Jordan Rose Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Chinese: politicsShacklers: Axl explainedBetter: some bird ( someone in the Sorry thread suggested it's about Slash. ffs: 'you stole my heart'. it's about a bird, Axl doesn't have a boner for Slash)Street of Dreams: some birdIf The World: Black BondThere Was A Time: some bird, probably Steph lolCatcher: Catcher/Salinger/Lennon as Axl explainedScraped: Axl's personal struggles etcSorry: Slash/old bandRhiad: old band/legal issues/lawyers (unlike Sorry the lyrics are quite open and general)I.R.S: some bird and the legal mess she got Axl intoMadagascar: breakup of old band and resurrection of Axl's career (round 2, anyone?)This I Love: some bird, probably StephProstitute: no-i-friggin-deaSome lines seem to be a general reflection on him preferring to choose his own path than prostitute himself the way people in the business would want him to for the sake of money and fame which you could read as getting back with the old band maybe. Other lines seem directed towards a female (love you, affections etc) and the two ideas don't seem to go together. I've never been able to get into the song because the lyrics are annoyingly obtuse and seemingly bad in places.Seems like forever and a dayIf my intentions are misunderstood Please be kindI've done all I shouldI won't ask of you What I would not doOh, I saw the damage in you My fortunate oneThe envy of youthThis sounds like he's talking to a bird about a relationship, it's certainly a specific individual.Why would they tell me To please those That laugh in my face When all of the reasons They've taught us Fall over themselves To give way Is he still addressing the same person here? What has this got to do with anything he was saying before? What do the last four lines even mean; they make absolutely no sense. And incidentally, I absolute hate the multi-layered vocal effects on his voice in these sections. Compared to his beautiful singing in the verses it sounds like a robot and that coupled with the nonsensical lyrics makes it impossible to get into. It would be far more powerful to me if it was just his raw voice and the same goes for the 'If we ever find it's true...' lines in Madagascar. But then we have superior live versions of that and never will for Prostitute because he's given up trying to sing it. It's not a question of Whether my heart is true StreamlinedI had to pull through Look for a new Beginning on you Oh, I got a message for you Up and awayIt's what I gotta do Give what you haveFor what you might loseIt seems like he's back to addressing this bird about the end of their relationship and how he managed to get over it. But again, the last 4 lines are just absolutely crap lyrics. I'm sorry but they really just are crap. People have made fun of 'This I Love' for sounding like a musical which is fucking bullshit, it's just direct and utterly sincere. This is just vague and meandering.What would you say If I told you that I'm to blame And what would you do If I had to deny your name Where would you go if I told you I love you and then walked away An' who should I turn to If not for the ones You could not saveThis is a little more direct and technically makes sense however it means absolutely nothing to anyone except Axl without the context. Why would he have to deny this woman's name. Why would she need to go anywhere if he went back to her, said 'I love you' and walked off and why would he bother doing that anyway? Send her a text, save the effort. Again, last 3 lines, what the fuck. What the actual fuck. I told you when I found you If there were doubts youShould be careful and unafraid Now they surround you And all that amounts to Is love that you fed byPerversion and pain What the driveling shit is he blabbing on about?! I fucking ADORE the album but this is just tosh lyrics. 'when i found you': it sounds like he's talking about an abandoned kitten. Doubts about what? Is it realistic to expect someone to be careful and unafraid at the same time? In what context would this be good advice? I've just met you, if you're having doubts about dating me, be careful and afraid! But now you're full of these doubts about which we know nothing and what that means is.......you answered my love for you by being a cunt to me?? I just don't understand.So if my affections Are misunderstood And you decide I'm up To no good Don't ask me to Enjoy them Just for youBeautiful melody, beautifully sung first few lines, but what the fuck do the last lines mean?!! Don't ask me to enjoy my affections for you, just for you? THAT MAKES NO SENSE. Ask yourselfWhy I would choose To prostitute myselfTo live with fortune and shameOh yeah When you should Have turned to the hearts Of the ones That you would not saveWhat has Axl's desire to be a rock n' roll recluse got to do with this bird and his relationship with her? Who the fuck are the people she wouldn't save? Why should she have turned to them? Jesus, shit me. I told you When I found you All that amounts to Is love that you fed byPerversion and pain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManetsBR Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 If that song was released today I could swear it talks about the whole Hall of Fame incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Rose Posted September 2, 2012 Author Share Posted September 2, 2012 If that song was released today I could swear it talks about the whole Hall of Fame incident.How does the line 'If my affections are misunderstood' fit into that scenario? And the love references? