ITG Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I have to go with Azoff at the top of the list. I mean he did broker that Best Buy deal with Chinese Democracy. Can't imagine how that affected him professionally given how the album fared. What are some managers in GN'R's history and how would you rate them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITG Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 And just for kicks, who were the worst GN'R managers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Any answer that isn't Alan Niven and Doug Goldstein, respectively, given your two questions is a wrong answer. One launched the band into the stratosphere and the other put in to kill the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Niven probably most important. Dougie did what was needed. Azzof sold them down the river. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_Stradlin_XX Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Yep, Doug was a good manager, Slash said a lot of shit about him, but he was a great manager.Alan Niven was the best GN'R manager, he made all of this possible. He had a great eye to when it came to tours,he knew exactly were to put ads for Guns shows and he got them to play in Europe before America, wich I stillthink was really really important for the band to be shown in Europe before America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Alan and Doug, definitely. Honorable mention to Merck - I didn't like him at the time, but looking back he really was alright. Not his fault Axl is difficult to work with, and he communicated with the fanbase better than any other manager I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicrawker Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) Alan Niven by a mile but why no love for Vicky Hamilton as she was really the person who gave them their start......... Edited October 27, 2013 by classicrawker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnari Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) And worst is.....................................................................yeah u guessed it.........TEAM BRAZIL Edited October 27, 2013 by gunnari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquor & Whores Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 can sb name all GNR managers with dates ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One.In.A.Million Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 The best GN'R manager in the Nu era was easily Merck. He booked a successful European & US tour which put the band back on the map after the years of silence after 2002. He also booked studio time and hassled Axl to complete Chinese Democracy. Which I believe made it possible for Azoff to push the release through in 2008. He also publicity stood up for Axl when he got arrested in Sweden in 2006, and was a great guy who tried to do his best for the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfuckinga Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Merck and TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) It depends what your allegiance is. Taking out allegiances, and considering which managers actually accomplished their goals:1. Team Brazil - total control of Axl Rose, irrespective of what they've done with GNR2. Alan Niven - brokered that crucial renegotiation with a notoriously difficult David Geffen3. Irving Azoff - hatched the deal that directly led to the release of "Chinese Democracy"4. Merck Mercuriadis - strengthened relations with the fanbase, oversaw a strong 20065. Doug Goldstein - drove a wedge between the key personalities in old GNR6. Doc McGhee - abysmally short tenure Edited October 27, 2013 by NGOG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 There was also another manager in 2011 no? Pete something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 There was also another manager in 2011 no? Pete something?Oh yeah - Peter Katsis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Merck had the right idea, but pushed Axl too much and he got the boot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceguy Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Doug didn't "drive a wedge" between anyone in GNR. He was the ONLY manager who didn't cower before the tantrums of Miss Diva Axl, and that's why he was fired by the Diva. Without Doug corralling early GNR and ignoring Axl's bullshit, the band would never have taken off, and we wouldn't be having this discussion, because fan forums wouldn't exist. People here tend to ignore just how pathetically unproductive Axl is when he's on his own. Which is why the band went downhill once he had control and undisputed power. Axl needs to be held in check by someone who knows what they're doing, not coddled by sycophants who want his money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaeryen Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Can't really compare management of the old band to the nu-thing. or the early productive years of the nu-thing when Axl still had the fire in his belly and was on a mission. What I'm saying is that you put any manager at the controls past 2010, everything stays the same, the fire inside axl has died out and he just wants to wind down his career. maybe different plays would have been available 1999-2007, but somehow creatively and musically, the band really needed to assert themselves and make plays, release something, on top of their stellar performances on tour. maybe if you got to axl at that point, reversed energies somehow, there might have been more music, recordings... it falls on management, it falls on all of axl's yes-men circle, and of course on axl personally. that the things went as they did, and the band now is basically a dead duck with 0 expectations and hopes on it. more nostalgia tours of course.maybe it was a hot issue or impossibility to axl, or his personal management team of beta and co. we all know that already by 2005, you had to deal with axl through his protective circle of yes men. To be the manager of a rock n roll band you need to feel in control. the band is centered on a perfectionist egotistic guy with insecurity issues, intolerable "working hours" and heavy mood swings, with zero humility, who is furthermore protected by people who reinforce whatever his views on anything are. how can a manager work through a setting like that, for real? it's an equation that simply doesn't work. the framework is poisoned and impossible enough, it's hard to fault the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARBeast Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Best manager was Alan Niven. Worst is team Brasil, god that is a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicrawker Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) Doug didn't "drive a wedge" between anyone in GNR. He was the ONLY manager who didn't cower before the tantrums of Miss Diva Axl, and that's why he was fired by the Diva.Without Doug corralling early GNR and ignoring Axl's bullshit, the band would never have taken off, and we wouldn't be having this discussion, because fan forums wouldn't exist.People here tend to ignore just how pathetically unproductive Axl is when he's on his own. Which is why the band went downhill once he had control and undisputed power. Axl needs to be held in check by someone who knows what they're doing, not coddled by sycophants who want his money.Doug didn't drive a wedge between anyone in GnR? come on mate Doug was Axl's lackey and would do anything he could to keep him happy, get him on stage and from having a meltdown......unless you think Slash, Duff and others were lying about their dealings with Doug................. Edited October 27, 2013 by classicrawker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapitch_77 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Doug didn't "drive a wedge" between anyone in GNR. He was the ONLY manager who didn't cower before the tantrums of Miss Diva Axl, and that's why he was fired by the Diva.Without Doug corralling early GNR and ignoring Axl's bullshit, the band would never have taken off, and we wouldn't be having this discussion, because fan forums wouldn't exist.People here tend to ignore just how pathetically unproductive Axl is when he's on his own. Which is why the band went downhill once he had control and undisputed power. Axl needs to be held in check by someone who knows what they're doing, not coddled by sycophants who want his money.Do you mean Alan Niven instead of Doug Goldstein? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetRose Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Dougie was a road manager when Niven was manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkAboutYou Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 There was also another manager in 2011 no? Pete something?Oh yeah - Peter Katsis.Wasn't he the one who got fired for organizing the Eddie Trunk Axl/DJ Metal Show appearance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfuckinga Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 There was also another manager in 2011 no? Pete something?Oh yeah - Peter Katsis. Wasn't he the one who got fired for organizing the Eddie Trunk Axl/DJ Metal Show appearance poor bastard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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