What is the most underrated Stones record?

[DieselDaisy]

God I love Exile. 

Did you know that both Jagger, Dylan and Lennon wrote songs about the Angela Davis case, ''Sweet Black Angel'', ''George Jackson'' and ''Angela'' respectively? A curious coincidence, the era's primary songwritings all approaching the same topic and releasing songs at about the same time, 1971-2. 

Edited September 16, 2018 by DieselDaisy

[Len Cnut]

8 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

God I love Exile. 

Did you know that both Jagger, Dylan and Lennon wrote songs about the Angela Davis case, ''Sweet Black Angel'', ''George Jackson'' and ''Angela'' respectively? A curious coincidence, the era's primary songwritings all approaching the same topic and releasing songs at about the same time, 1971-2. 

George Jackson was more specifically to do with George Jackson wasn’t it?  Who was a right fuckin’ nutter btw, if you’ve ever read about him.

[Fashionista]

On 9/15/2018 at 8:31 AM, DieselDaisy said:

It is very much like that, except ''Please Go Home'' which is in the Stones' default style and ''Connection'' maybe. That album is their foray into vaudeville English kitsch. 

Miss Amanda Jones would fit right on Sticky Fingers or Exile, how is that vaudeville English kitsch? The only vaudeville track is really the final one.

 

[DieselDaisy]

Just now, Fashionista said:

Miss Amanda Jones would fit right on Sticky Fingers or Exile, how is that vaudeville English kitsch? The only vaudeville track is really the final one.

 

I couldn't even imagine a song with that lyrical content appearing on Exile. 

[Fashionista]

If Satanic Majesties' had been trimmed and rearranged a little and had Dandelion and We Love You added to it, it'd make the Stones have an undisturbed run of great records from 1965 to 1973.

1) Citadel

2) We Love You
3) The Lantern
4) Dandelion
5) 2000 Man

6) She's A Rainbow

7) In Another Land

8) Gomper

9) 2000 Light Years From Home
 

5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I couldn't even imagine a song with that lyrical content appearing on Exile. 

Musically, though, it fits fine, it's in the same style. It has that ramshackle loose vibe of the '71-'74 era. Mick Jagger just hadn't matured as a lyricist yet, not totally anyway.

[Fashionista]

For my money, my favorite song on the record is Yesterday's Papers. A perfect Pop track. All the pieces fit right. Jack Nitzche on harpsichord and and Brian Jones' marimbas create a musical tapestry along with Bill's bass.

 

I actually feel the weak link on Between the Button is Mick. His singing isn't as powerful as it could and should be in places, and his lyricism isn't up to par. The rest of the band is tight and the melodies are key.

Edited September 22, 2018 by Fashionista

[DieselDaisy]

7 minutes ago, Fashionista said:

If Satanic Majesties' had been trimmed and rearranged a little and had Dandelion and We Love You added to it, it'd make the Stones have an undisturbed run of great records from 1965 to 1973.

1) Citadel

2) We Love You
3) The Lantern
4) Dandelion
5) 2000 Man

6) She's A Rainbow

7) In Another Land

8) Gomper

9) 2000 Light Years From Home
 

Musically, though, it fits fine, it's in the same style. It has that ramshackle loose vibe of the '71-'74 era. Mick Jagger just hadn't matured as a lyricist yet, not totally anyway.

It is more concise and of the ilk of the Kinks and Beatles than Exile. Exile is like one of those mass musicologist research projects experts did in the early twentieth century - not just in the United States but in places like Africa - the aim being to record folk-tribal music before it vanished completely. Pertaining to Exile, It is as if The Stones had visited the cotton fields of 1930s America and captured snatches of ''negro music''. ''Amanda Jones'' sounds like something you'd bop to in a London nightclub in 1967 with Jean Shrimpton in tow!! 

Edited September 22, 2018 by DieselDaisy

[Fashionista]

Also, this should've been put on Betwen The Buttons. It's a leftover from the Aftermath sessions.

