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I agree with @giuls and @Asia, the song doesn't really seem all that romantic to me, but definitely very emotional and sad.

And yes, I do think it's about Axl, because the lyrics fit perfectly.

I think the song describes their relationship in the mid 90s really well- they couldn't agree with each other on anything anymore, they were constantly fighting, constantly "back and forth again". And then they had their break-up and were completely separated.

 

Now you've slipped away (Axl's gone into hiding)
And found a place to stay (high up there on his hill, with Beta and TB)
Who do I congratulate?
But I'm happy for you
(Slash's happy for Axl that he has found some kind of home and family, but he's not particularly thrilled himself?)

Where are you today? (...a question millions of GNR fans have asked themselved as well during the "mystery years")
I sense that you're afraid (Slash was probably right about that)
And I don't know what to do (Slash often didn't seem to know what to do when it comes to Axl...)

I miss you but what does it change?
This confusion feels the same
(he misses Axl, but the situation hasn't improved and it would still be a mess)
Forget you and let you leave
But I'm still thinkin' it through
(he's still not sure if leaving was the right decision)

It's been the conflict between us
That's kept me from sinking before
(it's like Slash has talked about before- the tension between them sparked their creativity and led them to create awesome music and kept them busy)
You drove me crazy and I let you ("Unbeknownst to him, Axl's craziness drives me crazier than it does him")
Come, do it some more (:wub: he'd rather have Axl driving him crazy some more, rather than be without him)

Put the past to bed
We've done it before
(they've had so many fights and problems in the past and always managed to get through them, so why not again?)

Now we're back and forth again
Can we help this pointless thing?
Swingin' like a hinge
To the place we always meet
(all four lines describing their troubled relationship in the mid 90s, all their disagreements, etc.)

There's nothing to say
Except loneliness is strange
(*)
'Cause you wear the face
That I never can leave
(Slash knows he will forever be associated with Axl and GNR and will never be able to escape that. He even said something like that while still in the band once)

And I know you're gonna call (he was so right about that one :heart:)
'Cause you know just where I'll be
Once you come and find me here
I'll be happy for me
(Slash does indeed seem pretty happy now that Axl has found him again :heart:)

So happy to be not alone anymore
We've done it before

Now we're back and forth again
Can we help this pointless thing?
Swingin' like a hinge
To the place we always meet

It's such a shame how little things
Can change your minds
(all their dumb little fights and disagreements, the leeches, etc.)
Don't just sit there filing your nails
And passing the time
(he feels Axl is wasting his time hiding away from the world)

I can't let you bottle it up
And take it too far
(... he did let him bottle it up and take it too far though... :max:)
Carrying all of that weight
Is the hardest part
(**)

Now we're back and forth again
Can we help this pointless thing?
Swingin' like a hinge
To the place we always meet

Back and forth again
Back and forth again
Back and forth again

* This line is the only one that's a bit strange to me. Would Slash really be lonely without Axl? He has/had other people. But then again, to the ICP people he did seem like a lonely, desperate guy who was looking for someone to hang out with. And Slash and Duff did joke about not having any friends during the end of one of the making of the videos, after they couldn't find anyone to go out drinking with them or something lol.

** "Carrying all of that weight / Is the hardest part" I don't know whether he's referring to Axl (Axl carrying the weight of the band alone on his shoulders) or himself there. If he's referring to himself it might be a reference to another line on the album: "Is it me or you / Who carries the weight / To deal with your pain" (from Take It Away, another song that's almost certainly about Axl). That line seems to be Slash -once again- saying that he is the main person affected by Axl's problems. It's "Axl's craziness drives me crazier than it does him" all over again, just using different words. It makes me kind of want to whack Slash with a stick.

