Mysteron

34 minutes ago, cineater said:

Yeah, I'm old school.  And still pissed off at losing my MTV, fuckers.

Aye, back in the day when we all we had was a few tv channels

The boys and girls are a bit precious and sensitive these days with their interweb. People paying to going to concerts, fliming them on their phones instead of watching them. What is that about. 

God help society in 50 years time

- tongue in cheek banter with cin. 

2 hours ago, cineater said:

Not being a bitch here but do you have any research or data based facts to support that opinion?

I read some of the stuff folks say and think, is that just what you think or have you really checked into the facts and have anything to back up what you say?  Maybe if the board wants to be taken more seriously, listened to, on what they offer up as helpful, they should back it up with facts, like articles, research, stuff like that.  Not that I think the band reads here but that may be why they don't feel the conversations are valuable to them and stopped being interested in what was being said on the boards.

There was a time when life was simpler eh  

15 minutes ago, action said:

if TB is not interested in communicating with this part of the fanbase (your claim), then ignoring this and trying to communicate anyway, is bordering on stalking a bit.

I'm not sure what you're trying to do here. By your own acount, they are not interested in communicating. You think you are able to change their attitude?

The reasoning of a stalker.

"She's not interested in me, but if I keep calling here, she'll love me eventually"

.... ehhhh no. you'll just make a fool of yourself

Soulmonster was just saying if a group of people got together and talked to TB, something might happen. Other's have said, it doesn't work.

You accuse Soul of being a stalker.

These posts do not help, it is random and dramatic

TB might think that true fans will join up to the fan club and be fans, and engage the forum. It's a small number on here compared to the few million who went to the concerts, it maybe acts as a filter.

I saw the DJ Ashba story and thought that set a tone to some degree as to a possible opinion towards the old forums.

I don't know, but centralising the long term fanbase seems a thing that they might do or consider now the band have reformed and consider themselves bigger and better than the pre CD years

10 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

There has been sporadic attempts at communicating with them since they took over the management, rarely with much success. Mostly because they are not interested in communicating directly with this part of the fan base. Communication simply isn't there strong suit. What they should do is hire a public relations person, a Bryn Bridenthal for this millennium. 

So developing a working relationship with them will not happen over night. But with the prospect of them managing GN'R for the next decade, and fandom being a long-lasting thing, I simply see no reason to not make an effort if there is a possibility of success - the rewards are too great. But this is of course something everybody must decide for themselves. I just wanted to say that not everybody has given up. Even knowing there is a great chance of it not working. But what's the fun in trying something that is easy?

Ok, honest opinion.

I think the fan forums of yesterday are being laid to waste and are now places where people are free to do and say whatever, but are ignored by the band, except when something bad happens.

I'm guessing, but I think the official fan forum (and social media) is now probably the place to address things with the band, although people say no one uses it. Never been there, so I don't know.

So, as a suggestion, if they are going down that path maybe that is an area TB could improve. 

I have no idea, but it's a suggestion

19 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

As I have said quite a few times, I don't think all hope is lost. And I am genetically wired against quitting. But I am not criticising those who have given up, I am just trying to rally people for another effort. We all want the same here. 

If the forum has tried, then I agree with everyone else, it is probably a waste of time.

I still see management as a bigger thing than the issues of individuals on a forum, (and I do not know much about YouTube), but as with the Irish fan, there seems to be a genuine, and passionate, response to something happening with GN'R, and it would be nice for them (TB), at some point, to address it.

I think talk of rallying people, and public apologies is a bit drama, but it'd be good for the situation to be resolved. An appropriate response, I think that's the wording

36 minutes ago, default_ said:

Just to add something to the table: I'm a graphic artist and I've recently put a YouTube channel focused on art and a instagram page. I've done an Izzy fanart and uploaded the video on the process of doing it to YouTube and Instagram with Izzy's Train Tracks as background music.

The video was removed both from YouTube and Instagram. 

I did another version of this video, this time just to see where it would go with 14 Years extended demo from one of the Illusion sessions, it was again removed from YouTube but not from Instagram.