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 When they've done the song live, does he have anything up on the video screen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepfreeze Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 It's about not doing VIP packaged meet-and-greets, and playing on tables for Russian billionaires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Rose Posted September 2, 2012 Author Share Posted September 2, 2012 When they've done the song live, does he have anything up on the video screen?It's only been done at those first few 09 shows, I think, and I don't remember seeing anything on the screens in the vids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 It's about the Las Vegas residency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axl8302 Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Riad isn't about old band/legal issues/lawyers etc, it's about an arms smuggler or something, same guy Civil War is about. It's explained in the unreleased chinese booklet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiraMPD Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I've always thought it was a bit of a summing-up song and is addressed to the listeners/fans (or in some metaphorical way, the band itself?). Like he's going, okay here's what I've made. It's probably not what you are after but I've worked really hard on it and I hope you get where I'm coming form anyway. If not, tough.Idk, I suppose it could be about a number of things; fame, the fans, the band, himself. It could be about the struggles to make the album and being afraid of how people will perceive it. About going against what everyone wants him to do because he doesn't want to whore himself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Riad isn't about old band/legal issues/lawyers etc, it's about an arms smuggler or something, same guy Civil War is about. It's explained in the unreleased chinese booklet.From what I have read Riad was written about Erin's brother in law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axl8302 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Riad isn't about old band/legal issues/lawyers etc, it's about an arms smuggler or something, same guy Civil War is about. It's explained in the unreleased chinese booklet.From what I have read Riad was written about Erin's brother in law.Yep, same guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunsNRevolvers2 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I've always interpreted it as a big "fuck you" to media types and those who have always been pressuring Axl to conform and reform the old band, prostitute himself for money to reunite when he truly doesnt want to?I dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaida Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) pros·ti·tuten.1. One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.2. One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.tr.v. pros·ti·tut·ed, pros·ti·tut·ing, pros·ti·tutes1. To offer (oneself or another) for sexual hire.2. To sell (oneself or one's talent, for example) for an unworthy purpose.It's about Duff and Slash, as they sold the GN'R name to Axl Rose so he could use if for an unworthy purpose Edited September 3, 2012 by vaida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Rose Posted September 3, 2012 Author Share Posted September 3, 2012 I've always thought it was a bit of a summing-up song and is addressed to the listeners/fans (or in some metaphorical way, the band itself?). Like he's going, okay here's what I've made. It's probably not what you are after but I've worked really hard on it and I hope you get where I'm coming form anyway. If not, tough.Idk, I suppose it could be about a number of things; fame, the fans, the band, himself. It could be about the struggles to make the album and being afraid of how people will perceive it. About going against what everyone wants him to do because he doesn't want to whore himself out.This makes a lot of sense but it's impossible to figure out who he's addressing. Some of it seems personal and direct to an individual about specific situations and other parts are so vague. I forgot about the Rhiad thing. 2. One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saber_ Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 It's about a prostitute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I wonder why Axl stopped being so explicit and direct with his lyrics and started going all cryptic. IMO, Prostitute is probably about the whole GnR situation he was in back in the late 90's/early 2000's: fanbase, legal stuff, former bandmates, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkuk04 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 a gigolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 It seems like this is Axl at an older age writing to a girl who was much younger than he was that was going to leave him - maybe to be an escort, maybe to marry someone with a lot of money. Part of it might be targeted towards us, or past managers and bandmates. He might not have put that much thought into writing the song, it might have been an instrumental that was sitting around for years, and one night at the Palms after hours of