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6 minutes ago, downzy said:

  What are they suppose to do, put out an add that says "and maybe Izzy Stradlin?"  That makes no sense.  

LOL yeah "and maybe Izzy Stradlin, if you're lucky and if you hit the jackpot, then you might have a chance to also see Steven sit in for a song or two, but we can't tell you when, because that will depend on how they feel that day and how long they've been out the night before". Ridiculous.

10 hours ago, Bono said:

14 minutes ago, Bono said:

How can you not agree. They aren't saying who's actually in the band. They show the three most iconic guys but don't show anyone else. So if they are being straight up then we can expect only Slash, Duff and Axl. Nobody else. The reason they aren't showing anyone else is because they don't want people knowing who's in and who's out BECAUSE if people know 100% it's not a full on reunion the excitment is less. They are absolutely trying to dupe people here into thinking this is a full on reunion. "They're back!" doesn't suggest "Part of them are back!". If they were honest with fans they'd explain the situation but as usual in GnR land respect for the fans and being upfront isn't in their vocabulary. 

Yes, they do.

Coachella statement:
"Guns N’ Roses announce the most significant and anxiously awaited musical event of this century. Founder Axl Rose and former members Slash and Duff McKagan will regroup to headline the Coachella Music & Arts Festival (April 15-17 & April 22-24)—as announced last night!"

Mexico statement:
"Guns N' Roses have just announced a second show in Mexico City! Due to popular demand, Axl, Slash, and Duff will take the Foro Sol stage for an encore perfomance on April 20. Tickets for the show will go on sale starting Tuesday, February 16, but Nightrain members will get access to concert tickets for the show before they are available to the public!"

As for Vegas, doN't know if there is a full statement, but the video clearly only shows Axl, Slash and Duff. Anything else is speculation and wishful thinking. If you feel duped by the obvious (which is Axl, Slash and Duff are contracted to play, anything else is an unadvertised bonus), then that's really your problem. Not theirs. If you only care to see Izzy and Steven, then stay away.

8 hours ago, Bono said:

They are duping fans by not saying anything though. Say what the situation is and then let fans decide knowing the risk that he may not be there. The only reason they aren't saying anyting is in fact to dupe fans into thinking it's a full on original 5 reunion. 

No. They were pretty obvious in their statement that only Axl, Slash and Duff are a guarantee. If you only go when Izzy or Steven are there too, you probably shouldn't go anyway.

23 hours ago, sonofnazareth said:

Izzy left in 1991. He's not coming back full time..he has his own, low key band. Maybe a full show at some point, but not a full time band member.

 

Alice should ask himself, 'Why are Dennis Dunaway, Michael Bruce and Neil Smith not in my band anymore?!'

Yeah. That was my thought too... he also ditched his band like some worn out shoes and hijacked the name. He's not really the one to ask that question.

On 9.2.2016 at 6:38 PM, Blake Sabbath said:

Surely Alice Cooper is privy to whatever the fuck is going on!

You can't tell me having both Duff and Sorum in your other band doesn't give you answers to all the questions you have!

Yes. And given that fact he should really shut up. If he's wondering why Izzy's not there, he could ask Duff, instead of insinuating that the other guys don't want him there.

On 9.2.2016 at 5:15 PM, Slash787 said:

I do understand that case with Izzy, but I really don't know why they are not including Matt Sorrum, he is pretty reliable and he should be up there. 

Very simple. Axl. Matt is a Slash and Duff guy. Axl doesn't want to be outnumbered by those guys. He wants to keep control, so that's why he insists on a yes man in his corner.

5 hours ago, Apollo said:

Why do you think 99.9% of other bands keep in communication with their fans about their band's future plans?

This is one of the biggest reunions in rock history. You actually think the band is doing a good thing by not talking about it with their fans? How is this better, for you as a fan, than if Axl did the Kimmel show and then the Big Three did a Rolling Stone interview and talked about how they came back together and what their future plans were?

As fans we don't have to proclaim Axl's every move as being the proper one. 

Well, I'm sure that closer to the Vegas shows, or immediatly after, there will be interviews. Right now, it's not needed. Tickets are selling and them not talking keeps the suspense. Everyone will want to know how they will be on stage. How their interaction will be. Do they get along or is it just a cash grab?