To sum up, I think these songs on the first Snakepit album are about Axl:

What Do You Want To Be?
Take It Away
Back And Forth Again


Then there's these two:

Good To Be Alive
Beggars & Hangers On

These often are claimed to be about Axl, but the only thing in Beggars & Hangers On that I could see being about Axl is the chorus, the rest of the song doesn't fit. Good To Be Alive... I know there are a couple of lines in there that seem to be about Axl pretty obviously, but other parts of it also seem pretty strange if the song is supposed to be about Axl :question:

 

 

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6 hours ago, annablue said:

I just unfollowed Ash Hudson on IG...just too much sexy asian girl stuff for me, I know he's a photographer but my feed was getting so congested with all his pics, daily. 

I unfollowed Slash. Can't deal with it. :vomit:

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@Lumikki  About the loneliness part, i can see Slash feeling alone without Axl in 1994/95, i'm thinking about their long talks, about their chemistry on stage and about sharing the burden of being the faces, the most famous members of GNR, even with Duff there, there's shit only between Slaxl.

Plus, even without this, they passed together a lot of time together,  you would feel the absence of someone that was always there.

 

I agree, The weight part is about him going "your problem affected me more deeply thab you and that's why i cant let you bottle it up" (bad Slash, no Slash)

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1 hour ago, giuls said:

It doesn't feel especially romantic, emotional, yes, but it fits the bill for a song about Axl, it would be extra emotional things were just breaking up. 

i can't really see the romantic aspect here, i can see sadness, there's  lot of that. 

1 hour ago, Asia said:

Slash said that more or less half of the songs on the album were about Axl, all those that he wrote. So definitely more than two.

And I personally don't understand that "too romantic" thing. I mean when somebody's friendship is as close, as deep, as affectionate and as intimate (and by intimate I don't necessairily mean sexual, to be honest) as theirs, it really is associated with the same emotions and feelings as any other romantic relationship with the only exception being sex. And even Axl said it himself that his relationship with Slash is no different from a marriage when it comes to their dealings on a personal level. Or to say it in a simpler way - it's love. So unless a song involves obvious sexual elements (like whatever your skin felt like on hot nights or something), then it can't really be too romantic.

And it's not like a concept taken somewhere from the moon - it happens that people have such frienships or other relationships not necessairily associated with fucking that really don't differ from the relationship of a couple on the spiritual and emotional level and can even be closer and more meaningful. It's not like they're the only ones in the world. So I don't see why any song that doesn't specifically deal with somebody's tits or hot body or whatever would be too romantic. I mean Slash claimed he wanted to kill himself, everyone pretty much knows how hard Axl took it so, well, it was emotionally heavy as hell and the feelings involved were dramatic enough to justify any teary song.

That said, I'm not entirely sure about this particular song, though the lyrics fit very well and incorporate some of the things that Slash used to say about Axl in interviews.

I actually agree with you, it just feels kind of romantic to me in places, can't really help that. Lines like the "Come drive me crazy some more" one or Slash going on about being lonely or Axl's face just strike me as stuff that you'd usually come across in love songs.

48 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

** "Carrying all of that weight / Is the hardest part" I don't know whether he's referring to Axl (Axl carrying the weight of the band alone on his shoulders) or himself there. If he's referring to himself it might be a reference to another line on the album: "Is it me or you / Who carries the weight / To deal with your pain" (from Take It Away, another song that's almost certainly about Axl). That line seems to be Slash -once again- saying that he is the main person affected by Axl's problems. It's "Axl's craziness drives me crazier than it does him" all over again, just using different words. It makes me kind of want to whack Slash with a stick.

Yeah, Slash does seem to have a habit of feeling sorry for himself when it comes to Axl's issues.

Kind of interesting that he feels/felt so damn affected by them apparently. Slash is/was always talking about Axl driving him crazy, about him trying to help Axl and being there for Axl,...

I can't think of Duff ever saying anything like that for example.

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47 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

To sum up, I think these songs on the first Snakepit album are about Axl:

What Do You Want To Be?
Take It Away
Back And Forth Again


Then there's these two:

Good To Be Alive
Beggars & Hangers On

These often are claimed to be about Axl, but the only thing in Beggars & Hangers On that I could see being about Axl is the chorus, the rest of the song doesn't fit. Good To Be Alive... I know there are a couple of lines in there that seem to be about Axl pretty obviously, but other parts of it also seem pretty strange if the song is supposed to be about Axl :question:

I agree that the first three are most likely about Axl.

