DrBrownstone Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Do you have a job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaskagunner Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Im on sailaways side here. had no clue what tl:dr meant. akso his post really hit on the head what i think of msny on this forumThank you Alaska Gunner,I'm not familiar with you,but I had the intentions of squelching some of the constant bickering on here by shedding light on the reasons why it happens.I'm guilty of joking around,and I'm sure I offend people,but I honestly would prefer intelligent discussion,and that sometimes can't be summed up in a short paragraph.We are all Gunners here (I think ) of one degree or another,people take jokes too personally,and it deteriorates into playground mentality arguements.thanks. ive been here since before the first vegas new years show 12 yrs ago. finally signed up at some point. dont post much but have expressed my dislike for arguementative or trolling users more than enough lately and your research summed it up well. guess if they cant read it through that may prove your point. good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailaway Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 Im on sailaways side here. had no clue what tl:dr meant. akso his post really hit on the head what i think of msny on this forumThank you Alaska Gunner,I'm not familiar with you,but I had the intentions of squelching some of the constant bickering on here by shedding light on the reasons why it happens.I'm guilty of joking around,and I'm sure I offend people,but I honestly would prefer intelligent discussion,and that sometimes can't be summed up in a short paragraph.We are all Gunners here (I think ) of one degree or another,people take jokes too personally,and it deteriorates into playground mentality arguements.thanks. ive been here since before the first vegas new years show 12 yrs ago. finally signed up at some point. dont post much but have expressed my dislike for arguementative or trolling users more than enough lately and your research summed it up well. guess if they cant read it through that may prove your point. good read.I'm sure some can,but choose not to, Hope to hear you become more vocal in the future.Opinions can vary,and conflicts will invariably arise,eruptions of temper will happen,but it seems to be on the upswing lately.Have a great night man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailaway Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 Do you have a job?Wow,random All Gods Chillun Gots occupations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Sailway, vc é brazuca?Anyways, I think Cracked really nailed about the haters (or just the really negative people) here:#6. Being "Cynical"When you are a kid, in most cases the world is bright and sunny, mom and dad are the best, Santa Claus is real, nobody dies even in movies, etc. The next stage of life is when all these illusions start getting shattered. That wasn't really Mickey Mouse, that was just a Disney employee in a suit. Some of the other kids don't have a mom, or a dad, or are scared of them. The pony you got doesn't talk, it just eats and poops.So when you're an adolescent, you tend to think you have finally gotten to the bottom of things. For years you had been living a lie, but now this -- all these negative things, all these clouds behind silver linings -- this is the reality behind the facade. A mature, observant person (like you) is therefore someone who can see the negative (or "realistic") side of everything. Someone who sees positive things is clearly behind you, at the innocent child stage.But life doesn't stop there. As you grow into an adult, you find out it's not a simple two-step process of positive illusion then negative reality, but more like the Frogurt routine from The Simpsons. When you're a kid, you think owning a puppy will be all sunshine and roses. Then as you get older and take responsibility, you realize it's a lot of poop and barking. But then, after a while, you find out all the poop and barking doesn't matter when he loves you just the same no matter what stupid mistakes you've made. Then you realize you didn't know how much it would hurt when you lost him. Then you get a free Frogurt from the vet. But then the Frogurt contains potassium benzoate.There is no final answer. Observant, curious people keep finding out more and more about everything in life, both good and bad, because life is fucking complex. The person who stops at stage 2, decides they've figured out "the real story" and stops looking has their curiosity stunted at adolescence.People pride themselves on being cynical because they think it makes them street-smart and sharp-eyed, able to see the truth behind everyone's bullshit. If it's a matter of being skeptical, and always thinking and asking questions, that's not a bad thing.But a real wise person of the world keeps looking for all the angles -- curse or Frogurt, cloud or silver lining. They look for all sides of the story instead of assuming there are only two. Being proud that you are able to jump to a negative answer quickly -- that's just something most people figure out by turning 14.Read more: The 7 Stupidest Things That Make People Proud | Cracked.com http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-stupidest-things-that-make-people-proud/#ixzz1kQluS200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Always look on the bright side of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flayer Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 We have TvTropes and Cracked readers here. Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Horse Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I don't have time to read such a long piece of crap!You haven´t read it, how do you know it´s crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailaway Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 Sailway, vc é brazuca?Anyways, I think Cracked really nailed about the haters (or just the really negative people) here:#6. Being "Cynical"When you are a kid, in most cases the world is bright and sunny, mom and dad are the best, Santa Claus is real, nobody dies even in movies, etc. The next stage of life is when all these illusions start getting shattered. That wasn't really Mickey Mouse, that was just a Disney employee in a suit. Some of the other kids don't have a mom, or a dad, or are scared of them. The pony you got doesn't talk, it just eats and poops.So when you're an adolescent, you tend to think you have finally gotten to the bottom of things. For years you had been living a lie, but now this -- all these negative things, all these clouds behind silver linings -- this is the reality behind the facade. A mature, observant person (like you) is therefore someone who can see the negative (or "realistic") side of everything. Someone who sees positive things is clearly behind you, at the innocent child stage.But life doesn't stop there. As you grow into an adult, you find out it's not a simple two-step process of positive illusion then negative reality, but more like the Frogurt routine from The Simpsons. When you're a kid, you think owning a puppy will be all sunshine and roses. Then as you get older and take responsibility, you realize it's a lot of poop and barking. But then, after a while, you find out all the poop and barking doesn't matter when he loves you just the same no matter what stupid mistakes you've made. Then you realize you didn't know how much it would hurt when you lost him. Then you get a free Frogurt from the vet. But then the Frogurt contains potassium benzoate.There is no final answer. Observant, curious people keep finding out more and more about everything in life, both good and bad, because life is fucking complex. The person who stops at stage 2, decides they've figured out "the real story" and stops looking has their curiosity stunted at adolescence.People pride themselves on being cynical because they think it makes them street-smart and sharp-eyed, able to see the truth behind everyone's bullshit. If it's a matter of being skeptical, and always thinking and asking questions, that's not a bad thing.But a real wise person of the world keeps looking for all the angles -- curse or Frogurt, cloud or silver lining. They look for all sides of the story instead of assuming there are only two. Being proud that you are able to jump to a negative answer quickly -- that's just something most people figure out by turning 14.Read more: The 7 Stupidest Things That Make People Proud | Cracked.com http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-stupidest-things-that-make-people-proud/#ixzz1kQluS200Great Post Voodoo!! Thank you for posting it and the link!!One of the drawbacks of being over 40,is that life experiences have affected,and in many cases have left mental scar tissue,so if you are perceptive,along with older and wiser,you lose part of your innocence.I like to stay positive,avoid negative people like the plague,and hold on to my innocence,along with whatever parts of my soul are left,a virtual mass of contradictions,admittedly.Please feel free to pm me articles you come across,I'm a voracious reader.Still stuck in perpetual adolescence,we have to grow older,but growing up is a choice-in many ways I still feel and act 20,but there are some bittersweet memories that haunt and undoubtedly affect me to a degree.Anybody else over 40,going on 20? Thanks again voodoo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuddMckagan Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I didn't read it, but the fact that it's from Tv Tropes makes me smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphyra Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 "The public is a ferocious beast: one must chain him up or flee from him. " —VoltaireA good fandom is successful by having a diverse community of people who share a mutual interest in the shared object of the fandom, but nevertheless remain mature and sensible enough to tolerate and respect differences of opinion. Most people in fandoms actually are like this.Then there's Fan Dumb. Fan Dumb is the underbelly, where Serious Business becomes obsession. They are the fans who claim to be the watchdogs of their fandom, but in reality, they're the rabid dogs that need putting down. It's tempting to say literally.The key characteristics of a Fan Dumb tend to be someone with an over-developed sense of entitlement and / or victimization and, usually, an under-developed sense of humour or perspective about the subject of their fandom, coupled with an obsessive level of an interest and, frequently, some rather irrational views on the whole thing. They usually believe that the very fact that they are a fan of something entitles them to special or exclusive