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Ive heard it said that if Public Libraries didnt already exist in the USA, the proposal to start them today would be dismissed as a far left, socialist conspiracy.  I think theres some truth to that.  Except apparently they're calling every active leftist who's not wearing a Pussy Hat; "Antifa."  So libraries would be an Antifa Conspiracy, lol

[Ace Nova]

8 minutes ago, soon said:

Ive heard it said that if Public Libraries didnt already exist in the USA, the proposal to start them today would be dismissed as a far left, socialist conspiracy.  I think theres some truth to that.  Except apparently they're calling every active leftist who's not wearing a Pussy Hat; "Antifa."  So libraries would be an Antifa Conspiracy, lol

Not sure where you heard that from but nothing is further from the truth.  The right, historically in the US. have been major proponents of getting kids to read, etc  George W. Bush and his wife, Barbara Bush were heavily involved in child literacy programs ..and they still are...you could see them reading to children, in libraries, on a regular basis when W was in office.  I wasn't the biggest W fan while he was in office but in hindsight, that was one of the things he got right. 

It's funny you mention Antifa because I've read about them actually burning books, history books that don't fit in with their view of history, etc. Not sure if it's true or not....but it's the same type of propaganda you heard about in your post above, being spewed out there, except probably coming from the right. 

Probably Russian fake news on both accounts. 

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17 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

Not sure where you heard that from but nothing is further from the truth.  The right, historically in the US. have been major proponents of getting kids to read, etc  George W. Bush and his wife, Barbara Bush were heavily involved in child literacy programs ..and they still are...you could see them reading to children, in libraries, on a regular basis when W was in office.  I wasn't the biggest W fan while he was in office but in hindsight, that was one of the things he got right. 

It's funny you mention Antifa because I've read about them actually burning books, history books that don't fit in with their view of history, etc. Not sure if it's true or not....but it's the same type of propaganda you heard about in your post above, being spewed out there, except probably coming from the right. 

Probably Russian fake news on both accounts. 

I think youd agree that we are no longer living in the world of the historical right in the USA?  If Trump possessed 4th grade reading skills, I still dont think he'd be keen on doing that.  Which of course brings to mind the one and only Betsy DeVos.

I'll have to ask my Yanky buddy if he's in fact a Russian propagandist 

[Ace Nova]

6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

That's because George W's favourite book is the fucking Hungry Caterpillar lol. You could see them doing that on a regular basis because it's vapid PR. He is a lying warmonger who has damaged the world so reading a book or two doesn't seem noteworthy to me.

The Iraq invasion was one of the biggest mistakes in modern U.S. history...right up there with the Vietnam War.  The Vietnam War was worse....the loss of life alone makes it worse...but the Iraq War is probably a close 2nd and has caused severe damage to the way the rest of the world views U.S. foreign policy...even to this day...basically, since Iraq, the rest of the world no longer has the same respect for the U.S. as they did before.  I was completely against going into Iraq and infuriated with W at the time...so you wont see me defending his foreign policy.  

 

That being said, I try to see the good in everyone...even people I can't comprehend.  Long story short, I like W much more now then when he was in office.  He's humbled down quite a bit...pokes fun at himself...and he knows Iraq was a mistake.  He miscalculated what it would take...he thought it would be over and done with within a few weeks.   I still don't agree with the Iraq invasion...even if it would have been over in a few weeks.  We had no business going into Iraq, imo....long war or not. 

Again, not justifying his foreign policy but if you look at what he did and continues to do for charities, it shows that he cares..at least about children.  Most of his current charity events get little to no publicity so it's not done for "photo ops".

Edited November 8, 2017 by Kasanova King

[Ace Nova]

25 minutes ago, soon said:

I think youd agree that we are no longer living in the world of the historical right in the USA?  If Trump possessed 4th grade reading skills, I still dont think he'd be keen on doing that.  Which of course brings to mind the one and only Betsy DeVos.