About Good To Be Alive, I never listened to that one much, but I can see it being about Axl. What's strange about it?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jane M. said:

I unfollowed Slash. Can't deal with it. :vomit:

I find Slash tamer in comparison - there's this seedy underbelly to his brothers IG that I can't stomach...it's a fetish thing I don't understand

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On 3/10/2016 at 3:48 PM, giuls said:

i AWWWWED really, really hard, how cute :hug:

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On 3/10/2016 at 5:10 PM, giuls said:

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 There are this one too in Slash's likes, i nicked it from the social media thread, i didnt scroll until september.

This looks like the work of either Scarlett or Lucy Bleu playing with Slash' phone :lol:

I know one of them is secretly in love with Axl.

 

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That would be so funny if Slash's stepdaughters are messing around with his social media accounts:rofl-lol:

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21 minutes ago, Jane M. said:

That would be so funny if Slash's stepdaughters are messing around with his social media accounts:rofl-lol:

I think that's what's going on :P

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37 minutes ago, killuridols said:

I know one of them is secretly in love with Axl.

How do you figure?

Slash's step daughter being in love with Axl would be so... I don't even know what to call that :lol:

 

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47 minutes ago, killuridols said:

 

This looks like the work of either Scarlett or Lucy Bleu playing with Slash' phone :lol:

I know one of them is secretly in love with Axl.

 

It's not a secret if you know it lol

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3 hours ago, Lumikki said:

To sum up, I think these songs on the first Snakepit album are about Axl:

What Do You Want To Be?
Take It Away
Back And Forth Again


Then there's these two:

Good To Be Alive
Beggars & Hangers On

These often are claimed to be about Axl, but the only thing in Beggars & Hangers On that I could see being about Axl is the chorus, the rest of the song doesn't fit. Good To Be Alive... I know there are a couple of lines in there that seem to be about Axl pretty obviously, but other parts of it also seem pretty strange if the song is supposed to be about Axl :question:

- What Do You Want To Be? and Take It Away: I agree that these two are about Axl.

- Good To Be Alive: to me this is most likely about Axl as well. Which parts do you find strange?

- Beggars & Hangers On: I agree; it doesn't seem to be about Axl.

- Back And Forth Again: Although your analysis is very plausible (and I agree with you, @Asia, @giuls and @Frey that the lyrics are not "romantic" or anything like that), I have some doubts about this one. Its mood is different than the other two songs (or three, if we count Good To Be Alive in); these are angry, nasty even, while Back And Forth is more empathetic and affectionate. And it doesn't reflect so much the situation in the band, as Slash has described it (with Tobias and all that), at the time when he supposedly wrote all these songs (i.e. during 1994). It fits more to the period during of after the Snakepit tour and a little before Slash quit. Of course he could have written this earlier than the other songs, when he wasn't so angry.

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Wait. I may have missed the boat and trying to understand here...

I've seen many references on this thread on "Slash's stepdaughters"... urmm are Slash and Meegan already married? Because I thought they are still dating. So I may have missed the big news bummer....when??

Or....they haven't tied the knot yet but it's the norm to refer the kids of their other half's as step? Honest ques here...

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lol @ Beggars being about Axl. 

its pretty hilarious to think about Slash falling to pieces and not being able to get out of bed because Axl is promised to a wealthy man.

its almost like thinking This I Love is about Slash 

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5 hours ago, Blackstar said:

- What Do You Want To Be? and Take It Away: I agree that these two are about Axl.

- Good To Be Alive: to me this is most likely about Axl as well. Which parts do you find strange?

- Beggars & Hangers On: I agree; it doesn't seem to be about Axl.