[Fashionista]

11 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

It is more concise and of the ilk of the Kinks and Beatles than Exile. Exile is like one of those mass musicologist research projects experts did in the early twentieth century - not just in the United States but in places like Africa - the aim being to record folk-tribal music before they vanished. It is as if The Stones had visited the cotton fields of 1930s America and captured snatches of ''negro music''. Amanda Jones sounds like something you'd bop to in a London nightclub in 1967 with Jean Shrimpton in tow!! 

I actually think Exile, like most double albums, could use some trimming:

1) Rocks Off
2) Rip This Joint
3) Shake Your Hips
4) Tumbling Dice

5) Sweet Virginia
6) Sweet Black Angel

7) Loving Cup
8) Happy

9) I Just Wanna See His Face
10) Let it Loose
11) Shine A Light
12) Soul Survivor

That's a perfect album there. On the filler tracks you can see the rot start to show which would become more and more evident with each record of the rest of the Taylor years.

Edited September 22, 2018 by Fashionista

[DieselDaisy]

Just now, Fashionista said:

I actually think Exile, like most double albums, could use some trimming:

1) Rocks Off
2) Rip This Joint
3) Shake Your Hips
4) Tumbling Dice
5) Sweet Black Angel

6) Loving Cup
7) Happy

8) I Just Wanna See His Face
9) Let it Loose
10) Shine A Light
11) Soul Survivor

That's a perfect album there. On the filler tracks you can see the rot start to show which would become more and more evident with each record of the rest of the Taylor years.

You have just decimated one of the greatest albums ever!!!

[Fashionista]

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

You have just decimated one of the greatest albums ever!!!

Yes, I cleaned the filler out of it. 

Casino Boogie sounds like what would turn up on an unreleased songs compilation more than a really well thought out song.
 

Torn and Frayed sounds like typical late 60s-early 70s blues/southern rock you'd hear from The Band or the like. 

All Down The Line was done better as Silver Train
Ventilator Blues is just plain filler, which is why they gave Mick Taylor a co-writing credit
Stop Breaking Down is more of a jam than a song
Turd on the Run is another half baked thing
 

[DieselDaisy]

3 minutes ago, Fashionista said:

Yes, I cleaned the filler out of it. 

Casino Boogie sounds like what would turn up on an unreleased songs compilation more than a really well thought out song.
 

Torn and Frayed sounds like typical late 60s-early 70s blues/southern rock you'd hear from The Band or the like. 

All Down The Line was done better as Silver Train
Ventilator Blues is just plain filler, which is why they gave Mick Taylor a co-writing credit
Stop Breaking Down is more of a jam than a song
Turd on the Run is another half baked thing
 

''Sweet Virginia'' and ''All Down the Line'' weren't filler: they were played live on the 1972 Exile tour (cf., Ladies and Gentlemen film), and have been revived occasionally since, especially so since the 1990s. Further, if there is a track which epitomizes Exile more than any it is ''Casino Boogie'', and no ''Torn and Frayed'', no ''Ventilator Blues'', no ''Stop Breaking Down'' - these are some of my very favourite songs by The Rolling Stones!!

[Fashionista]

Who is doing the lead guitar lines on this version of Street Fighting Man? It sounds way too fluid to be Keith.

Just now, DieselDaisy said:

''Sweet Virginia'' and ''All Down the Line'' weren't filler: they were played live on the 1972 Exile tour (cf., Ladies and Gentlemen film), and have been revived occasionally since, especially so since the 1990s. Further, if there is a track which epitomizes Exile more than any it is ''Casino Boogie'', and no ''Torn and Frayed'', no ''Ventilator Blues'', no ''Stop Breaking Down'' - these are some of my very favourite songs by The Rolling Stones!!

