If you ever wondered what made Axl flip in the 1998 airport incident

[Lumikki]

8 hours ago, Frey said:

The elephant in the room, yes. Just how crazy is Axl really? And would we rather the singer of our favorite band be a gullible moron or batshit insane? There are certainly enough people around who've got some "crazy Axl stories" to tell to make him being a being a fry or two short of a happy meal believable.

 

"Crazy Axl stories". A lot of these stories are told for cheap laughs, but when you think about it, these stories are actually not funny at all. Like the one about Axl jumping out of a moving car that Slash told on a late night talk show and in his book.

Think about it- Axl was literally a kid who started rocking back and forth in his seat and then jumped out of a speeding car when Slash made a gentle suggestion to him. That's pretty extreme behaviour and far removed from normal. And quite concerning. I'm not a psychologist, but I can only guess that actually was some kind of trauma reaction or something. Not very funny at all when you look at it like that.

We also know he was a kid who used to cut himself with razor blades, before he started destroying furniture and stuff instead of destroying his body. He also tried to commit suicide at least once or twice.

And all of this happened before 1990. Axl wasn't "batshit insane". He was a very troubled and obviously hurting kid/young man. One possibly suffering from untreated PTSD or something similar due to his horrific childhood and the other traumatic things that happened to him after he left home (like the air conditioning repair man incident).

In the 90s, he tried to find help to deal with his problems. Unfortunately he seems to have looked in all the wrong places though.

 

8 hours ago, Frey said:

 

(And Axl's hair is red!  Still is in my opinion..... The weight thing is strange as well. Maybe he has some kind of eating disorder? Rare in men, but still more common than many think...)

He did talk about having a habit of sitting on his ass and eating too much once (in a way that compared it to the drug use of the other guys in the band iirc), but that doesn't really have to mean anything.

 

7 hours ago, killuridols said:

All I know is that from 1994 until 2006 (more or less) Axl suffered a lot and those years were the worst of his life, from breaking up with several women to losing friends to drugs, his mother death, Losing his whole band and having to start from scratch, lawsuits, counter lawsuits, his 1998 arrest, the whole Chinese Democracy saga, cancelled tours, RIR, fans rejection, etc. etc. It's just too much. Anyone would implode at some point.

Oh I really don't have a theory about it. Like I said, I think he went through a lot of heavy stuff during most of the 90's and until mid 2000s and al this stress could have triggered a vast range of health problems. 

Yes. He once said he was so depressed that he felt like he coudln't leave his house or something. Very sad.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Lumikki

[killuridols]

1 minute ago, -W.A.R- said:

lmao who would have guess this kid would grow up to be a kick ass rockstar and a good looking one at that?

Haha he looks like a ginger nerd in those pics.

All kids have potential. People who ruin kids lives deserve nothing but death.

[The Garden of Guns N Roses]

4 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

 

"Crazy Axl stories". A lot of these stories are told for cheap laughs, but when you think about it, these stories are actually not funny at all. Like the one about Axl jumping out of a moving car that Slash told on a late night talk show and in his book.

Think about it- Axl was literally a kid who started rocking back and forth in his seat and then jumped out of a speeding car when Slash made a gentle suggestion to him. That's pretty extreme behaviour and far removed from normal. And quite concerning. I'm not a psychologist, but I can only guess that actually was some kind of trauma reaction or something. Not very funny at all when you look at it like that.

We also know he was a kid who used to cut himself with razor blades, before he started destroying furniture and stuff instead of destroying his body. He also tried to commit suicide at least once or twice.

And all of this happened before 1990. Axl wasn't "batshit insane". He was a very troubled and obviously hurting kid/young man. One possibly suffering from untreated PTSD or something similar due to his horrific childhood and the other traumatic things that happened to him after he left home (like the air conditioning repair man incident).

In the 90s, he tried to find help to deal with his problems. Unfortunately he seems to have looked in all the wrong places though.

 

 

He did talk about having a habit of sitting on his ass and eating too much once (in a way that compared it to the drug use of the other guys in the band iirc), but that doesn't really have to mean anything.

 

Yes. He once said he was so depressed that he felt like he coudln't leave his house or something. Yes. He once said he was so depressed that he felt like he coudln't leave his house or something. Very sad.