I'll have to ask my Yanky buddy if he's in fact a Russian propagandist 

I agree but I also think the rest of the world overestimates the hardcore, alt-right Trump supporters that you're taking about.  Trump currently has around a 40% approval rate.  Out of that 40% maybe 25% are his hardcore, alt-right base. 

Meaning that 90% of the U.S. population are not "hardcore, alt right" Trump supporters. 60% disapprove of him, 30% "approve" of him, mostly for political reasons and conservative policy....that 30% would approve of any Republican candidate. 

So in reality, we are taking about 10% of the US population...basically the far/alt right. 

[Chewbacca]

1 hour ago, Padme said:

Well the far right dictators also destroyed South America. Far right and far left it's the same shit with different smell.

You can't really say they were far right, just Chile with Pinochet, they were centrist at best. Here, for example, we created 44 state-owned companies in this period and the economy was also highly regulated by the government. Back in the 60's, 70's and 80's one could not import a car, and a lotta other products as well, for example. 

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40 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

I agree but I also think the rest of the world overestimates the hardcore, alt-right Trump supporters that you're taking about.  Trump currently has around a 40% approval rate.  Out of that 40% maybe 25% are his hardcore, alt-right base. 

Meaning that 90% of the U.S. population are not "hardcore, alt right" Trump supporters. 60% disapprove of him, 30% "approve" of him, mostly for political reasons and conservative policy....that 30% would approve of any Republican candidate. 

So in reality, we are taking about 10% of the US population...basically the far/alt right. 

Fair enough, but he won the election.  Approval ratings can change daily and dont say "I no longer agree with your platform and ideology."

Actually I'd bet that there's someone out there who now disapproves since Trump hasn't slashed libraries yet.

But mainly, lots of people in US believe public health care is a socialist conspiracy - likely more then 10%?  So I think its a observation rooted in populist sentiments and is not quite so niche

[Padme]

3 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

You can't really say they were far right, just Chile with Pinochet, they were centrist at best. Here, for example, we created 44 state-owned companies in this period and the economy was also highly regulated by the government. Back in the 60's, 70's and 80's one could not import a car, and a lotta other products as well, for example. 

Companies? Imported cars? Really???? What about people taken to concentration camps, tortured and missing? That's sound like Nazi Germany to me. That took place on Chile, Argentina and in other countries. That was not democracy. There was not free press either. Sure, the same took place in Cuba. That's why I said far right and far left are the same shit with different smell

[Ace Nova]

13 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

You can't really say they were far right, just Chile with Pinochet, they were centrist at best. Here, for example, we created 44 state-owned companies in this period and the economy was also highly regulated by the government. Back in the 60's, 70's and 80's one could not import a car, and a lotta other products as well, for example. 

Brazil seems to be doing much better economically.  We get tons of Brazilian tourists in Orlando...all seem to be doing well.  👍

[Ace Nova]

15 minutes ago, soon said:

 

But mainly, lots of people in US believe public health care is a socialist conspiracy - likely more then 10%?  So I think its a observation rooted in populist sentiments and is not quite so niche

Again, most Americans aren't "conspiracy theorists".  Most are moderates.  The ones you hear about on the news...the far right along with the far left are usually the ones taking about "conspiracies" about each other.  If I had to guess...it's probably the furthest 10% of each side.  70%-80% of the population doesn't care and wants to get on with their lives.  They want a system that makes sense and won't cost them an arm and a leg.   

I'd say at least half  Americans would be fine with a single payer healthcare system and I think if we get enough moderates in office that are capable of working together, across party lines...the healthcare situation should get resolved once and for all.  

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2 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

Again, most Americans aren't "conspiracy theorists".  Most are moderates.  The ones you hear about on the news...the far right along with the far left are usually the ones taking about "conspiracies" about each other.  If I had to guess...it's probably the furthest 10% of each side.  70%-80% of the population doesn't care and wants to get on with their lives.  They want a system that makes sense and won't cost them an arm and a leg.   

