since. But if they had any say, if they could some how cut the legal rope that ties their hands, do you really think they'd really let axl go on like this? That can be agrued, but I personally don't think so. They love axl, may not understand his ways, but still love him (hey something me and them have in common!), and hell they still get their royalty checks, so why not just keep hush hush about something that's beyond their control? But as fans, we can stand up and say how we feel. Positive or negative. We're the ones that REALLY lose. Or win. Depending how good you can make of a bad situation (my opinion only of course!)

As for being a "slash" fan boy, nice cop out. His solo album was far from my cup of tea, and I don't agree with a lot of what he's been doing post velvet. Did you see my criticism in the thread that talks about him appearing on that disney cartoon? But his legacy is already cemented in stone. His riffs, his solos, the whole nine. Music critics will always have that to remember him by. Like or hate him now, he's EARNED that legacy. Has bumble? Has dj? Again, not yet. Maybe not ever. Only time will tell.

I stick around for hopefully some light at the end of the tunnel. Maybe with that being the nu band taking off, or a reunion of the classic lineup. Ill take either or at this point. When the day comes this band EARNS praise, besides playing same ol same ol, ill be the first one here posting praise. Its really that simple. But until then, ill grab some popcorn, watch the baffling schmunks who can't get their mouths off axls cock long enough to see what's actually going on in the gnr world around them, and keep posting my opinions on what has become of my favorite band.

Just for those who "didn't see it".

Nice post Bobo apart from the cock part! Try not to make it personal?

I agree with most of what you say though.

[sailaway]

I like John Fogerty and Robert Smith, Fogerty could easily bill himself as Creedence Clearwater Revival, but doesn't. He plays the casino circuit with a lot of hits under his belt. If he mended fences with his former bandmates, would they be playing stadiums? Prob. not. Then you have Robert Smith who's been the one guy from The Cure from the beginning, and the fans don't seem to have a big issue with that. But he's also rotated a bunch of people in and out of the band from different eras, and even talked about bringing all of them together at some point. Rob Zombie prefers to use his own name instead of White Zombie. Eagles and KISS have two original members, do people complain if Ace and Peter aren't in KISS, or think Meisner & Leadon should still be in the Eagles?

And I don't think Axl was trying to make an industrial album. It was an element he wanted incorporated. He still wanted it to sound like GNR.

To me Chinese Democracy isn't a perfect album, but I think in time it could be considered a classic album. We won't know for another 8-10 years. It'll be interesting to see what happens in this decade as far as new music and upcoming shows go.

Very true facts and well stated.

Also,there are currently two versions of LA Guns around.

[ITW 2012]

I like John Fogerty and Robert Smith, Fogerty could easily bill himself as Creedence Clearwater Revival, but doesn't. He plays the casino circuit with a lot of hits under his belt. If he mended fences with his former bandmates, would they be playing stadiums? Prob. not. Then you have Robert Smith who's been the one guy from The Cure from the beginning, and the fans don't seem to have a big issue with that. But he's also rotated a bunch of people in and out of the band from different eras, and even talked about bringing all of them together at some point. Rob Zombie prefers to use his own name instead of White Zombie. Eagles and KISS have two original members, do people complain if Ace and Peter aren't in KISS, or think Meisner & Leadon should still be in the Eagles?

And I don't think Axl was trying to make an industrial album. It was an element he wanted incorporated. He still wanted it to sound like GNR.

To me Chinese Democracy isn't a perfect album, but I think in time it could be considered a classic album. We won't know for another 8-10 years. It'll be interesting to see what happens in this decade as far as new music and upcoming shows go.

If Axl had released 3 albums of good material by now with NuGuns he would be taking a lot less shit about the name but one album under the Guns banner in 15 years and his lack of communications makes him a target............

That pretty much sums it up.

[ITW 2012]

I like John Fogerty and Robert Smith, Fogerty could easily bill himself as Creedence Clearwater Revival, but doesn't. He plays the casino circuit with a lot of hits under his belt. If he mended fences with his former bandmates, would they be playing stadiums? Prob. not. Then you have Robert Smith who's been the one guy from The Cure from the beginning, and the fans don't seem to have a big issue with that. But he's also rotated a bunch of people in and out of the band from different eras, and even talked about bringing all of them together at some point. Rob Zombie prefers to use his own name instead of White Zombie. Eagles and KISS have two original members, do people complain if Ace and Peter aren't in KISS, or think Meisner & Leadon should still be in the Eagles?