What bugs me is: Do they have power even over Izzy songs?

JuJu Hounds was released by Geffen by the way.

I don't know how it works. There a lot of stuff online about it, there was even a story of a bands own official video being taken off their official youtube page by one of these takedowns.

52 minutes ago, zombux said:

if you call "fanatical fans" all the people who'd just like their favourite band to be releasing stuff just as every other band in the world, and would like to have some normal communication from the band/mgmt just as every other band/mgmt is doing - I see. then probably all of us must be fanatical, maybe besides huge piles of super casual fans who just go to shows to sing along KOHD and buy tshirt and toy truck. it's sad that these are the only target audience of the band for nearly a decade already, and definitely since the NITL reunion. the band and management showed numerous times (and keeps doing so) that everyone else who's more than super casual can just fuck off.

this band's and this bands psychopathic management's attitude towards all of us is flat out hostile. everyone is frustrated because the fat axl memes are probably the only thing we can talk about for a long time. yeah, childish as hell, but hey - don't tell me the fanbase is to blame. every other band in the world and every other management in the world is trying to have a nice relationship with their fanbases and both parties are super happy about it. in GNR world - not so much.

GNR management is probably the only management in the world, which has been and still is actively working on alienating the band from its fanbase. so no wonder people are frustrated and fed up with those incompetent clowns. all they can "manage" is probably selling some merch online and make Axl a cup of tea. everything else is massively successful almost despite their tryings. if the "management" just packed their things and went to hell, this snowball would still be massively successful, just for being there (and the label would probably make sure everything would make sense from the commercial point of view - but again - just the reunion itself is a cash generating machine, so why trying to "improve" something which generates billions without even trying)

rant end.

To be fair, I do not read everything about the band anymore, so you could be right. All I see though is the band have reformed to some degree, and they've had a good world tour. People who I know who have gone to see the band enjoyed the shows and that's it. I think the only thing I've ever recorded was a Cult show years ago, only because a friend was wondering what they were like many years later. That got taken down after a few weeks by YouTube, but I never thought anything of it.

I don't know if anyone else agrees, but I can go back 10-15 years and think the band have not embraced the internet very well, or engaged with the fans well. If you look at Weezer even in the late 90s, Karl (I think his name was) was engaging with the fans really well. The band was posting unreleased tracks on their website against the record labels wishes, it was all very different to GN'R. Even going forward, there appears to be bands to have established fan clubs and official forums that thrive and do really well. But none of this ever happened with GN'R. Getting Merck to engage, well, it wasn't a chore, but it was hard, and that's all there really was. But, after reading the Axl interviews years later, I just assumed the band, Axl mainly, just had too much going on in the background. Lawsuits, expectations of the record label, financial problems. An because the band was silent, there ended up being a lot of negativity and there ended up being a them and us type of scenario. Basically, what I saying is, a lot of the feelings people have today may stem from yesteryear, and TB have just been handed a baton from the last manager, and  have kept things going. 

I know someone is going to say, videos have been taken off youtube, it is TB's fault, blah blah blah, I'm just looking at things from a broader perspective. I'm just thinking, if the band are seen to have a successful tour, release a new album, then have another successful tour, then despite all the badness, there is, at least, some good work being done somewhere.

11 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Ha! Fighting irish and all that 🤛

I saw that. I should have guessed. What am I like messing with the Irish haha

2 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

If you look back at the last couple of pages, you'll see I haven't posted much at all. The only time I get involved with the thread is when I happen to see someone post the ridiculous notion that TB have nothing to do with the takedowns and/or haven't lied about it. 

Couldn't agree more that the forum isn't about nor should be about TB. However, the forum is very much about GNR and its fans. Those two things have crossed paths because of how poorly GNRs management have chosen to treat GNR fans. 

They are good people. It is what it is, just let it go, or, be, if you are beatles man. 

It's a hard job, and we do have some fanatical fans 

I don't know what else to say

9 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

He is the man, in every other setting. I allow him that. When he's on here he is Fernando speaking as the advocate for gnr.

Fair enough. I like your passion anyway. 