Air conditioning repair man incident? What happened there? 

Edited May 29, 2016 by The Garden of Guns N Roses

[-W.A.R-]

3 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Haha he looks like a ginger nerd in those pics.

All kids have potential. People who ruin kids lives deserve nothing but death.

yeah i swear kids can be the most vile people out there

too many trying to fit in so they break somebody else down to look cool

unfortunately i was guilty of it myself when i was in school  

[Lumikki]

6 minutes ago, The Garden of Guns N Roses said:

Air conditioning repair man incident? What happened there? 

The story he told during the St. Louis concert and also in some interview, I think. He was 17 or so and hitch-hiking alone. He ended up sleeping in a room with the air conditioning repair man he hitched a ride with and woke up to the guy trying to rape him. The way Axl tells it, he made a heroic (and slightly unrealistic sounding) escape, but who knows what really happened. Either way, it must have been traumatic.

[killuridols]

4 minutes ago, Hasan--97 said:

Ive noticed in the new ACDC group photoshoot he looks similar to the picture from the 2002 vmas

Maybe thats how he just always looks when he smiles and we are looking 2 much into this 

Good point. I also think that the older Axl grows he's starting to look more and more like when he was a kid, haha. Like in those pictures his eyes look Asian and on the ACDC one (and others) he looks Asian too, lol.

I don't know. It's weird.

3 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

"Crazy Axl stories". A lot of these stories are told for cheap laughs, but when you think about it, these stories are actually not funny at all. Like the one about Axl jumping out of a moving car that Slash told on a late night talk show and in his book.

Think about it- Axl was literally a kid who started rocking back and forth in his seat and then jumped out of a speeding car when Slash made a gentle suggestion to him. That's pretty extreme behaviour and far removed from normal. And quite concerning. I'm not a psychologist, but I can only guess that actually was some kind of trauma reaction or something. Not very funny at all when you look at it like that.

We also know he was a kid who used to cut himself with razor blades, before he started destroying furniture and stuff instead of destroying his body. He also tried to commit suicide at least once or twice.

And all of this happened before 1990. Axl wasn't "batshit insane". He was a very troubled and obviously hurting kid/young man. One possibly suffering from untreated PTSD or something similar due to his horrific childhood and the other traumatic things that happened to him after he left home (like the air conditioning repair man incident).

In the 90s, he tried to find help to deal with his problems. Unfortunately he seems to have looked in all the wrong places though.

Yeah, those things are not fun to read. But like all the people who have emotional issues or behavioral problems, it usually all stems from having a bad relationship with your parents or being raised the wrong way or not having parents at all.

Axl is the child of a teenager single mom and a guy who was a criminal, zero responsibility or interest in having a family. I think he was very young too.

I believe that babies can sense how fucked up their lives are gonna be even from the womb of their mothers. Axl certainly must have felt he was coming into a shitty world. But the good side of it is what he did with his life. He could have turned out the worst of people but music saved his life and put him in the right path. I admire him for that.

Never heard the story of him cutting himself? Isn't that more like a thing girls did in the 2000's? The emo fad? lol

What is the air conditioning repair man story?

[killuridols]

11 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said:

yeah i swear kids can be the most vile people out there

too many trying to fit in so they break somebody else down to look cool

unfortunately i was guilty of it myself when i was in school  

I don't think kids are evil. If they are being evil or bad is because some adult is fucking up their lives. It is always like that. Adults and the parents are 99% of times the ruiners of a kid's life.

[Lumikki]

12 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Yeah, those things are not fun to read. But like all the people who have emotional issues or behavioral problems, it usually all stems from having a bad relationship with your parents or being raised the wrong way or not having parents at all.

Axl is the child of a teenager single mom and a guy who was a criminal, zero responsibility or interest in having a family. I think he was very young too.

I believe that babies can sense how fucked up their lives are gonna be even from the womb of their mothers. Axl certainly must have felt he was coming into a shitty world. But the good side of it is what he did with his life. He could have turned out the worst of people but music saved his life and put him in the right path. I admire him for that.