And I don't think Axl was trying to make an industrial album. It was an element he wanted incorporated. He still wanted it to sound like GNR.

To me Chinese Democracy isn't a perfect album, but I think in time it could be considered a classic album. We won't know for another 8-10 years. It'll be interesting to see what happens in this decade as far as new music and upcoming shows go.

If Axl had released 3 albums of good material by now with NuGuns he would be taking a lot less shit about the name but one album under the Guns banner in 15 years and his lack of communications makes him a target............

We all want new music. It is what it is. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

That answer just isn't good enough.

[Apollo]

I like John Fogerty and Robert Smith, Fogerty could easily bill himself as Creedence Clearwater Revival, but doesn't. He plays the casino circuit with a lot of hits under his belt. If he mended fences with his former bandmates, would they be playing stadiums? Prob. not. Then you have Robert Smith who's been the one guy from The Cure from the beginning, and the fans don't seem to have a big issue with that. But he's also rotated a bunch of people in and out of the band from different eras, and even talked about bringing all of them together at some point. Rob Zombie prefers to use his own name instead of White Zombie. Eagles and KISS have two original members, do people complain if Ace and Peter aren't in KISS, or think Meisner & Leadon should still be in the Eagles?

And I don't think Axl was trying to make an industrial album. It was an element he wanted incorporated. He still wanted it to sound like GNR.

To me Chineuse Democracy isn't a perfect album, but I think in time it could be considered a classic album. We won't know for another 8-10 years. It'll be interesting to see what happens in this decade as far as new music and upcoming shows go.

If Axl had released 3 albums of good material by now with NuGuns he would be taking a lot less shit about the name but one album under the Guns banner in 15 years and his lack of communications makes him a target............

True. And that's all we want as fans. More music. Mindboggling that Axl isn't putting more out.

But again, I disagree with you and a couple others about the name issue. I don't think most rock fans care about the "name" as much as a few posters on here do.

In the overall scheme of life, the name of a band means nothing. Calling his band GnR or Axls Band....neither name has an effect on how good the music is. I personally could care less about the name. And I don't understand why you guys are still debating it 15 years later.

[uzi your illusion]

Well it wasn't meant to be about if it was right or wrong to keep the name, that has been kicked around more times then anyone would like to remember. People have formed their opinions by now and no one is going to convince anyone to change their mind no matter how good the argument is. The original post was 4 questions about the hostility in the media over the band name, not if it existed or not because that it quite clear. It was asking if the band would of been looked at this negatively if the 2002 VMA's and tour would of went off better? Did the strength and response of the 2006 leaks/2007 tour quiet most of the nonsense regarding his right to use the name? Does America judge Axl harsher then other countries for using the name because it could of been one of the few legendary rock acts to hail from here? And finally, did Axl's "homework assignment" in the 2008 chats legitimize his claim to the name in your eyes? That was how the topic started, even though many of the posts chose to disregard the questions and it got into a stupid pissing match between the Axl and Slash camps , it tapered down and we did get some pretty decent discussion.

[Apollo]

Bobo then that is a shame.

I've got no problem if a music fan declines to go see GnR play if they aren't big Axl fans. If they are Slash diehards and are interested in seeing Axl if he is with .....some combo of Slash, Duff, Izzy, Adler, Sorum, Gilby. (Though i wonder what their combo tolerance is. If its Axl, Slash and Sorum do they go? If its Axl, Izzy, Duff and Asleep do they go?)

My issue is if they don't go because this isn't - in their minds - the real GnR. A rock and roll show should be 2-3 hours of rock and roll fun. The "name" shouldn't matter. I've seen David lee roth, Izzy, dio, don dokken, and other singers doom solo shows....and they played songs from their old bands....and that's all that mattered to me. Two hours of rock music. That's why we see bands that haven't broke yet.