I have other stories, but you can speak to the band and their management as people, not as representatives of the band

Just now, Tom2112 said:

It's not my opinion, it's his job. If he comes on reddit talking about gnr, that's gnrs manager on reddit discussing gnr... not Axls friend. 

If he comes on here and attacks you or anyone else about the things we criticize about axl and gnr. That response may be rooted in that he loves Axl very dearly... but he is The manager and in a public forum speaking about gnr even indirectly is official.

He might even disagree with me on this, but you don't see other managers trying to blur the lines on this, if they discuss their artist it's to promote or defuse any potential advantage or disadvantage coming their way. Maybe tb are just cut from a different cloth 😉

You've got to allow Fernando to be the man and the manager. It wasn't his job for a lot of years and he still posted.

Management have never done things officially through forums, I would know this because I was the conduit during the Merck era.

Fernando here is Fernando

Also, if it was Fernando on Reddit, why the hell post and annoy him into silence. Where is the sense in that. He was trying to be nice and give out information, but no, people have to go and criticise TB then he just disappears.

What is the sense that that, and where is the value to the actual GN'R fan who wants to know what is coming next.

People do not think about what they are saying, there is no respect anymore, not just about the band but for other fans.

I just do not get how anything works anymore.

27 minutes ago, GNRfanMILO said:

Why do you keep spreading this nonsense? You do know that YouTube is not the only place where videos are being removed from, right?
 

Facebook fanpages with literally hundreds of thousands of likes have been deleted forever because of copyrighted videos that were uploaded to the pages (and not copy-pasting YT links, I mean by actually uploading the videos to Facebook).

Instagram posts have been deleted, which also have nothing to do with YouTube (Instagram is Facebook and YouTube is Google).

I lost the main Twitter account of my fanpage, with 15k followers, because they took down videos that were uploaded there (again, not YouTube links, by uploading them myself). So there you have Twitter that isn't Facebook's property nor Google's.

Discord users have been banned from the platform (and Discord users that were owners of servers, so those servers are gone too) because "someone" reported them for spreading "illegal material".

 

Just to name a few. So please stop trying to justify this. You are wrong. Thank you.

blah, blah, blah. None of this existed 30 years ago

The geek at school from back in the day has now become the warrior of today. Hidden faces behind a keyboard armed with opinions and grandeur. 

I liked Discord for a while, it was nice speaking to a few old fans, but people just post fat Axl pictures, over and over. It's maybe humour, but it's childish and people just do it over and over because they cannot think of anything new to do. That's the keyboard warrior of today.

Again, this thread. I posted again because I was going to say for the 100th time the same thing to Russ' post, which he has posted 100 times. But then, I stopped.

It's a broken record. Videos are getting deleted, so be it. Just deal with it. There are nutty fans, it's not a new thing on GN'R forums. TB agree with it, who cares. The forum isn't about them. 

What I have posted is a lot of wibble, I will agree. I am just wanting people to be better than this playground type talk. Just deal with it and move on.

8 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Sorry, but you can't split up the things that he says about gnr. Saying one thing is manager Fernando the other is family Fernando... this just isn't possible. In a public forum if he discusses or defends gnr he is the manager and a representative of the band. What he says behind closed doors unrelated to gnr is private life/not manager fernando.

Fernando was here before he was TB. There is an official and unofficial Fernando. Fernando had a go at me years ago, but that was him, not a TB him

I get what people are saying, but they are people as well as managers of GN'R. If you want to take everything that is said on an official level, that's fine, but that is your personal opinion. 

I just see everything as a little one dimensional. They've always seemed like nice people, and I just think that in this modern era of computers and facebook, that people have lost the ability to relate what is written to real life and the outside world.

1 minute ago, Tom2112 said:

Why does he have to reach out informally? 

If he wants to talk to fans shy doesn't  he contact a forum and do it, OR why not just get the facts from people who know and release a statement detailing preventative measures.

I don't know really.

I've just always assumed with TB, you get the official TB side, the management side. Then you get Beta and Fernando, the people that know Axl on a personal level.