Never heard the story of him cutting himself? Isn't that more like a thing girls did in the 2000's? The emo fad? lol

What is the air conditioning repair man story?

Yes, nothing does more damage to a child than being made to feel unwanted. Add in all the abuse and everything and it's a miracle he came through as intact as he did.

Lots of people who are emotionally hurting engage in self-harming behaviour of some kind. The emo fad just made it into some weird kind of trend/stereotype, I guess. Axl mentioned cutting himself in an old interview once. I think I read it on HTGTH. I can see if I can dig it up.

Told the air conditioning repair man story in the reply to the other poster above. I meant the hitch-hiking rape he talked about.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Lumikki

[killuridols]

7 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

Yes, nothing does more damage to a child than being made to feel unwanted. Add in all the abuse and everything and it's a miracle he came through as intact as he did.

Lots of people who are emotionally hurting engage in self-harming behaviour of some kind. The emo fad just made it into some weird kind of trend/stereotype, I guess. Axl mentioned cutting himself in an old interview once. I think I read it on HTGTH. I can see if I can dig it up.

Told the air conditioning repair man story in the reply to the other poster above. I meant the hitch-hiking rape he talked about.

Ok. If you can give a link to that interview would be nice because I never read about that. I know he's tried to commit suicide with pills but never the other things.

Ah, yeah, I know that story but I never took it as he meant a rape attempt. Just that the guy who picked him up thought Axl accepted to spend the night as a hint for further interaction, lol, but Axl defended himself and got out of that situation pretty quickly.

Much like what could happen to a girl who accepts a ride but women usually never win in those situations

Like I said, Axl's androgynous look and natural beauty must have made him subject of repeated homosexual approaches. I think he's talked about this before but I guess at some point he must have learned how to deal with is because as soon as he arrived to L.A. he started living the night life, which we all know is filled with shady characters and all kind of debauchery.

The places and people GNR interacted with when they started playing bars in L.A. were mostly night life workers, strippers, hookers, musicians, pole dancers, drugaddicts, misfits, drug dealers... I think Axl must have developed some street smartness during those years.

[Kosonen]

3 hours ago, maxpax said:

But there was no reason for botox, he had no N ...Axl looked the most weird in 1999. His head looked thinner and his face looked like he used an acid mask. Almost no facial hair... like an oiled baby butt.

Just one year before this Interview he looked like this.

Axl still looks the same as in that first picture. With  More weight, more age even worse. He has looked weird since that interview. Fucking facial surgerys...

[Lumikki]

30 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Ok. If you can give a link to that interview would be nice because I never read about that. I know he's tried to commit suicide with pills but never the other things.

Ah, yeah, I know that story but I never took it as he meant a rape attempt. Just that the guy who picked him up thought Axl accepted to spend the night as a hint for further interaction, lol, but Axl defended himself and got out of that situation pretty quickly.

Much like what could happen to a girl who accepts a ride but women usually never win in those situations

Like I said, Axl's androgynous look and natural beauty must have made him subject of repeated homosexual approaches. I think he's talked about this before but I guess at some point he must have learned how to deal with is because as soon as he arrived to L.A. he started living the night life, which we all know is filled with shady characters and all kind of debauchery.

The places and people GNR interacted with when they started playing bars in L.A. were mostly night life workers, strippers, hookers, musicians, pole dancers, drugaddicts, misfits, drug dealers... I think Axl must have developed some street smartness during those years.

Okay, I'll try to find it. Will have to sleep a couple of hours before that though

Doesn't he literally say something like "I woke up and this guy was trying to fuck me" or something like that? It's been a while since I watched that concert, but I'm pretty sure he says he and the repair man both fell asleep and then Axl woke up because the guy was trying to fuck him. Whether the guy thought Axl had accepted in exchange for "further interaction" doesn't really matter. Trying to force yourself onto a sleeping person who hasn't consented is still rape. Even worse, an under-age person, urgh.