I didn't mean to exclude Sweet Virginia, I like that one and added it back. But I maintain that All Down The Line was done better as Silver Train (Mick Taylor even said something about feeling the two songs were quite similar)

[DieselDaisy]

5 minutes ago, Fashionista said:

Who is doing the lead guitar lines on this version of Street Fighting Man? It sounds way too fluid to be Keith.

I didn't mean to exclude Sweet Virginia, I like that one and added it back. But I maintain that All Down The Line was done better as Silver Train (Mick Taylor even said something about feeling the two songs were quite similar)

They are similar but ''All Down the Line'' is much better - and I'm a big admirer of the Goats Head record. 

I find it strange how you prefer The Stones's American basis yet extol by far their most English sounding album, Between the Buttons which is clearly ''imitation Kinks'' at its least impressive.

[Fashionista]

1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

They are similar but ''All Down the Line'' is much better - and I'm a big admirer of the Goats Head record. 

I find it strange how you prefer The Stones's American basis yet extol by far their most English sounding album, Between the Buttons which is clearly ''imitation Kinks'' at its least impressive.

I like a certain type of English music, and a certain type of performance. Like I said, I'm not familiar with the Kinks beyond Lola really, but I put on the Village Preservation Society just now and so far so good. I just dislike shit like, Penny Lane, When I'm 64. A lot of it comes down to arrangement and performance. I can listen to old Irish music and old English ballads and enjoy it. It's just there's a certain, to use a more English word, twee way of sounding which The Beatles in their later career sounded like - that's the aspect of British music I hate. British tastes are a lot different than American ones, I think; like, there's shit about British culture I can't stand - you guys might've pioneered the psychadelic movement, but I prefer American or even American-esque takes on it more than the British one, it's just too Austin Powers for me, and that mid/late 60s Beatle type sound is just Disney shit to me, Pooh Bear crap.

I guess also, I know with the Stones, that even at their most British, the whole thing is done with tongue firmly planted in cheek. It's a pisstake. Whereas I'm listening to the Kinks stuff and it's done deadly serious. The only stuff by the Stones I don't like is when they went all self serious on some of the lesser tracks of Satanic Majesties.

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, Fashionista said:

I like a certain type of English music, and a certain type of performance. Like I said, I'm not familiar with the Kinks beyond Lola really, but I put on the Village Preservation Society just now and so far so good. I just dislike shit like, Penny Lane, When I'm 64. A lot of it comes down to arrangement and performance. I can listen to old Irish music and old English ballads and enjoy it. It's just there's a certain, to use a more English word, twee way of sounding which The Beatles in their later career sounded like - that's the aspect of British music I hate. British tastes are a lot different than American ones, I think; like, there's shit about British culture I can't stand - you guys might've pioneered the psychadelic movement, but I prefer American or even American-esque takes on it more than the British one, it's just too Austin Powers for me, and that mid/late 60s Beatle type sound is just Disney shit to me, Pooh Bear crap.

I guess also, I know with the Stones, that even at their most British, the whole thing is done with tongue firmly planted in cheek. It's a pisstake. Whereas I'm listening to the Kinks stuff and it's done deadly serious. The only stuff by the Stones I don't like is when they went all self serious on some of the lesser tracks of Satanic Majesties.

The Stones were never more American than on the Exile album (unless you are discussing their earlier ''covers'' era). It runs the whole gauntlet of American folk musical traditions, from blues to country, from gospel to rock n' roll - you can really hear the strains of Bessie Smith and Robert Johnson in there. Between the Buttons however is as English as fish and chips. What on earth else can one make of, 

Quote

Yes, there's the noseless old newsboy
The old British brigadier
But he'll tell me now
Who's been sleeping here

- ''Who's Been Sleeping Here?''

And there are multiple lyrics describing ''Swingin' London'', of which ''Amanda Jones'' is certainly one, stuff like,

Quote

She looks quite delightfully stoned
She's the darling of the discotheque crowd
Of her lineage she's rightfully proud, Miss Amanda Jones

 

[Fashionista]

10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

The Stones were never more American than on the Exile album (unless you are discussing their earlier ''covers'' era). It runs the whole gauntlet of American folk musical traditions, from blues to country, from gospel to rock n' roll - you can really hear the strains of Bessie Smith and Robert Johnson in there. Between the Buttons however is as English as fish and chips. What on earth else can one make of, 

- ''Who's Been Sleeping Here?''