treatment or that they are being persecuted by numerous different parties (the creator, the producers, other fans, the world at large, etc) because of their fandom.They are nearly always someone who has completely lost perspective on exactly how important or special the show, the fandom and their views on same is in the scheme of things,and don't understand why others don't feel the same as they do. As a result of all of this, they tend to view even polite or minor disagreement with them and their views as a personal attack, which often leads to them adopting an irrationally combative, defensive tone towards others; in discussion, they will usually resort to unrelated ad hominem attacks on others and place value judgments on them,not their arguments —expect snide comments about race, gender, sexual orientation, age, etc. ("Oh, you just think that because you're black/female/gay/old....!") And any jokes made about the subject of the fandom (or them) will be responded to either with out-of-proportion offence or a humourless deconstruction of why the joke is 'inaccurate'.The end result of all this is someone who believes passionately that they're the champion elite of the fandom, guarding and preserving what makes it special, whilst ultimately contributing little of any actual value to the property or the fandom, even contributing to its ruining in the process. As a general rule of thumb, the phrase "True Fans " (or some variation thereof) being thrown around is an identifying signal that you're dealing with Fan Dumb,particularly if it's being self-applied; the subtext (or text), of course, is "I'm a True Fan, and you're not."Although a Fan Dumb often holds idiosyncratic views about the show and demonstrates a passionate interest in it, it is important to note that neither controversial views or intense interest are themselves indication of Fan Dumb; differing viewpoints are inevitable in a large gathering of people (and knee-jerk objection to a differing opinion simply because it's a differing opinion is often a good sign that you belong in Fan Dumb yourself), and most people join fandoms in the first place because they're passionate about something and they want to celebrate it with other people who find it special. Many people manage to hold contrary or passionately enthusiastic viewpoints whilst still remaining civil and decent; similarly, many dismissed as Fan Dumb hold views that, on the surface, are actually quite reasonable. The problem with Fan Dumb is not the level of interest or the viewpoint, but the way it is expressed; even a reasonable argument will sound insane if it's being screamed in someone's face.Taking these fans too seriously is usually a mistake. Although they tend to be louder than the rest of the fanbase combined, they are usually a decided minority in almost every fandom (though they often claim to be a majority). Fan Dumb also tends to suffer from an extreme case of Fan Myopia,regardless of what kind they are; in any variation, they are often intractably convinced that the views of "the fans" (or perhaps more accurately, their personal views, which they tend to confuse with the views of fandom as a whole) are both more widespread and more mainstream than in fact they are. If you're a producer, then pandering to them is usually a good way to make your show crash and burn. And to add insult to injury, they usually won't be very grateful that you were thinking about them, but will instead start whining about how you made the show crash and burn.See also Single Issue Wonk. A specific example is Die for Our Ship. And do visit this JournalFen community ,dedicated to collecting the most spectacular cases of Fan Dumb. Fan Dumb is a number one contributing factor to both Artist Disillusionment and Fan Disillusionment. Although often a minority, the shrill obnoxiousness of this kind of fan has nevertheless permeated enough people's impressions to construct the stereotype of the Straw Fan. Can be confused easily with a cupcake,but, as a rule of thumb, bear in mind that a Fan Dumb is NOT a cupcake. See also Unpleasable Fanbase and Broken Base for the massive versions of this.Compare with Viewers Are Morons. Contrast with Hate Dumb,although the two have been known to spawn one another.Sadly, every fandom has to and/or has had to deal with this and all of its variations...no matter how much they deny it and how much they wish this problem didn't exist. Trust us, these people even annoy the makers of the shows that you like as much as they annoy the rest of us. We admit that even TV Tropes has its problems with Fan Dumb of its own. Don't worry, Fan Dumb are usually just a Vocal Minority. Keep that in mind if you decide to put this as an example to any media or see this in any media here. Most of them,including yourself (unless you actually do fit this and you know if you are) are not complete and utter morons and just want to enjoy it like everyone else.As a footnote, to a devoted member of the Hatedom, any form of Fandom appears like Fan Dumb. Fan Dumb and Hate Dumb are light and darkness in these regards in that one cannot exist without the other (and that in this case they're usually as equally bad as each other).Goddamit.. Too much letter.. Couldn't read it O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailaway Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well,some things can't be expressed in two sentences,I like to read,guess