I'd say at least half  Americans would be fine with a single payer healthcare system and I think if we get enough moderates in office that are capable of working together, across party lines...the healthcare situation should get resolved once and for all.  

I sure hope you can.  With 70-80% reasonable people, why havent you had affordable care until recently, which is still contested?  

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18 minutes ago, soon said:

I sure hope you can.  With 70-80% reasonable people, why havent you had affordable care until recently, which is still contested?  

8 years of Republicans bashing Obamacare any chance they got is the major reason it's still contested.  Now that they have shown that they do not have a legitimate alternative, the only way to get anything done about it would be with Bi-Partisan support.  Democrats won't budge on it.  So the only logical option going forward would be a single payer system.  I doubt it gets done while Trump is in office....but who knows what the future holds. 

As of now, it's the ACA and probably will be for a while.

[Chewbacca]

39 minutes ago, Padme said:

Companies? Imported cars? Really???? What about people taken to concentration camps, tortured and missing? That's sound like Nazi Germany to me. That took place on Chile, Argentina and in other countries. That was not democracy. There was not free press either. Sure, the same took place in Cuba. That's why I said far right and far left are the same shit with different smell

What does this have to do with right or left wing? Like you said it sounds a lot like nazi germany, cuba and the soviets with their gulags. All of them left wing or syncretic movements. Nazism was never a right wing system. It features a government-controlled economy and a huge government like socialism. The nazis even called themselves the anti burgeois party.

[Chewbacca]

49 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

Brazil seems to be doing much better economically.  We get tons of Brazilian tourists in Orlando...all seem to be doing well.  👍

Actually we're in the middle of a shitstorm. I'm a surgeon here and the hospital I'm working on is closing its door, just like 3 others on the same area. The healthcare system is done for. We can't medicate our patients cuz we can't afford basic medications. We are doing bandages using diapers and crepe tape cuz we can't afford gauzes and micropore tape. We can't perform any surgical procedures because our anesthesiologists quit. Their payment is overdue eleven months. Mine is overdue seven months. Rats and cockroaches infest the halls and corridors, health surveillance closed the kitchen and patients are being served fast food. This "free" health care system myth is just so stupid. somebody will always pay for it. If Obamacare was really based on our SUS, all I can I say is good fuckin luck and hold on tight to your health insurance.

[Chewbacca]

10 hours ago, Pishy said:

Liberal? 

homelessness was eradicated in Cuba , your own country admitted as much. 

Everyone there has free healthcare , free education , housing , water etc. Yes, something called the US embargo and countless terrorist attacks on Cuba , attempts at destabilizing the country and assassinating the leaders, caused the people there a lot of suffering. 

The days of shacks in Cuba and abject poverty , ended when your pal Batista was eliminated and the 95% of Cuban wealth was no longer being stolen by a certain state . 

Yeah, Cuba is so good... that's why people risk their lifes to get to the USA. Cuba has this embargo, true, but countries like Brazil have always lended a lot of Money to it. In fact we paid for them medics and as a brazilian doc myself I can say they are generally ill-prepared and a pain on the ass to work with. Worst of all, a lot of them are fleeing so they don't have to return to their "Paradise-island".

[SoulMonster]

1 hour ago, Kasanova King said:

Brazil seems to be doing much better economically.  We get tons of Brazilian tourists in Orlando...all seem to be doing well.  👍

Hehe, so the tourists who can afford to vacation in Florida are doing well? 

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14 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Yeah, Cuba is so good... that's why people risk their lifes to get to the USA. Cuba has this embargo, true, but countries like Brazil have always lended a lot of Money to it. In fact we paid for them medics and as a brazilian doc myself I can say they are generally ill-prepared and a pain on the ass to work with. Worst of all, a lot of them are fleeing so they don't have to return to their "Paradise-island".