And yes, Axl was a very beautiful and androgynous young lad. Sure to attract all kinds of perverts and creeps, unfortunately.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Lumikki

[killuridols]

8 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

Okay, I'll try to find him. Will have to sleep a couple of hours before that though

Doesn't he literally say something like "I woke up and this guy was trying to fuck me" or something like that? It's been a while since I watched that concert, but I'm pretty sure he says he and repair man both fell asleep and then Axl woke up because the guys was trying to fuck him. Whether the guy thought Axl had accepted in exchange for "further interaction" doesn't really matter. Trying to force yourself onto a sleeping person who hasn't consented is still rape. Even worse, an under-age person, urgh.

And yes, Axl was a very beautiful and androgynous young lad. Sure to attract all kinds of perverts and creeps, unfortunately.

Ok.

I don't recall learning about that story from him during a show. I think I read it in some printed interview. Not sure. And didn't even Jimmy Kimmel mentioned part of that story when he interviewed Axl in 2012? I will do a search to refresh my memory.

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Edit: I just recalled Axl talking about "butt-fucking" during a show in 1991, where he mentions the incident of that guy in Rock In Rio who jumps on stage with his genitals out and grabs Axl from the back, while Axl is wearing a "thong". This is the end of the show. Then bodyguards and Doug Goldstein grab the guy and save Axl, lol.

Edited May 29, 2016 by killuridols

[Lumikki]

11 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Ok.

I don't recall learning about that story from him during a show. I think I read it in some printed interview. Not sure. And didn't even Jimmy Kimmel mentioned part of that story when he interviewed Axl in 2012? I will do a search to refresh my memory.

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Edit: I just recalled Axl talking about "butt-fucking" during a show in 1991, where he mentions the incident of that guy in Rock In Rio who jumps on stage with his genitals out and grabs Axl from the back, while Axl is wearing a "thong". This is the end of the show. Then bodyguards and Doug Goldstein grab the guy and save Axl, lol.

 

He talks about it in in the beginning of this video.

 

Lol yeah, I also remember the Rock in Rio thing. But that was something harmless at least

Edited May 29, 2016 by Lumikki

[rock4eva]

This is such a great topic, I have the video of the incident he spoke about
 

 

[killuridols]

"Guns n' Roses completely drunk" lol what? 

Haha, thank you both @Lumikki and @rock4eva!!!

I have seen that video but I didn't remember the story from it. I know I read about it in print and this was many many years ago, probably in the 90's!

The way he talks about it doesn't sound like he got trauma from it, more like life experience of what happens when you leave your home and start living life. He mentions the homophobic thing and I guess part of it has to do with his experiences as a really good looking man. It's obvious he's been approached more than once in that sense and he never was up for it, specially if it was always done the rude way (like that guy forcing himself on Axl).

My battery is dying so I'll leave it here. Maybe later I come back and post the RIR video with same subject, lol... Poor Axl! 

[rock4eva]

Bingo Lumikki

This brings me to tears listening to him talking about Dylan & without listening to it again I'm posting this video, I don't know if it includes the part where he talks about the battles with a woman "who set out to destroy me for whatever the fuck, I don't know". He was in such a sad place when this was made as I think SS was supposed to be part of it. 

Also regarding Yoda & the stuff he went through in 1998 about having to approve people by looking at photos etc, I was told it was Beta that got him into that. It saddens me if this is true as I like TB and they've certainly turned his life around but that stuff was just crazy. I wonder who the person was that came to spend time with him on Christmas Day when he was living in a shed or similar in a bad way. Would that have been Beta? Also has he confirmed he was actually sexually abused by his stepfather or is it assumed by what he says. My understanding is they all may have been but Axl and Amy are the only ones mentioned in interviews. I find it hard to believe that his bio father who took him when he was 2 also sexually abused him, you'd have to be pretty unlucky to have 2 fathers doing that to you & it was only through the regressive therapy that he said his bio father abused him. Then I look at the family photos of his parents, him & siblings & his Grandmother & wonder why you would be at a family gathering if you were treated the way he was by his step father with the bashings & sexual abuse. Wouldn't you not want to have anything to do with a step father like that? I find it all confusing & him saying he remembers being in the womb & knowing he wasn't wanted is a bit too much for me to believe. Sounds more it was ingrained into his mind during the therapy sessions, John Lennon did the same regressive therapy by Yoko's request & look how hated she was for making him do that. The one thing that stands out is what a beautiful looking man (even you guys say this) with such a talent but such a disturbed mind, even now he doesn't seem to have a steady girlfriend or partner or wife. If he had someone he was in love with it would be all over the internet like his 'date' with Lana Del Ray.

