James Bond Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 Perhaps. We had our fun. P5 called it in the spoiler tag. Back to the real discussion. Connery doing OHMSS, and Brosnan's best performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 It helps we have a mod in this thread. Powerage got our backs OHMSS would have sucked and the series would have ended there. They needed to get out of that loop. Roger Moore saved James Bond.Will be watching TWINE soon.Anyone ever catch Dalton's Welsh slip ups? The conversation between Bond and Sanchez as his villa about Crest double crossing him had the most obvious slip. Too bad he and Brosnan couldn't go full on Welsh and Irish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I think TND is arguably Brosnan's best performance. See, it's hard for me to answer those kinds of questions, because it's tough to admit that your favorite film by an actor isn't their best performance.It helps we have a mod in this thread. Powerage got our backs OHMSS would have sucked and the series would have ended there. They needed to get out of that loop. Roger Moore saved James Bond.Will be watching TWINE soon.Anyone ever catch Dalton's Welsh slip ups? The conversation between Bond and Sanchez as his villa about Crest double crossing him had the most obvious slip. Too bad he and Brosnan couldn't go full on Welsh and Irish./banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) You bastard!I feel Barb and Mikey are just as much to blame for the Brosnan films as the writing. Its like they had no idea what they are doing since Cubby died. They needed a good actor. Sorry Pierce.Read this not too long ago. Help cope with Sam Mendes' betrayal. Barbara told Sam this is not a country club and no one leaves EON alive.http://whatculture.com/film/bond-24-5-directors-who-could-replace-sam-mendes.php/2 Edited March 7, 2013 by Georgy Zhukov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) I'm kind of surprised the Bond series survived the Hippie era and then the 70s.I mean, by the time '65, '66, '67 rolled around and afterward, everything was long hair, psychedelia, casual dress.I'd imagine, at least in some quarters, Bond (with his short hair, his suit, his hat, etc) seemed already old fashioned and up tight. Sort of like a representation of what already was another time.I think Diamonds Are Forever was the series trying to play catch up, with the over the top, wink and nod sort of lighter tone, Bond having long sideburns, and the villains being gay hippie types. Edited March 7, 2013 by Vincent Vega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlisOld Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I'm kind of surprised the Bond series survived the Hippie era and then the 70s.I mean, by the time '65, '66, '67 rolled around and afterward, everything was long hair, psychedelia, casual dress.I'd imagine, at least in some quarters, Bond (with his short hair, his suit, his hat, etc) seemed already old fashioned and up tight. Sort of like a representation of what already was another time.I think Diamonds Are Forever was the series trying to play catch up, with the over the top, wink and nod sort of lighter tone, Bond having long sideburns, and the villains being gay hippie types.Yea but since hippies were useless and didn't want to spend any money on "the establishment's movies" my guess is they really didn't give a fuck about that demographic. People that actually made their own money still liked the suave badass womanizer.fuck hippies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I'm kind of surprised the Bond series survived the Hippie era and then the 70s.I mean, by the time '65, '66, '67 rolled around and afterward, everything was long hair, psychedelia, casual dress.I'd imagine, at least in some quarters, Bond (with his short hair, his suit, his hat, etc) seemed already old fashioned and up tight. Sort of like a representation of what already was another time.I think Diamonds Are Forever was the series trying to play catch up, with the over the top, wink and nod sort of lighter tone, Bond having long sideburns, and the villains being gay hippie types.Yea but since hippies were useless and didn't want to spend any money on "the establishment's movies" my guess is they really didn't give a fuck about that demographic. People that actually made their own money still liked the suave badass womanizer.fuck hippies.I'm just saying, like overnight, everything changed from the Bond era, that it could've rendered Bond as a kind of Kennedy era relic. 1962 and 1969 are like world's apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) Have you seen one (there are two) of the Moore gun barrel sequences? He has flaired pants. Edited March 7, 2013 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyman Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I'm surprised his knees didn't buckle when he did the gun barrel for AVTAK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 That's because it was the same gun barrel from TSWLM, so he was a solid 8 years younger for the first 20 seconds of the film. His first gun barrel was used for LALD and TMWTGG. With TSWLM they starting filming in anamorphic widescreen again so they had to shoot a new barrel (the flaired pants one) and that was reused for the rest of his films.Craig so far is the only actor to have filmed a different one for each film. Connery technically only did one (stuntman Bob Simmons did the one used for the first three Connery films). Moore filmed two. The rest only filmed one each. The more you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 They made such a mess of it with Craig. Understand the unique nature of Casino Royale's but it certainly should have been placed at the start of QOS and Skyfall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 All I can think of is Lana Wood's cleavage.Speaking of which, Pierce Brosnan totally looked like he wanted Maria Grazia Cucinotta in TWINE. Watching TWINE now. Goddamn she looks so good this might be my favorite pre-title sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 The pre-title sequence is really all TWINE has going for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 The pre-title sequence is really all TWINE has going for it Couldn't agree more. It was all downhill from there. I shouldn't speak so soon since I have Die Another Day to watch.But Maria is hotter than both Denise and Sophie combined. What lame vilains. Renard can't feel pain yet he goes ow when Bond hits him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 Renard was a huge letdown after such a big build-up. So much wasted potential. The pre-title sequence is definitely one of the best though. It's still the longest even though Skyfall's came pretty close. It was originally supposed to end after Bond escapes the bank and then the boat chase would have been after the titles but in post-production Michael Apted felt it wasn't exciting enough and moved it around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I like how it is. Segues into the title sequence perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) I timed it, Skyfall was about 2 minutes from beating TWINE's record.My favorite pre-titlesSkyfallTWINEDADSWLMMoonrakerCRGoldfingerFRWLOHMSS "This never happened to the other fellow"OctopussyGoldeneyeI think Apted made the right decision. Edited March 8, 2013 by Georgy Zhukov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 Hard to beat TWINE's pre-title sequence in a ranking, that's for sure. Still not sure where I place Skyfall. It's awesome and exciting all the same but I'm undecided if it moves TWINE out or not. I still wish Bond getting shot wasn't spoiled in the trailer. Some critics felt it was too long (TWINE's that is) but I agree that Apted made the right choice.I like the simplicity of Goldfinger's and Thunderball's. Five minutes of excitement that has next to nothing to do with the plot. Just a bit of fun to get you warmed up. I wouldn't object to another pre-titles in that style.Die Another Day's is one of the best things about the film. Great pre-titles, and despite the shitty Madonna song I like how they worked the torture in the titles itself. Pretty innovative idea. Kleinman always delivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Goldeneye has the greatest PTS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Klienmen would have made Binder happy. He went all out with Skyfall but I am not sure if I like it better than GoldenEye or Casino Royale. Binder would have added more naked women.I'd like to have something like Goldfinger and Thunderball. But those pre-titles were pretty rare since writers use them to start the story. Octopussy and For Your Eyes Only are the only others I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 The only Kleinman title sequence I didn't like was Tomorrow Never Dies. Otherwise, he's definitely the right man for the job. You can see the Binder influence but he adds his own stamp. The uniqueness of the CR titles makes it one of the series best and probably my favorite. Not to mention Chris Cornell's awesome song accompanying it. I'm glad Kleinman was back for Skyfall and trust he'll be sticking around for years to come.With Mendes out I think it's safe to say Newman is also out. I expect we'll see Arnold back unless whoever directs has someone else in mind.For Your Eyes Only's pre-title sequence is terrible. "MISTER BOOOOONNNNDDD!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I don't get why Bond couldn't jump from the helicopter when it was flying over the roof where "Blofeld" was flying him. Just have him jump off and beat the crap out of the cripple. The fact he was a cripple was bad enough.Whoever did QoS was terrible. Looked unfinished. A poor man's Spider-Man 3.Newman is out, Deakins too. Hans Zimmer would be great....with Nolan as director. I wouldn't mind the guy who did Rise of the Planet of the Apes. That film had everything going against it and it turned out to be really good.Or the guy who did Tinker, Tailor Soldier Spy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 They turned Blofeld into a total joke. It's a shame that that is where we last saw Blofeld in the EON series. Terrible. That's the main reason he's my top character I'd love to see reintroduced, especially now that the McClory stuff is finally out of the way for good. I agree that Quantum's is a mess. Too much shaky cam. It's incoherent and not much fun.Honestly I just want Arnold to come back. Newman was great for a change of pace and I thought his score was excellent, but I'm a huge fan of David Arnold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Arnold is great when he tones down the 007 theme. He used it any opportunity he could get in The Brosnan Age. Bond doing his taxes, sitting on the toilet, taking out the trash. He knocked it out of the park with the two Craig films he did. Though Newman is a tough act to follow, especially the cool techno shit. Arnold could easily pass for John Barry.Hamlisch (spelling) did a wonderful job too, Kamen was okay, Conti's music sounded like 80's porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 He relied on it a little too much for the action scenes in the Brosnan films, but I think it's fair to not include TND in that because I think he was mainly trying to make up for the lack of the Bond theme proper in GoldenEye (save for John Altman's re-scored tank chase). Part of that was also probably Michael and Barbara after the weak reception of the GoldenEye score.Kamen was a little too generic for Bond. Decent action music and his Bond theme was pretty cool, but he lacked a central theme for the music in the film. Very forgettable score. Conti's is okay in spots but mostly bad and easily the most dated score. His gun barrel cue is great though with all that cowbell.Hamlisch did a decent job. I liked his use of classical music too. Seems to fit Bond. His Bond '77 theme is lots of fun as dated as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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