And there are multiple lyrics describing ''Swingin' London'', of which ''Amanda Jones'' is certainly one, stuff like,

 

My first Stones record was the Compilation, Through the Past Darkly, which mostly is their 1966-1968 period. I guess as a result to me that's always just struck me as, not really belonging to any cultural custom. Yeah, Exile is a very American album, but then so is Some Girls, so is the run from Some Girls through Emotional Rescue really and I take that over Exile. I love the Stones early material - the covers era - and the their two experimental eras (65-68 and 78-86). Sticky Fingers is probably my second favorite album by them. But if you took all the rest of the Taylor years in terms of albums, there's not really a full album I listen to there after Sticky Fingers until Black & Blue. It's just, if I want what Mick Taylor brought to the band, I could easily find that listening to Led Zeppelin or Aerosmith or the Kinks on Lola. I'm not knocking songs like Dance Little Sister or Dancin' With Mr. D or 100 Years Ago, but after Sticky Fingers, for me the Stones sound more an amalgamation of whatever was big in hard rock. 

And yeah, Mick didn't totally mature as a lyricist until Beggar's Banquet.

[Len Cnut]

My first was the 40 Licks compilation I believe.  That or Beggars Banquet.

[janrichmond]

High Tide and Green Grass was the first i ever heard and loved every track, at the time i didn't realise it was a hits compilation. I'll leave you aficionados to the subject 

 

Dandelion and She's a Rainbow are my favourite tracks ever 

[Fashionista]

My Top Stones Tracks by lineup (no order)
 

Brian Jones Years:
I Wanna Be Your Man

Dandelion

Jigsaw Puzzle

Citadel

2000 Light Years From Home

Little Red Rooster

Heart of Stone

Get Off My Cloud

Child of the Moon

Jumpin' Jack Flash

It's All Over Now

You Got the Silver

Yesterday's Papers

Lady Jane

Mick Taylor Years:

Can't You Hear Me Knockin'
Silver Train

Dancin' With Mr. D

100 Years Ago

Winter
Dance Little Sister

Short and Curlies
Rocks Off

Ronnie Wood Years:

Miss You
Dance Part 1
Send It To Me
When The Whip Comes Down

Too Much Blood

Shattered

Back To Zero

Winning Ugly
Sad Sad Sad

Mixed Emotions

Rock in a Hard Place

Thru and Thru

Favorite performance of Sympathy, 1975 Tour.

Edited September 24, 2018 by Fashionista

[Fashionista]

Another mid 70s live gem. People love the 72 tour, but I love them live 67-69 and 75-76. Sloppy and raw

Another great sloppy performance, 1969:

When they became a precise live act in 1972-1973 it got boring.

[Fashionista]

1966 live, a VERY heavy Satisfaction

Edited September 24, 2018 by Fashionista

[Fashionista]

Where Keith beats a fan with his guitar mid song, love it.

[Len Cnut]

Listened to Dirty Work today. 

[Fashionista]

6 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

Listened to Dirty Work today. 

And? What did you think? I personally feel as an album it's got too much killer, but if you trimmed it down to an EP it'd rock:

1) One Hit to the Body, classic mean Stones 
2) Winning Ugly
3) Back To Zero

4) Dirty Work 
5) Sleep Tonight

This is the Stones' album Mick had the least to do with. At this point in his life, being a Stone was his boring day job. He actually wrote the band a note in this period saying they were old and he didn't need them anymore. He was focusing on his solo career. Most of the music was composed by Keith and Ronnie Wood, and Mick just layed a vocal over it. Keith felt pissed because he felt he gave his better writing to his solo record which came out the same year.