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14 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Correct. The record label as absolutely nothing to do with this. The takedowns are the direct work of people acting on behalf of TB, which has been proven. 

They can flag, that is all they can do. 

11 minutes ago, kiwiguns said:

Why are some of you so concerned about the bands management, that has no effect on their personal lives?. Some of you are acting as if the bands management, manage your daily lives. 

If this issue does not effect you personally, than why are you wasting your time on the bands management and how they choose to manage issues, that only effect the band. 

Its has been clear for some time, that the band nor its management are not directly involved in content being removed. Case closed. 

Now, some of you are concerned about  the response by a member of the bands management to a person on social media , and have seen this as an opportunity to be little this person because of her background or questioning her motivation. 

Why bother wasting your own personal time and effort, given none of you know the person (Beta) personally, with this person having no involvement in our personal lives. 

Reading peoples comments, more so people who have taken to personality attacking the character of Beta or members of the bands management, makes these people acting on boarderline stalker behaviour, "A person who harasses or persecutes someone with unwanted and obsessive attention". 

Beta's current comments regarding Margot and the previous racist comments do not sit well

Facts are facts. It is what it is

2 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Why would the record company give a shit?

They own the recordings, it is what they do. Axl has very little say in what happens, he can only flag the recordings.

5 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

THey support circus loons. One of which photoshopped poor Margott as an ape

For that, Fuck Fernando and his brain dead yoko ono hanger on freak cult family

Any racism needs to be dealt with.

Just now, vloors said:

Doubt its the record company. No other UMG artists are getting take downs like this.

They are

7 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

What has 2 heads and sucks?

 

Beta and @Fernando

People are inherently good, let's not go there.

The record company, I presume, have control over the take downs, and the Lebeis family will be naturally protective of Axl. It all has to be taken into context.

Let's see who has done what, if someone could get Margot to post, that'd be good. If Mojo could pm me on one of their alts, that be good too. 

Aside from that, carry on

OK, it's not comfortable reading. Who are the moderators on Nightrain?

Had emails, confident of some of Axl management not being behind encouraging takedowns, but the racism thing is concerning. 

If people could PM me with what they know, it'd be appreciated

I read up to Page 14 so far, and it appears to be the record company, not TB, taking the videos down. A fan might be flagging the vids, but it is the record company.

Facts related to the record company, gossip relates to TB

I'll continue to read

Gets interesting on page 18

1 minute ago, RussTCB said:

Margot isn't blaming Beta. You might want to read back through the thread to get a handle on what's happening. Things will most likely make more sense then. 

Ok, will do

Just now, Derick said:

I know Portuguese too and even between those know the language there’s a peculiar thing called text interpretation. At her text she told that she’s sick of her for causing confusion/ trouble. 

Makes more sense

Still not understanding everything else. How is Beta able to remove songs from YouTube? She represents one member of a band that is a partnership, even then, I am presuming the record company own the assets so there's not a lot the band could do anyway. So why is Margot blaming Beta, seemingly repeatedly to get her annoyed? It doesn't make sense.

Who is taking the videos down?

9 minutes ago, Thorbear said:

I also think there are different ways to read Betas reply, and if I understand it correctly it has been google translated as well?

No, it is 'her', not 'it'. Ela means her. Carry on

Sorry to chime in.

It reads to me that Beta is saying that Margot is confused, and that she is sick of it, the video pulling, and not her as in Margot. I might be reading it wrong though. Maybe Margot posted videos that have been removed, and she has mentioned it to TB?

I saw it on Sunday and enjoyed it. I just saw it as a good backstory for one of the villains in the Batman universe, and it felt like a Batman movie beit a bit more violent than usual.

6 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Those things happen to other bands who have absolutely no problem releasing music on a regular basis. 

True, but those things happen to other bands and they split up. Each story has a different path

30 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

GNR has 4 studio albums and an EP. That's not "tons of songs" by any stretch of the imagination. 

Chinese Democracy is my favorite GNR album and I like Hard School and Atlas Shrugged, but none of that has nothing to do with that fact that they have an incredibly small discography for a band that's been around for 30+ years. 

I'm reasonably sure the person who posted about helping them write songs was joking, as was I when I quoted them. Again though, it's clear that Axl must need help writing songs if he's only been capable of such a small amount of output over such a large period of time. 

I get that you are basing an opinion purely on output. But have albums been handed in and rejected. Have members coming and going affected the process. Have legal problems affected anything. It is only clear based on the output, nothing more.

1 minute ago, RussTCB said:

We're all in agreement that a smaller venue is cool. 

The disagreements came about when people started trying to justify the insane prices the band is charging for those two shows. 

6 minutes ago, downzy said:

I think there's little justification for those prices in any real objective sense.  I hate paying anything above $100 for a concert since it's so momentary.  Live music is great and all, but real money for a concert experience doesn't sit well with me.  That said, everyone is different and many might find what I spend on replacement heads for my electric toothbrush (Philips Diamond Clean, FYI) might be crazy.  

If there are people out there who truly see the value of spending a couple of grand to see GNR in a small venue, then so be it.  Not how I would spend my money, but apparently there are those out there willing to fork over thousands to meet a rock star in person.  It only makes sense there's enough people out there who'd spend a small fortune to have a somewhat unique concert experience.  I don't necessarily begrudge the band for charging what a number of people are willing to pay.  The only time I take issue with a band is when they misread a market and have to discount tickets closer to the date.  It penalizes (to a certain degree) those who jumped on early.  If GNR can sell out a 4000 person venue with sky high tickets, well, good for them.  