- Back And Forth Again: Although your analysis is very plausible (and I agree with you, @Asia, @giuls and @Frey that the lyrics are not "romantic" or anything like that), I have some doubts about this one. Its mood is different than the other two songs (or three, if we count Good To Be Alive in); these are angry, nasty even, while Back And Forth is more empathetic and affectionate. And it doesn't reflect so much the situation in the band, as Slash has described it (with Tobias and all that), at the time when he supposedly wrote all these songs (i.e. during 1994). It fits more to the period during of after the Snakepit tour and a little before Slash quit. Of course he could have written this earlier than the other songs, when he wasn't so angry.

I have a little bit of information about this. There are some quotes on Chinese Whispers, where Slash explains who wrote the lyrics for what song.

"I think it's pretty easy to tell which songs he wrote and which ones I wrote: all of my songs are directed at one person... though no-one picked up on it at the time. I used the record as an opportunity to vent a lot of shit that I needed to get off my chest." (Slash, Autobiography)

"I had two songs with lyrics I'd finished myself, 'Be the Ball', and 'Take It Away'... 'What Do You Want to Be' is me and Eric... 'I Hate Everybody But You' is the closest I ever got to a love song, I wrote most of the lyrics for that... 'Back and Forth Again' was my title but Eric had the lyrics. It's about people not being able to come to some cohesive understanding and breaking up." (Slash, Metal Edge Magazine, 04/95)

"One of the first songs Eric did was a song called 'Beggars and Hangers-On', where he wrote the whole song in one night. I was really impressed with that... It's about everybody we know! Half the girls I've met in my career to this point... So we went to Rumbo in the Valley and wrote the lyrics and melodies for 13 songs in one day." (Slash, Metal Edge Magazine, 04/95)

Personally I don't think 'I Hate Everybody But You' is about Axl, but I'm open for crazy over the top, yet insightful song interpretations by the Slaxl Club Members and their Chairman! :lol:@Frey

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3 hours ago, rweb said:

Hi Girls, 

Excuse if someone already posted. But... This man is Stephen, Axl's "father"? :shrugs:

"Stephen L. Bailey" in Indiana??? :question:

http://randolphcounty.us/stephen-l-bailey

http://law.justia.com/cases/indiana/court-of-appeals/2000/06200003-lmb.html 

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/archive/06200003.lmb.html 

No.  :facepalm:   First, the name is wrong.  Axl's stepfather is L. Stephen Bailey.  Second, he was about 67 years old in 2014, and the guy in the photo looks much younger.

https://billiongraves.com/grave/L-Stephen-Bailey/3847448#/

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I've been lurking here for a bit trying to work up the courage to say hi :o So erm... hi!!

I love this thread! So informative and entertaining. I've been coming here first, then the main thread if I have time. The chat about Axl's hair was brilliant, as is the Slaxl discussion, so funny :heart: 

I've been a GNR fan since age 13 back when AFD first came out... but I have nowhere near as much knowledge as the long-time members here ... Hope to be able to contribute in some form anyway. xx

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Thank you @lilacmess for the quotes!

I don't know about @Lumikki but the line that strike me as, i don't know, cruel? in Good to be alive is "And the ugly truth has raped you/They're saying you're a lousy lay"  knowing Axl's background but you know, this is an angry song. It doesn't make me doubt it's about Axl, thought, it's about Axl.

 

Welcome to the thread @money honey!

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@money honey Hi and welcome :D

 

7 hours ago, -W.A.R- said:

lol @ Beggars being about Axl. 

its pretty hilarious to think about Slash falling to pieces and not being able to get out of bed because Axl is promised to a wealthy man.

its almost like thinking This I Love is about Slash 

Yeah, that's why I always have to laugh when people suggest Beggars is about Axl :lol: It's like they've never heard anything but the chorus of that song lol.

 

11 hours ago, Blackstar said:

- Good To Be Alive: to me this is most likely about Axl as well. Which parts do you find strange?

 

13 hours ago, Frey said:

I agree that the first three are most likely about Axl.

About Good To Be Alive, I never listened to that one much, but I can see it being about Axl. What's strange about it?

You told me you're an orphan
The same old standard line
Then when we moved in together
All you did was moan and cry
Talkin' like you'd make it
On life's big movie screen
I had to say I loved you
Just to try and keep the peace

This entire bit here for example. Assuming we're supposed to take these lines literally, I think they fit better with some random woman than with Axl.