We don't go to see rock because of the "name" of the band. We go to rock out for a couple hours.

See the difference?

If your friends didn't go because they don't like Axl - that's fine. But if they didnt go because they have issues with him keeping the name? That's just lame. I will go see a band I've never heard of - just to see some live rock. But your friends don't want to go party and have a good time because of the name of a band? I will never understand that logic.

[Apollo]

Norte ....I respectfully disagree.

If people feel that strongly about the name issue there is a brilliant way to make that known. Don't attend shows. Don't buy the new albums. Don't hang out at GnR forums. It is music, not life or death.

Nothing Axl does now with the GnR name should have any effect on how much you love the old songs.

See, I agree with a lot of the people like you on the form. I'm flabbergasted and frustrated every day that Axl has only put out one album. And I hate the revolving members in the band. I hate the lack of communicating with the fans. I hate the late show starts. I don't get it. I don't understand it. I don't like it. And if I was Axl and only wanted to release "masterpieces" of perfect songs....then I would release my out-takes or B-sides in the meantime, just as PRESENTS or as thank yous to my fans. Here is an 8 song ep of songs that didn't make CD. Here are some songs on ITunes for your enjoyment.

Or even better yet. Do a box set of unreleased material. Old songs, covers, songs that didn't make CD, acoustic persons and live versions of a couple songs. Throw in a concert Dvd. That would tide fans over.

The difference between me and a few of you is that I don't obsess about all the negative. You and I can't change if. We can't force Axl to do anything. I agree with some of what you guys say.....I just don't see the point of whining about it everyday of my life.

And especially don't see the point of crying everyday about things that we fans really have no clue about. None of us really know what went on behind the scenes with the old band. None of us really know why Axl isn't releasing music today. None of us know what Axls mental state is. None of us really know the relationship behind axl and current band members. Haters will say something about Axls mental state, talk about his history with Slash, say he is afraid to release the next album, call the new members hired hands and puppets, etc...when that is all 100% speculation on their part.

I just don't understand why anybody would want to focus on such negative stuff on a daily basis. And Im not being a smartass when I use the example that Duff and Izzy and Slash have moved on- maybe fans should as well. I don't mean to forget the past. Just stop obsessing about it, because no amount of crying is going to change what happened. And if Duff can get up and jam with GnR on stage....and hang out with Axl in person.....then who the hell am I - a fan - to still carry a grudge?

A fan should not hold more of a grudge than Duff does.

[WhazUp]

This forum is filled with a bunch of people who can't seem to respect someone's view of the band.

Until the people who bash Axl for no reason start respecting the current band (not forcing you to like them, just give respect) things will never change. And until the people who bash Slash, or try to downplay his contributions on a semi-regular or regular basis stop doing so things will never change (calling him Saul would fall into that category too )

If you are one of the people who goes "its always the Axl haters who start it" or "its always the Slash haters who start it" you are most likely part of the problem too

It reminds me of US politics. It is always the extremists who get the most attention in the media. The problem isn't being a democrat or republican - both parties have valid points. The extremists and close-minded folks are the ones who stir up the majority of the aggressive arguments, and even though democrats and republicans may disagree, they can disagree in a respectful manner. You can point the finger all you want, it doesn't help anyone until you get out and make a difference in making the world a better place.

The same can apply here. I am a person who prefers the old band, to me nothing can come close to the magic of AFD up through the Illusion records. But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the new band. Chinese Democracy, although flawed as hell IMO is still a solid album with great musicians and songwriting. I respect the current musicians and hope for a US tour so I can rock out along with other GNR fans watching Axl and the guys blast through some cool tunes. I want to hear new material cause this lineup is great

See, even though I prefer the old band I respect the hell out of the current lineup. You don't like Slash? That's cool, but it is insane to deny his unique contributions and talent he brought to the band. Constantly putting down his new material is not that much better either - there is a difference between not liking it and posting constantly about it just to express how much you hate his current stuff. Making threads and posts constantly doing so is counter-productive. You don't like Axl's vision of the new incarnation of GNR? That's cool too, as long you express your concerns in a light that is respectful and not outright hateful there shouldn't be nearly as many arguments here