Could I afford it if I had to.  Sure.  Will I?  Absolutely not.  Those criticizing others for not being able to afford it are missing the point.  

There should be no criticism anywhere. Going with Russ' point. The tickets are for the people who see value in the prices. There are other venues, and other tickets for other people 

2 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Did you not see the part where I was telling everyone who said they're going that I'm happy for them and I hope they have a great time? 

In short, none of this has anything to do with what each person can afford. It's about what each person sees the value in. Just because someone chooses to go to an expensive dinner or concert and someone else chooses not to does not make either side superior to the other. 

Ur first paragraph is nice. 

I have no idea how my comments helter skeltered to where its at, but I'll go with ur first paragraph. I think the smaller venue will be a great experience 

21 minutes ago, downzy said:

Look, for years artist would charge “fair” prices for their tickets and scalpers would sell them at inflated prices because that’s ultimately what the market will bear.  Artists have decided to be their own scalpers since they figure they should make the most money from their performances rather than an independent scalper.

It is what it is. 

Is it crazy for the average Joe like myself. Yep. Makes zero sense. But I don’t have fuck you money. It’s the same reason I don’t get too upset at not being able to afford to have GNR play my birthday party, when other people can and have.  

If the market will bear $2k seats in Vegas, then so be it. 

If not, well, be prepared to see some pretty hefty  price cutting closer to the date. 

We’ve seen this at many GNR concerts as well as last year’s Locked and Loaded Box set. 

Guns N’ Roses is a business first and foremost. This should be apparent to anyone paying attention the last twenty years. Not ideal for us fans, but as I said before, it is what it is. 

Exactly

10 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

You didn't say anything that was over anyone's head. Your overall point was just incorrect is all.

I've had meals that expensive too but I've never felt the need to mention it on this forum as if that somehow validates what I can afford or what the band should be charging. 

I'll go with my other point was incorrect. But you cannot invalidate me as a person who would pay more for a smaller venue or an expensive dinner. That is my choice. 

22 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I'm so sick of this "the people who are complaining must not be able to afford the tickets" line of thinking we've been seeing today. 

I'm not rich by any means and I could easily go to both Vegas shows if I so chose. I'm not going to but that's beside the point. Whether or not users on this forum can afford the tickets has zero to do with the fact that the prices themselves are obscene. 

If they played Hammersmith or somewhere, I would probably pay it. I've had meals more expensive. Just me though. (Just to say that we save for this, and it is normally something special as part of a holiday etc..)

Maybe if the band could do some fan concerts like we had years ago at smaller venues at better prices, that would help

22 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

"There's people in Africa happy if they have food, I doubt many of you worry about them". Can't do much 'skewing' of that. It's saying people here don't care about people in Africa, which is absurd. 

There's ALWAYS someone worse off in life, yes. By your logic though, no one can call anything bullshit unless there is no-one worse off than them! 

 

4 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I'm so sick of this "the people who are complaining must not be able to afford the tickets" line of thinking we've been seeing today. 

I'm not rich by any means and I could easily go to both Vegas shows if I so chose. I'm not going to but that's beside the point. Whether or not users on this forum can afford the tickets has zero to do with the fact that the prices themselves are obscene. 

34 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

"There's people in Africa happy if they have food, I doubt many of you worry about them". Can't do much 'skewing' of that. It's saying people here don't care about people in Africa, which is absurd. 

There's ALWAYS someone worse off in life, yes. By your logic though, no one can call anything bullshit unless there is no-one worse off than them! 

 

It was a broader point, but it is lost. It's fine, no offence meant

1 minute ago, allwaystired said:

No it's not - it's suggesting that people who post here don't care about starving people because they're pissed off at high ticket prices. 

If you skip a few levels and skew what I say, then yes. But that is not what I mean.

I'm just saying that the LV concerts are above some people's pay grade, they are aimed at someone else. But remember, there are people that cannot even afford the standard concerts. There are people what cannot even watch on YouTube or whatever. I'm just saying that while people are moaning about what they cannot afford above them, there are others out there that wish they have done what half of you have done

Just now, allwaystired said:

What a ridiculously offensive thing to say. 

All I am doing is looking at the same argument from a different perspective, it's offensive because it is the same argument, worded slightly differently at a lower level. It's about what you want and what you can have.

3 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I think the line "there's nothing wrong with some corporate events at a different price level to attract a different clientele" would make a lot of people shudder. 

There's nothing wrong with it. It's life, it is what happens.

If the band want to test the waters for high price, small venue concerts then so be it. It is their right. There's no point moaning if you don't earn enough money for these things, it's how the cookie crumbles in life. There's people in Africa happy if they have food, I doubt many of you worry about them

6 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

It's cool, no worries. 

I totally get what you're saying. I think what feeds into it though is that people really WANT GNR to be above all this excessive pricing bollocks, based on their history, background etc. That's what upsets them. It's sad to think of them as simply a corporate entity when they mean so much to people. Bringing things like 'supply and demand' economics into their world is upsetting....

it's a couple of concerts. The tour has been ongoing for many years.

There's nothing wrong with some corporate events at a different price level to attract a different clientele. We are all different with different monies in and out. It's silly getting annoyed at things that are above or below ones pay scale.

It's like mobile phones at 2000 pounds or at 100 pounds/dollars/blah. There's different things at different levels.

If the prices are too high, the market will dictate and the prices will come down.