- Axl told Slash he was an orphan? Doubtful. Back when they first met and were really close, Axl was still in his "Daddy is my best friend" phase (or getting there). Though it's possible he said something like that later to him during the 90s I guess...

- But then again the 90s wouldn't fit with the time line proposed in the song: "Then when we moved in together". Also, what would Slash be talking about here by him and Axl moving in together? Axl living with Slash's family for a while? Them all living in the storage space? "Then when we moved in together" sounds more like something two people (a couple) would do; moving in together into a new place. I know Axl supposedly had aspirations to do just that with Slash, but since that never worked out...

- All you did was moan and cry. That does sound like Axl, granted. And how Slash would probably describe Axl rambling about his feelings if he was in a less charitable mood.

- "Talkin' like you'd make it on life's big movie screen" Seems weird that he would criticize Axl for that when they all had the same dream (and when they did indeed make it). Sounds more like these countless girls who come to L.A. with hopes of being an actress or a model or something, but then they never make it and end up as strippers or porn stars (just like all the girls they used to hang out with; Adriana Smith, etc.)

- "I had to say I loved you just to try and keep the peace". Also sounds more like something a nagging girlfriend would demand. I can't really see Slash feeling pressured (or Axl demanding from Slash) to tell him that he loves him. Whether in private or while talking to the media.

I couldn't make excuses about
Everything you said
You want to show your bruises
Let's throw a party for the band
Now here they come a dancin'
Like the powder to your nose
Why don't you cut your head off
Spite your face let's do the show

This does sound like it's about Axl. Though the "You want to show your bruises" line kind of leaves a bad taste in your mouth, even though Slash probably was just whining about Axl being all "woe is me" all the time.

Tearing at the membrane
Of the first new thing in years
Found a nagging consolation
In a glass of Everclear
And the ugly truth has raped you
They're saying you're a lousy lay
But isn't everything that way

"And the ugly truth has raped you / They're saying you're a lousy lay". Unfortunate word choices aside (because yes, like @giuls said, this is kind of cruel too if we're assuming the song is about Axl), what the hell is that? :lol: Slash randomly taking a cheap shot at Axl's skills in bed? And who's saying Axl is a lousy lay? Were there rumors about that back in the day? And why would Slash care anyway? :P (Plus, it's not like Slash has much room to talk here, if groupies and ex-wives are to be believed :lol::facepalm:)

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, cheesecake said:

Wait. I may have missed the boat and trying to understand here...

I've seen many references on this thread on "Slash's stepdaughters"... urmm are Slash and Meegan already married? Because I thought they are still dating. So I may have missed the big news bummer....when??

Or....they haven't tied the knot yet but it's the norm to refer the kids of their other half's as step? Honest ques here...

As far as I know they aren't married

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11 hours ago, killuridols said:

 

This looks like the work of either Scarlett or Lucy Bleu playing with Slash' phone :lol:

I know one of them is secretly in love with Axl.

 

 

11 hours ago, Frey said:

How do you figure?

Slash's step daughter being in love with Axl would be so... I don't even know what to call that :lol:

 

Sorry but heading down this line of thinking I feel is uncalled for on a public forum. I appreciate these girls have IG accounts but they are not public figures. I defend the existence of this thread a fair bit so please don't push it too far with the unfounded speculations.

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4 hours ago, triad said:

No.  :facepalm:   First, the name is wrong.  Axl's stepfather is L. Stephen Bailey.  Second, he was about 67 years old in 2014, and the guy in the photo looks much younger.

https://billiongraves.com/grave/L-Stephen-Bailey/3847448#/

Yes, my thoughts exactly.

Also looking at this guy's crimes... I can see Axl's step dad committing traffic violations (I mean he was an insane driver even with small children in the car apparently), but burglary?! Various other misdemeanors? Doesn't sound like something a straight-laced christian fundamentalist type would do. He'd have to really have changed his ways or have some kind of mental breakdown if he went from being a preacher to being a burglar.