Low income US medical students actually earn their degrees in Cuba, for free.  An opportunity the USA wont provide and one it allows its citizens to attend as long as they promise to return to US to practice medicine.  Cant be that bad of training if the US makes exceptions on travel ban and then requires those Drs to practice in USA?

http://medicc.org/ns/elam/

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-03-17/future-american-doctors-train-free-cuba

https://www.wired.com/2016/03/students-ditching-america-medical-school-cuba/

[Chewbacca]

1 minute ago, soon said:

Low income US medical students actually earn their degrees in Cuba, for free.  An opportunity the USA wont provide and one it allows its citizens to attend as long as they promise to return to US to practice medicine.  Cant be that bad of training if the US makes exceptions on travel ban and then requires those Drs to practice in USA?

http://medicc.org/ns/elam/

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-03-17/future-american-doctors-train-free-cuba

https://www.wired.com/2016/03/students-ditching-america-medical-school-cuba/

I'm talking from experience. You're just especulating. None of the links provide any studies comparing their performance as doctors compared to US-trained ones.

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1 minute ago, Chewbacca said:

I'm talking from experience. You're just especulating. None of the links provide any studies comparing their performance as doctors compared to US-trained ones.

Im not speculating that they meet standards to practice in the US.  They practice in the US.

[Chewbacca]

But you're speculating on how well they perform, besides, graduating in cuba does not mean you have met the standards to practice it on the US by itself. They still have to go thru the steps exam to be able to practice it in the US, just like I would have to, if I intended to practice medicine there. That's what qualifies them, not their cuban grad.

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[Padme]

1 hour ago, Chewbacca said:

What does this have to do with right or left wing? Like you said it sounds a lot like nazi germany, cuba and the soviets with their gulags. All of them left wing or syncretic movements. Nazism was never a right wing system. It features a government-controlled economy and a huge government like socialism. The nazis even called themselves the anti burgeois party.

Center left and Communist Cuba are not the same thing. Center left supports more government involvement in the economy and social issues like environment and equality. But they move withing a democratric environment. They respect the rules of democracy. The difference is that the center right is more concervative with social issues and they want less government involvement with the free market system.

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1 minute ago, Chewbacca said:

But you're speculating on how well they perform, besides, graduating in cuba does not mean you have met the standards to practice it on the US by itself. their payment is due to seven month. They still have to go thru the steps exam to be able to practice it in the US, just like I would have to, if I intended to practice medicine there. That's what qualifies them, not their cuban grad.

And they pass and they practice medicine in the US.  The USA Govt is not into letting its citizens go to Cuba.  This was the exception.  So you believe that most of them dont pass those exams?  And that despite this the USA keeps the option open?  That is speculation.

[Chewbacca]

Just now, Padme said:

Center left and Communist Cuba are not the same thing. Center left supports more government involvement in the economy and social issues like environment and equality. But they move withing a democratric environment. They respect the rules of democracy. The difference is that the center right is more concervative with social issues and they want less government involvement with the free market system.

Cuba is not communist. It is a socialista republic.

[Chewbacca]

Just now, soon said:

And they pass and they practice medicine in the US.  The USA Govt is not into letting its citizens go to Cuba.  This was the exception.  So you believe that most of them dont pass those exams?  And that despite this the USA keeps the option open?  That is speculation.

The US keeps it open for everybody pretty much. I'm thinking about doing it myself. They won't close it because most fail, if that was the case as a Brazilian the option would be already closed for me. Do you have any data on how well cuban students go on the steps?

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Just now, Chewbacca said:

The US keeps it open for everybody pretty much. I'm thinking about doing it myself. They won't close it because most fail, if that was the case as a Brazilian the option would be already closed for me. Do you have any data on how well cuban students go on the steps?

Ive gotta hand it to you for your boldness:  you have boldly stated that you will use anecdotal evidence and I must use stats.

The USA aint sending its citizens to a banned country, risking they become spies or saboteurs, for a program that isn't seeing positive results.