Cause respect is a two way street and all we really want is peace

Edited August 12, 2011 by WhazUp

[sailaway]

I like John Fogerty and Robert Smith, Fogerty could easily bill himself as Creedence Clearwater Revival, but doesn't. He plays the casino circuit with a lot of hits under his belt. If he mended fences with his former bandmates, would they be playing stadiums? Prob. not. Then you have Robert Smith who's been the one guy from The Cure from the beginning, and the fans don't seem to have a big issue with that. But he's also rotated a bunch of people in and out of the band from different eras, and even talked about bringing all of them together at some point. Rob Zombie prefers to use his own name instead of White Zombie. Eagles and KISS have two original members, do people complain if Ace and Peter aren't in KISS, or think Meisner & Leadon should still be in the Eagles?

And I don't think Axl was trying to make an industrial album. It was an element he wanted incorporated. He still wanted it to sound like GNR.

To me Chineuse Democracy isn't a perfect album, but I think in time it could be considered a classic album. We won't know for another 8-10 years. It'll be interesting to see what happens in this decade as far as new music and upcoming shows go.

If Axl had released 3 albums of good material by now with NuGuns he would be taking a lot less shit about the name but one album under the Guns banner in 15 years and his lack of communications makes him a target............

True. And that's all we want as fans. More music. Mindboggling that Axl isn't putting more out.

But again, I disagree with you and a couple others about the name issue. I don't think most rock fans care about the "name" as much as a few posters on here do.

In the overall schepme of life, the name of a band means nothing. Calling his band GnR or Axls Band....neither name has an effect on how good the music is. I personally could care less about the name. And I don't understand why you guys are still debating it 15 years later.

It's actually a moot point at this juncture,Axl has GNR legally,and if you get your panties in a bunch about it,don't go see them,don't buy their Albums and merchandise. I wouldn't care if the name of the band was Sister Mary Fuckface,if I liked the music I'd be all about going to their gigs,and keeping abreast of news about them.

So coming here on a daily basis to whine does no good whatsoever.Would love to hear some new music,and I think we will soon.

You don't get the right to infringe into someone's personal life just because you like their music.

[Apollo]

This forum is filled with a bunch of people who can't seem to respect someone's view of the band.

Until the people who bash Axl for no reason start respecting the current band (not forcing you to like them, just give respect) things will never change. And until the people who bash Slash, or try to downplay his contributions on a semi-regular or regular basis stop doing so things will never change (calling him Saul would fall into that category too )

If you are one of the people who goes "its always the Axl haters who start it" or "its always the Slash haters who start it" you are most likely part of the problem too

It reminds me of US politics. It is always the extremists who get the most attention in the media. The problem isn't being a democrat or republican - both parties have valid points. The extremists and close-minded folks are the ones who stir up the majority of the aggressive arguments, and even though democrats and republicans may disagree, they can disagree in a respectful manner. You can point the finger all you want, it doesn't help anyone until you get out and make a difference in making the world a better place.

The same can apply here. I am a person who prefers the old band, to me nothing can come close to the magic of AFD up through the Illusion records. But that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the new band. Chinese Democracy, although flawed as hell IMO is still a solid album with great musicians and songwriting. I respect the current musicians and hope for a US tour so I can rock out along with other GNR fans watching Axl and the guys blast through some cool tunes. I want to hear new material cause this lineup is great

See, even though I prefer the old band I respect the hell out of the current lineup. You don't like Slash? That's cool, but it is insane to deny his unique contributions and talent he brought to the band. Constantly putting down his new material is not that much better either - there is a difference between not liking it and posting constantly about it just to express how much you hate his current stuff. Making threads and posts constantly doing so is counter-productive. You don't like Axl's vision of the new incarnation of GNR? That's cool too, as long you express your concerns in a light that is respectful and not outright hateful there shouldn't be nearly as many arguments here

Cause respect is a two way street and all we really want is peace

Great post.

The problem on this forum is that both sides think it is the OTHER fan-base that is wrong and obsessive. And they think that their opinion is 100% fact.

I can give a bit....just like a poster like classic can give a little bit.....and we can have an intelligent debate. Even tho I think he is wrong on 90% of what he says, we can have a civilized debate.