gambling, clubbing, watching strippers, and session work, could've just started typing away on his laptop, and it just came out like that, or he started making up the words as he was in the booth singing. Usually if there's an original version to a song before it's revised a bunch of times, that's what the song's essentially about. It's like Bob Dylan -was he writing about someone in his life, was it a composite, or was it just something that was all in his head and completely imaginary? You know at some point when he does interviews again, someone's going to ask it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaida Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) I wonder why Axl stopped being so explicit and direct with his lyrics and started going all cryptic. IMO, Prostitute is probably about the whole GnR situation he was in back in the late 90's/early 2000's: fanbase, legal stuff, former bandmates, etc...My guess is Axl is attempting to look big clever mystical with all the cryptic stuff. It also stops his ass being sued should he offend anyone in a too direct (obvious) manner. Get In The Ring is a good example of direct obious lyrics Edited September 3, 2012 by vaida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Rose Posted September 3, 2012 Author Share Posted September 3, 2012 It seems like this is Axl at an older age writing to a girl who was much younger than he was that was going to leave him - maybe to be an escort, maybe to marry someone with a lot of money. Part of it might be targeted towards us, or past managers and bandmates. He might not have put that much thought into writing the song, it might have been an instrumental that was sitting around for years, and one night at the Palms after hours of gambling, clubbing, watching strippers, and session work, could've just started typing away on his laptop, and it just came out like that, or he started making up the words as he was in the booth singing. Usually if there's an original version to a song before it's revised a bunch of times, that's what the song's essentially about. It's like Bob Dylan -was he writing about someone in his life, was it a composite, or was it just something that was all in his head and completely imaginary? You know at some point when he does interviews again, someone's going to ask it...That's what I can't work out: it's like it's about two different things directed at two different people. Lines like 'my fortunate one, the envy of youth': how could that not be about a girl? But then other parts just sounds like him asking 'why would you want me to please the people who've screwed me over?' etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbgnr Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Chinese: politicsShacklers: Axl explainedBetter: some bird ( someone in the Sorry thread suggested it's about Slash. ffs: 'you stole my heart'. it's about a bird, Axl doesn't have a boner for Slash)Street of Dreams: some birdIf The World: Black BondThere Was A Time: some bird, probably Steph lolCatcher: Catcher/Salinger/Lennon as Axl explainedScraped: Axl's personal struggles etcSorry: Slash/old bandRhiad: old band/legal issues/lawyers (unlike Sorry the lyrics are quite open and general)I.R.S: some bird and the legal mess she got Axl intoMadagascar: breakup of old band and resurrection of Axl's career (round 2, anyone?)This I Love: some bird, probably StephProstitute: no-i-friggin-deaSome lines seem to be a general reflection on him preferring to choose his own path than prostitute himself the way people in the business would want him to for the sake of money and fame which you could read as getting back with the old band maybe. Other lines seem directed towards a female (love you, affections etc) and the two ideas don't seem to go together. I've never been able to get into the song because the lyrics are annoyingly obtuse and seemingly bad in places.Seems like forever and a dayIf my intentions are misunderstood Please be kindI've done all I shouldI won't ask of you What I would not doOh, I saw the damage in you My fortunate oneThe envy of youthThis sounds like he's talking to a bird about a relationship, it's certainly a specific individual.Why would they tell me To please those That laugh in my face When all of the reasons They've taught us Fall over themselves To give way Is he still addressing the same person here? What has this got to do with anything he was saying before? What do the last four lines even mean; they make absolutely no sense. And incidentally, I absolute hate the multi-layered vocal effects on his voice in these sections. Compared to his beautiful singing in the verses it sounds like a robot and that coupled with the nonsensical lyrics makes it impossible to get into. It would be far more powerful to me if it was just his raw voice and the same goes for the 'If we ever find it's true...' lines in Madagascar. But then we have superior live versions of that and never will for Prostitute because he's given up trying to sing it. It's not a question of Whether my heart is true StreamlinedI had to pull through Look for a new Beginning on you Oh, I got a message for you Up and awayIt's what I gotta do Give what you haveFor what you might loseIt seems like he's back to addressing this bird about the end of their relationship and how he managed to get over it. But again, the last 4 lines are just absolutely crap lyrics. I'm sorry but