 

Edited May 29, 2016 by rock4eva

[-W.A.R-]

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

I don't think kids are evil. If they are being evil or bad is because some adult is fucking up their lives. It is always like that. Adults and the parents are 99% of times the ruiners of a kid's life.

yeah i don't disagree with that but i was just focusing on the school aspect since we were saying he looked like a little nerd

according to Izzy he got allot of shit for being small and didn't get any poon in school hahaha 

Edited May 29, 2016 by -W.A.R-

[stella]

The attempted rape story with the air conditioning man is in this interview, the first Rolling Stone one in 1989. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-rolling-stone-interview-axl-rose-19890810

 

I have some personal experience with people with eating disorders/mental illness/PTSD. A lot of mental disorders are unfortunately very difficult to treat effectively. Some of it's from abuse and PTSD; some of it is about chemical imbalances in the brain; some of it appears to be from injuries to the brain; some of it is thought to be genetic (like schizophrenia); and some of it is all of the above. If someone has a mental illness there's no shame in it any more than there's shame in having a broken leg or cancer, but there's so much stigma there about it. And unlike that broken leg, there are also so many differences of opinion on how to treat it.

 

In terms of Axl's mom getting with two different men who were abusive, and Axl being targeted by both of them? That's not uncommon either. Unless they get help, a lot of people end up going from one abusive relationship to the next. Statistically for instance a lot of people who end up in abusive relationships as adults were abused as children, were abandoned by a parent, or grew up in households where they witnessed domestic violence. The cycle keeps repeating. http://www.domesticviolenceroundtable.org/effect-on-children.html

 

And kids who are being abused often learn to cover it very quickly and act completely normal, at least outwardly. They smile in photos, hug the abuser in public, and do everything they can to put up a normal facade. They think that if they "behave better" maybe the abuser will stop hitting them. They're told that their families are everything and that they always have to forgive. They are often told that it's all their fault, and they fear what will happen if they tell. Sometimes they HAVE told someone else and nobody's helped them, and they're still forced to be around their abuser.

 

Axl got away from his stepfather and wanted nothing to do with him when he was an adult who had come to terms with it all -- when his stepfather couldn't hurt him anymore -- and that's pretty much what happens a lot of the time.

Edited May 29, 2016 by stella

[DieselDaisy]

He looks like someone from an old Chop Socky,

 

Edited May 29, 2016 by DieselDaisy

[Italian girl]

Interesting discussion.

I still think he uses botox on his forehead (too straight for a 54 yrs old man) and that he had hair transplant... Nowadays his hair are frizzy and less red than the 90s....

Edited May 29, 2016 by Italian girl

[stella]

Hair texture can actually change with age even in healthy individuals, going from straight to curly or vice versa. Nobody's sure why, but it does happen to some people. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102074149

[MillionsOfSpiders]

1 hour ago, Italian girl said:

Interesting discussion.

I still think he uses botox on his forehead (too straight for a 54 yrs old man) and that he had hair transplant... Nowadays his hair are frizzy and less red than the 90s....

So do I. I don't think the cornrows helped his hair condition much, but in the early 2000s there were so many rumours about hair transplants and plastic surgery. When he first came back, that time he dragged beta up on stage, he had more hair than when he was on the illusion tours. 

 

[Lumikki]

6 hours ago, rock4eva said:

Also regarding Yoda & the stuff he went through in 1998 about having to approve people by looking at photos etc, I was told it was Beta that got him into that. It saddens me if this is true as I like TB and they've certainly turned his life around but that stuff was just crazy. I wonder who the person was that came to spend time with him on Christmas Day when he was living in a shed or similar in a bad way. Would that have been Beta? Also has he confirmed he was actually sexually abused by his stepfather or is it assumed by what he says. My understanding is they all may have been but Axl and Amy are the only ones mentioned in interviews. I find it hard to believe that his bio father who took him when he was 2 also sexually abused him, you'd have to be pretty unlucky to have 2 fathers doing that to you & it was only through the regressive therapy that he said his bio father abused him. Then I look at the family photos of his parents, him & siblings & his Grandmother & wonder why you would be at a family gathering if you were treated the way he was by his step father with the bashings & sexual abuse. Wouldn't you not want to have anything to do with a step father like that? I find it all confusing & him saying he remembers being in the womb & knowing he wasn't wanted is a bit too much for me to believe. Sounds more it was ingrained into his mind during the therapy sessions, John Lennon did the same regressive therapy by Yoko's request & look how hated she was for making him do that. The one thing that stands out is what a beautiful looking man (even you guys say this) with such a talent but such a disturbed mind, even now he doesn't seem to have a steady girlfriend or partner or wife. If he had someone he was in love with it would be all over the internet like his 'date' with Lana Del Ray.

 

Wow, a lot to discuss here

1) I agree, Team Brazil's involvement in all this is the one thing that makes me weary about them as well. I like to think Beta and Co. have been good for him, but this gives me pause.

2) What's the Christmas shed story? I don't think I've ever heard of that one.

3) As far as I know, Axl has never talked about being sexually abused by his stepfather in a public interview, only his biological father. But Tom Zutaut claimed in the recent BBC documentary that Axl told him about his stepfather always taking him to the public toilets of a museum to rape him there. Beta also said he was sexually abused by stepfather in one of these shady old interviews from the early 2000s.

4) Yes, regression therapy to uncover memories is shady as fuck. It is mostly thought to be complete bullshit by actual doctors nowadays. But it was popular around the early 90s, together with the whole 'Satanic Panic' thing. There were a lot of people back then with "uncovered memories" who suddenly thought they had been sexually abused in satanic rituals or by their kindergarden teachers, parents or whatever. It led to a lot of false accusations. Basically, people make up things while under hypnosis (or things are suggestes to them by their "therapists" while under hypnosis) and when they wake up they remember what their mind conjured up and think it's an uncovered memory (This is also where the "remembering things from the womb" thing comes from. Probaly just some other false memory he came up with while with his fake therapists.)

But then there is also this point, which is sadly very true as well:

5 hours ago, stella said:

In terms of Axl's mom getting with two different men who were abusive, and Axl being targeted by both of them? That's not uncommon either. Unless they get help, a lot of people end up going from one abusive relationship to the next. Statistically for instance a lot of people who end up in abusive relationships as adults were abused as children, were abandoned by a parent, or grew up in households where they witnessed domestic violence. The cycle keeps repeating. http://www.domesticviolenceroundtable.org/effect-on-children.html

 

5 hours ago, stella said:

And kids who are being abused often learn to cover it very quickly and act completely normal, at least outwardly. They smile in photos, hug the abuser in public, and do everything they can to put up a normal facade. They think that if they "behave better" maybe the abuser will stop hitting them. They're told that their families are everything and that they always have to forgive. They are often told that it's all their fault, and they fear what will happen if they tell. Sometimes they HAVE told someone else and nobody's helped them, and they're still forced to be around their abuser.

Axl got away from his stepfather and wanted nothing to do with him when he was an adult who had come to terms with it all -- when his stepfather couldn't hurt him anymore -- and that's pretty much what happens a lot of the time.

Yep. Like I mentioned in another thread, in the 1980s Axl was even still trying to tell himself that things in his family were completely a-okay. He was talking about how his stepfather was his best friend and how they got along great with now. And that he understood why his stepfather was "being so hard on him". A few years later, he was sick of trying to keep up the act and pretening everything was fine.

It's a growing process and it's complex. Most children, even very mistreated ones, have an innate attachment to their parents and this leads to a lot of confusion and mixed emotions.

 

5 hours ago, stella said:

I have some personal experience with people with eating disorders/mental illness/PTSD. A lot of mental disorders are unfortunately very difficult to treat effectively. Some of it's from abuse and PTSD; some of it is about chemical imbalances in the brain; some of it appears to be from injuries to the brain; some of it is thought to be genetic (like schizophrenia); and some of it is all of the above. If someone has a mental illness there's no shame in it any more than there's shame in having a broken leg or cancer, but there's so much stigma there about it. And unlike that broken leg, there are also so many differences of opinion on how to treat it.