I have never disagreed in my head with what Russ is alluding to, but I don't see it as a TB, the official management thing. I see it as them as people, maybe imparting opinions, or something else. And if that is the case, then so be it. They are a family of sorts, and it's natural for families to protect each other.

I assumed the Fernando on reddit was a Fernando thing, not a TB thing. He was just being him outside work, thought he'd reach out on a personal level, as he has done in the past.

Maybe my thinking is wrong, but it's just the way I see it.

I just think for me, even if the worst case scenario is right, who cares. TB work for Axl, and if he's happy with what they do then that is all that matters. The forum is about the band, not TB, let them worry about who the staff are. 

There must be other ways of sharing media outside of YouTube, set up a closed section of the forum where people cannot see the links, find ways to fix it. Proactivity rather than reactivity.

I get people are annoyed that videos are being taken down, but 61 pages of the same comments over and over..?

52 minutes ago, FRANSAD said:

Well, it's a long story, but you asking this is another reason to create an explainer video, the same goes for the numerous 'innocent' YouTubers that suddenly lost their channels which they, in some cases, had for years without any problem. All because TB felt the need to put some idiots in charge of removing videos from YT. While they could have easily made a statement about it so people would know and have peace with it. But no instead of that they asked people to share and tag them into any gnr related video for easy removal. What a way to treat your fans, think it's about time to repay them with an unremovable video and tag em all over it.  /end of rant.

Obviously the rant bit is yesterday's news, but if you can find a way to fix this, then that'd be a good thing 

5 minutes ago, estrangedtwat said:

Are you the real Mysteron?   You go waaay back....one of the first posters I remember having a legit "insider" cred.

One time I pretended to be you in a chat for about five minutes, pretending to "know stuff," but I immediately felt guilty and logged off.  I'm not a dishonest person and I'm absolutely shit at lying, so I was unable to be one of these people impersonating others or having fake alt accounts.  

Haha, funny I am, but it was a long time ago, stay on topic 

9 minutes ago, adamsapple said:

What a fucking soap opera!

Not to attack anyone but, you know, with GNR it used to be us and them against the world, now it's us against us and them - when it should be all about bringing people together through music.

Remember we all love the same band, the same music. That is what connects everyone here, regardless the story, age, income, country, race or religion. So let's not kill each other about our personal opnions on a stupid fucking management while our gladiators are laughing all the way to the bank. We are better than that. Or at least we should be.

Completely agree. 

11 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Again, believe what you want to believe. However, I've seen the actual proof. Some of which has been posted today, in this thread. 

Either way, I'm not going to put up with you accusing me of "peddling an anti TB thing" when that's absolutely not and has never been the case.

Whatever, just saying what I'm reading. If I am wrong, then I apologise. TB act on behalf on an artist in a band, Slash has a manager, Duff has a manager, they are just people who do stuff on behalf of the artist, not jedi masters who control youtube. And, if you manage a band, do you focus on the millions who attend concerts over three years, or a few people on a forum. 

1 minute ago, RussTCB said:

Haha, what? I'm peddling an anti TB thing? 

Wow. Nothing could be further from the truth, but as I've told others: believe what you want to believe. 

To be fair, I've been on the discord for a while and I get the feeling you cannot believe anything you read. There is a lot of interplay and illusion. It's fun to read, but it'd be dangerous to draw any conclusions about anyone

The fanbase it what it is, the band has attracted some interesting individuals over the years and it is why a lot of people still post on the forums. The last thing I would do though is form any conclusions about who has done what, and about TB not acting over anything. All too complicated

5 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

For the record, I couldn't care less what anyone believes or doesn't believe. 

As I said previously, I'm also couldn't care less who likes or dislikes TB. All I'm doing is stating facts. 

If you choose not to believe stone cold facts that are presented, that's entirely up to each individual. 

I get the racist thing, that is not good

Otherwise, you are peddling an anti TB thing and it is not your forum. The personalities of GN'R have been around a long time, long before you were here, and have been managed in whatever way, and one should never base any opinion on anything they say or do. That is just the way it is.