they really just are crap. People have made fun of 'This I Love' for sounding like a musical which is fucking bullshit, it's just direct and utterly sincere. This is just vague and meandering.What would you say If I told you that I'm to blame And what would you do If I had to deny your name Where would you go if I told you I love you and then walked away An' who should I turn to If not for the ones You could not saveThis is a little more direct and technically makes sense however it means absolutely nothing to anyone except Axl without the context. Why would he have to deny this woman's name. Why would she need to go anywhere if he went back to her, said 'I love you' and walked off and why would he bother doing that anyway? Send her a text, save the effort. Again, last 3 lines, what the fuck. What the actual fuck. I told you when I found you If there were doubts youShould be careful and unafraid Now they surround you And all that amounts to Is love that you fed byPerversion and pain What the driveling shit is he blabbing on about?! I fucking ADORE the album but this is just tosh lyrics. 'when i found you': it sounds like he's talking about an abandoned kitten. Doubts about what? Is it realistic to expect someone to be careful and unafraid at the same time? In what context would this be good advice? I've just met you, if you're having doubts about dating me, be careful and afraid! But now you're full of these doubts about which we know nothing and what that means is.......you answered my love for you by being a cunt to me?? I just don't understand.So if my affections Are misunderstood And you decide I'm up To no good Don't ask me to Enjoy them Just for youBeautiful melody, beautifully sung first few lines, but what the fuck do the last lines mean?!! Don't ask me to enjoy my affections for you, just for you? THAT MAKES NO SENSE. Ask yourselfWhy I would choose To prostitute myselfTo live with fortune and shameOh yeah When you should Have turned to the hearts Of the ones That you would not saveWhat has Axl's desire to be a rock n' roll recluse got to do with this bird and his relationship with her? Who the fuck are the people she wouldn't save? Why should she have turned to them? Jesus, shit me. I told you When I found you All that amounts to Is love that you fed byPerversion and painThe line is "Love that you crippled for fortune and fame" not "love that you fed by perversion and pain" I used to think it was that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Rose Posted September 3, 2012 Author Share Posted September 3, 2012 Right, the lyrics are wrong all over the net. But that doesn't make it any easier to understand what he's on about or who he's talking to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izzydoezit Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 duh, the song is about a prostitute Axl was dating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiraMPD Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) I wonder why Axl stopped being so explicit and direct with his lyrics and started going all cryptic. IMO, Prostitute is probably about the whole GnR situation he was in back in the late 90's/early 2000's: fanbase, legal stuff, former bandmates, etc...I think maybe it's because the situation is too big and complex to describe with more direct, explicit and simplified lyrics. Writing about drinking, drug abuse, chicks he wanted to bang and people that he dislikes was probably easier to describe with simple and direct lyrics. The Guns situation... fuck I can't even imagine how mixed up his feeling must be about that cuz, as you said, there were so many factors involved. Add that to the fact that he was 25 years younger when he wrote his earlier stuff... maybe he just took a little more "mature" approach to songwriting?To all those saying it's about a prostitute. LOL That being said, I always thought SOD was about a actual prostitute. Edited September 4, 2012 by KiraMPD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcountry Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 To me Prostitute is very simple to explain.....It is a message for the FANS.....1. Explaining he took control of the GNR brand name 2. He didn't want a reunion not matter what the money amount, if it was all about money there would have already been a reunion.3. Last but not least he also apologizes to fans for what he has done if they think he was wrong in what he did, also he posses the same questions to the fans in the song as to what they would do if they had to decide on something like this.I know there are a few more points in the song to list but this is the basic just of the song.I think of CD as a concept record with every song having a very specific meaning to Axl about the old band, legal issues and also the process of getting the album out, but the songs don't come right out and say what that is but you can read between the lines to understand what the song most likely is about. Others spoke in the media consistently about him and Axl done that only a few times that address the old band and it members he used music as his tool to get the message out.So will say BS but it is very obvious to me. I also think that CD suffered with too many slow tempo songs because alot of what he wrote about was easiest to express with a slow song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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