Yes, again it's all very complex unfortunately. I read an article once that talked about how child abuse actually affects the way the brain works and how the various neurological pathways and regions in the brain function. The brains of abused children are actually wired differently than normal in many cases. So this might come into play as well in Axl's case.

 

6 hours ago, -W.A.R- said:

yeah i don't disagree with that but i was just focusing on the school aspect since we were saying he looked like a little nerd

according to Izzy he got allot of shit for being small and didn't get any poon in school hahaha 

Yes, according to Izzy, his teachers and some other people, Axl was a tiny, weird looking kid (these bowl cuts sure didn't help) and he got bullied a lot in school. Which is awful, considering his home life was already so messed up. And then he had a tough time in school as well. Poor kid.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Lumikki

[stella]

14 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

4) Yes, regression therapy to uncover memories is shady as fuck. It is mostly thought to be complete bullshit by actual doctors nowadays. But it was popular around the early 90s, together with the whole 'Satanic Panic' thing. There were a lot of people bakc then with "uncovered memories" who suddenly thought they had been sexually abused in satanic rituals or by their kindergarden teachers, parents or whatever. It led to a lot of false accusations. Basically, people make up things while under hypnosis (or things are suggestes to them by their "therapists" while under hypnosis) and when they wake up they remember what their mind conjured up and think it's an uncovered memory (This is also where the "remembering things from the womb" thing comes from. Probaly just some other false memory he came up with while with his fake therapists.)

But then there is also this point, which is sadly very true as well:

 

The one thing that makes this even more complicated is that there's a difference between regression therapy and recovering genuine repressed memories. People who have experienced great trauma sometimes *do* block out their experiences, and they filter back in later on in different ways. I've heard stories from Holocaust survivors for instance who blocked out everything that had happened in the camps, but they ended up with some major trauma responses, like being afraid of large dogs (like the attack dogs in the camps), hoarding food and becoming obsessive about washing and staying clean. That's a core part of panic attacks associated with PTSD, too -- the person hears, sees or experiences something that triggers a traumatic memory and their brain and body respond to that as though the threat were happening again, right then and there.

In criminal cases, they are sometimes able to recover details about crimes from witnesses under hypnosis. They don't remember things in their conscious minds, but hypnosis is able to help them isolate details like license plate numbers that turn out to be accurate.

So it's entirely possible for a person to have memories they've selectively or purposely blocked out of their minds, just so they can keep going, and then recover those memories later on. 

However, there are also those exploitative therapists and other individuals who do shady stuff like regression therapy and use the power of suggestion to get people to believe that things happened to them when they didn't. And unfortunately, those who are emotionally vulnerable and looking for answers sometimes get taken in by this stuff. And the fact that there are real methods of recovering true repressed memories fuels this even more and makes people think they've stumbled on to something legit that can help them.

 

Edited May 29, 2016 by stella

[Lumikki]

19 minutes ago, stella said:

The one thing that makes this even more complicated is that there's a difference between regression therapy and recovering genuine repressed memories. People who have experienced great trauma sometimes *do* block out their experiences, and they filter back in later on in different ways.

Yes, very true and good point. I didn't mean to suggest there is noch such thing as actual repressed memories. Those are a real thing. And this is also the reason why I don't want to completely dismiss the horrible "raped as a baby" story. But considering who Axl's so-called therapists were and the "credentials" they have, I'm leaning more towards something shady going on.

 

19 minutes ago, stella said:

I've heard stories from Holocaust survivors for instance who blocked out everything that had happened in the camps, but they ended up with some major trauma responses, like being afraid of large dogs (like the attack dogs in the camps), hoarding food and becoming obsessive about washing and staying clean. That's a core part of panic attacks associated with PTSD, too -- the person hears, sees or experiences something that triggers a traumatic memory and their brain and body respond to that as though the threat were happening again, right then and there.

Exactly. While reading Slash's book and the famous story about Axl in the car, I did wonder if there was something specific about being made to apologize that triggered that kind of panic attack/trauma reaction in Axl. Slash even claims he suggested very gently to Axl that he should apologize to his grandmother, but it still was enough to give him some kind of meltdown.

Edited May 29, 2016 by Lumikki