But then there is a clown on here who will say that no Axl fans will ever respond to his questions or engage him in a civilized debate....and then a paragraph later will say that if u say something positive about Axl or the Cd its because "you have axls cock in your mouth." And the sad thing is that poster has no clue that he is part of the boards problem!!!

Appetite, illusions, lies and CD are all in my top 10 favorite albums of all-time.

[Guest siliconmessiah]

I've got no problem if a music fan declines to go see GnR play if they aren't big Axl fans. If they are Slash diehards and are interested in seeing Axl if he is with .....some combo of Slash, Duff, Izzy, Adler, Sorum, Gilby. (Though i wonder what their combo tolerance is.

Groghan.

Now. Let me tell you one thing.

For most of us fans here, it´s no big deal of what fucking combo that GNR consists of. Of course I have my opinions about some members, like anyone else. But for most of us fans, it´s not the biggest deal around GNR. Ronald McfuckingDonald could put on a pretty good gnr-show if he wanted to. Even that would be alright with me!

The only thing that majority of Guns N´ Roses fans want, ís just some fucking info, some fucking rock music and stop doing the long overdue AFD-tour and Axl to stop turning Guns N´ Roses into a nostalgia act with cover songs. On the other hand, if touring only AFD and CD really is Axl´s vision, fine, but then it would be appropriate bring back the players that actually made those albums.

Edited August 13, 2011 by siliconmessiah

[Apollo]

Hhmm. This coming from the guy who made homophobic slurs about me and who made the brilliant statement to an CD fan to "take axls cock out of your mouth."

Respect is a two way street. You have to give it to receive it.

And rally the troops? You crack me up.

[sailaway]

Hhmm. This coming from the guy who made homophobic slurs about me and who made the brilliant statement to an CD fan to "take axls cock out of your mouth."

Respect is a two way street. You have to give it to receive it.

And rally the troops? You crack me up.

Groghan,rally the troops! Gonna call the CIA and the FBI! (Don't think the IRS would be helpful in this case) :lol:

[Apollo]

I don't remember how that conversation went down, you'd have to point it out, but it certainly wasnt just because the member liked chinese democracy.

EDIT: As for the "homophobic" slur against you, don't be sucha little cry baby. Everytime wed "debate", you would throw your two cents, id throw mine, then you'd run off into another thread, find my post, and pretty much say the same thing. And it happened quite a few times before I went off on you. Seemed like you were pretty fascinated by me for some reason. As for the "axls cock" statement, I honestly don't remember how that went down or who that was even to.

And again what about what I said about volcano? I never here you piss and moan about people taking unfair jabs about slash in the former member sections. Respect is a two way street, right?

Bobbo. In one post you actually accused me of "running away" from you. Then about three sentences later you accused me of having a crush on you because I was responding to all your posts. See how silly that is?

If Volcano is going to the old gunners section just to badmouth the old guys.....then that would be similar to what you and 4-5 others do in the CURRENT band section. And I would support him doing that at all.

But volcano defending Axl and co in the current GnR section...I've got no problem with that. He is a HUGE fan of the band. And it makes way more sense for a die-hard fan to post positive things in that bands forum than it does for people to post negative things about that band.

All you guys proclaim to be fans....but 90% of what u post is negative. That's what I will never understand. You say that we keep repeating the same thing....but so do u guys!!!! We get it. Your frustrated with what Axl is doing to the GnR name. Some of u blame him for all that went wrong with the old band. That's your prerogative!!! I just don't get why u would want to repeat the same message 10 times a day.

Volcano comes here because he loves the new band.....some of u guys come here just to let everyone know you are frustrated with the band. Daily. In every topic. It just gets old.

And my favorite example is still Duff. The breakup and Axl keeping the name actually effected his life and career. But he has moved on and actually moved on enough to join the new band on stage!!!!! But some fan can't get past it? Fifteen years later and a fan is more upset than Duff??????

Let's all just stop with the name calling and personal insults about those who have a different opinion than we do. It will make the forum a much better place.

I respect that you are a passionate fan and not just somebody always trying to be controversial like Sunny.