that makes me Uncool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphyra Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well,some things can't be expressed in two sentences,I like to read,guess that makes me Uncool No man(woman).. You're cool. I like to read too I just don't have enough time for this now. Joking about "too much letters" of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailaway Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well,some things can't be expressed in two sentences,I like to read,guess that makes me Uncool No man(woman).. You're cool. I like to read too I just don't have enough time for this now. Joking about "too much letters" of course Man, I can tell because I piss standing up I'm an insatiable reader,actual books,not porn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphyra Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well,some things can't be expressed in two sentences,I like to read,guess that makes me Uncool No man(woman).. You're cool. I like to read too I just don't have enough time for this now. Joking about "too much letters" of course Man, I can tell because I piss standing up Hahahaha I'm an insatiable reader,actual books,not porn! Who knows.. >D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailaway Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well,some things can't be expressed in two sentences,I like to read,guess that makes me Uncool No man(woman).. You're cool. I like to read too I just don't have enough time for this now. Joking about "too much letters" of course Man, I can tell because I piss standing up Hahahaha I'm an insatiable reader,actual books,not porn! Who knows.. >DNot a bastion of morality,but why buy porn books/mags when cable TV broadcasts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphyra Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well,some things can't be expressed in two sentences,I like to read,guess that makes me Uncool No man(woman).. You're cool. I like to read too I just don't have enough time for this now. Joking about "too much letters" of course Man, I can tell because I piss standing up Hahahaha I'm an insatiable reader,actual books,not porn! Who knows.. >DNot a bastion of morality,but why buy porn books/mags when cable TV broadcasts?Well maybe you like to READ, not to watch.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailaway Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well,some things can't be expressed in two sentences,I like to read,guess that makes me Uncool No man(woman).. You're cool. I like to read too I just don't have enough time for this now. Joking about "too much letters" of course Man, I can tell because I piss standing up Hahahaha I'm an insatiable reader,actual books,not porn! Who knows.. >DNot a bastion of morality,but why buy porn books/mags when cable TV broadcasts?Well maybe you like to READ, not to watch.. Actual participation is better than reading OR watching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphyra Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Well,some things can't be expressed in two sentences,I like to read,guess that makes me Uncool No man(woman).. You're cool. I like to read too I just don't have enough time for this now. Joking about "too much letters" of course Man, I can tell because I piss standing up Hahahaha I'm an insatiable reader,actual books,not porn! Who knows.. >DNot a bastion of morality,but why buy porn books/mags when cable TV broadcasts?Well maybe you like to READ, not to watch.. Actual participation is better than reading OR watching No doubts about that! Edited January 26, 2012 by Saphyra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailaway Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well,some things can't be expressed in two sentences,I like to read,guess that makes me Uncool No man(woman).. You're cool. I like to read too I just don't have enough time for this now. Joking about "too much letters" of course Man, I can tell because I piss standing up Hahahaha I'm an insatiable reader,actual books,not porn! Who knows.. Not a bastion of morality,but why buy porn books/mags when cable TV broadcasts?Well maybe you like to READ, not to watch.. Actual participation is better than reading OR watching No doubts about that! HA! We agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphyra Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Well,some things can't be expressed in two sentences,I like to read,guess that makes me Uncool No man(woman).. You're cool. I like to read too I just don't have enough time for this now. Joking about "too much letters" of course Man, I can tell because I piss standing up Hahahaha I'm an insatiable reader,actual books,not porn! Who knows.. Not a bastion of morality,but why buy porn books/mags when cable TV broadcasts?Well maybe you like to READ, not to watch.. Actual participation is better than reading OR watching No doubts about that! HA! We agree Very good off topic conversation :xmassrudolph: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailaway Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Thank you for the witty repartee' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphyra Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Thank you for the witty repartee' Lets go to read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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