4 hours ago, lilacmess said:

I have a little bit of information about this. There are some quotes on Chinese Whispers, where Slash explains who wrote the lyrics for what song.

"I think it's pretty easy to tell which songs he wrote and which ones I wrote: all of my songs are directed at one person... though no-one picked up on it at the time. I used the record as an opportunity to vent a lot of shit that I needed to get off my chest." (Slash, Autobiography)

"I had two songs with lyrics I'd finished myself, 'Be the Ball', and 'Take It Away'... 'What Do You Want to Be' is me and Eric... 'I Hate Everybody But You' is the closest I ever got to a love song, I wrote most of the lyrics for that... 'Back and Forth Again' was my title but Eric had the lyrics. It's about people not being able to come to some cohesive understanding and breaking up." (Slash, Metal Edge Magazine, 04/95)

"One of the first songs Eric did was a song called 'Beggars and Hangers-On', where he wrote the whole song in one night. I was really impressed with that... It's about everybody we know! Half the girls I've met in my career to this point... So we went to Rumbo in the Valley and wrote the lyrics and melodies for 13 songs in one day." (Slash, Metal Edge Magazine, 04/95)

Personally I don't think 'I Hate Everybody But You' is about Axl, but I'm open for crazy over the top, yet insightful song interpretations by the Slaxl Club Members and their Chairman! :lol:@Frey

9 hours ago, Blackstar said:

- Back And Forth Again: Although your analysis is very plausible (and I agree with you, @Asia, @giuls and @Frey that the lyrics are not "romantic" or anything like that), I have some doubts about this one. Its mood is different than the other two songs (or three, if we count Good To Be Alive in); these are angry, nasty even, while Back And Forth is more empathetic and affectionate. And it doesn't reflect so much the situation in the band, as Slash has described it (with Tobias and all that), at the time when he supposedly wrote all these songs (i.e. during 1994). It fits more to the period during of after the Snakepit tour and a little before Slash quit. Of course he could have written this earlier than the other songs, when he wasn't so angry.

Great quotes, @lilacmess!

@Blackstar I agree about the mood of BAFA being different. But I always kind of assumed that's why it's the last song on the album- to end the album on a slightly less bitter, more hopeful (though still melancholy) note. Or at least on a question mark.

But if the lyrics for that one really were written by Eric Dover for the most part, then that's a moot discussion anyway. Though Slash's explanation for the song "It's about people not being able to come to some cohesive understanding and breaking up" still fits Axl and Slash's situation lol.

Now for the other stuff...

Slash: "All of my songs are directed at one person." (Axl)

Also Slash: "'I Hate Everybody But You' is the closest I ever got to a love song, I wrote most of the lyrics for that."

:awesomeface:

I see what you did there, @lilacmess :P

Seriously though, I think this is once again a case of Slash being forgetful and getting things about himself or his own life wrong lol. Apart from the fact that "I Hate Everybody But You" would pose the same problem as BAFA (being much different in tone than the other songs about Axl), the idea of that song being about Axl is just... :rofl-lol:

I mean...

"You rub me all the right ways baby"

Okay then, Slash :awesomeface:

When you were told you're too old
To strip to pay the bills
You moved in with your loser friends
So you could take designer pills
Take it how you want it
Scream that you were framed
Cause you beat
My sister's looks and all
But the sex is just the same

Axl was told he was too old to strip to pay the bills? Mean :max: I would have watched him strip all day long. And Slash has sex with Axl, who looks better than his sister? Well that's not exactly a hard thing to achieve, considering that Slash doesn't have a sister :lol:

Back to being serious, I remember reading somewhere that this song is about Perla. And that works way better.

I hate everybody but you
Seems no matter what I do
I can't help feelin' paranoid
Of what's in it for you
(Slash was already suspecting Perla of being a gold digger)

I hate everybody but you
But I got no one else to turn to
(here we go again with Slash apparently being lonely)
If I end up getting screwed
I might as well get screwed by you
(well, he did end up getting screwed by her :rolleyes:)

 

 

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