29 minutes ago, Black Sabbath said:

Is it bad that I'm tempted to look into this for $90...

If I wouldn't have to fly over from Europe again and if I wouldn't have a different engagement during that time, I would be looking into doing this. ;-) I really wanna do South America though, should that happen towards the end of the year.

The radio silence is pure GNR. You can't call people out or have integrity if you posting pics of rhianna on twitter. It's all about the music and shows. Let the music do the talking!

And at this point there is nothing to say, isn't there? All 4 shows are sold out officially. Anything that needs be said will happen on April 8th and after that. I'm very fine with that.

Don't stay at the Hard Rock.

Don't listen to this man. Unless you don't drink, rock, gamble, are generally uncool or are one of those people that clogs up the floor while I'm heading for a table. Then, yes, stay away.

When I went to Vegas to see GNR, I just called AA and they planned it all for me.

Funny, I usually end up having to call AA when I get home from Vegas.

Alcoholics anonymous?

To me, they've always been leeches. Beta let that mask slip. They know how to work Axl, and they know he's their entire life line. They know fuck all about properly communicating with the fans, and management 101 is knowing not to wear your emotions on their sleeve, which they're hilariously bad at. I know they get some vile things thrown their way, but their response to it is all wrong. You're not supposed to throw venom on top of venom when you're supposed to be managing one of the biggest names in music.

Do you have some examples about that? I only know they are managing him, but other than that know nothing about it.

Gotta factor in 2-3 Chi Dem songs as well.

I couldn't even factor those in yet just cause I'm still of that opinion that you do those you have to do VR or a compromise on some Slash and Duff material too. But thats a story for a different day. I'd be absolutely fine if they did Chinese, There Was A Time and This I Love.

I'd love to see them do TWAT but Chinese Democracy is an utter turd of a song.

I've always been in the minority of thinking thats the ONLY Guns song on the whole record lol. Its nothing special, but I like Axl's vocal delivery and think its just a really cool straight ahead rock track. In all honesty, I don't really care about Slash playing This I Love. I'd much prefer to hear Prostitute or IRS or other songs first, but I know how many feel about the TIL guitar.

It's not that it's offensive as such, just that it has a fucking great intro then goes absolutely nowhere.

The only CD songs I give them permission to play is This I love, Better and Madagascar. But really, I'd rather they not... there are so many other songs that haven't been played in years.

Izzy being lumped in with the hired guns is crap. He deserves better than that.

Izzy deserves to be acknowledged as the musical leader of GNR.

Don't know about that, I just think it's bullshit to have him lumped in with Richard and whoever else.

Real GN'R was very much a group effort. Sweet Child O' Mine is a perfect example of what I mean. Slash accidentally came up with maybe the greatest opening riff of all-time, but didn't realize how good it was. Izzy and Duff recognized it and told him to play it again, then added their parts to it. Meanwhile Axl was upstairs writing lyrics and vocal melodies. And then you have Adler who Izzy said was so important that "nothing worked" without him.

a riff in search of a song...GNR would be nothing without Izzy's chord progressions. Duff has written some good songs and Axl is good with pompous ballads, but Izzy rules the roost in terms of songwriting in GNR.

I agree he's the best songwriter of the bunch, but it ain't GN'R without the others and he would be the first one to say that.

Well, you just need to listen to his solo albums... that kinda makes it obvious that GNR was the sum of it's parts and everyone was important for the GNR sound. Izzy on his own is nothing to write home about, as are the others.

If Slash & Duff are smart there's a clause that will prevent Axl from going out under the GnR name without Slash & Duff's involvement, or consent. Kinda like how Ozzy did Tony with Sabbath once they reunited in 97, hence the "Heaven & Hell" thing with Dio in 2007.

Tony owns the name to Sabbath just like Axl with GN'R. How did Ozzy convince Tony to do what you said? Maybe Tony really needed the money from that reunion with Ozzy. Who knows.

Iommi, owner of the Black Sabbath name, decided to call the touring group Heaven & Hell^[1] to differentiate the project from the Ozzy Osbourne-led Black Sabbath.^[2] The moniker was taken from the first Dio-fronted Black Sabbath album,Heaven and Hell. According to Iommi, the name change was made so that fans at concerts would not expect "to hear “Iron Man” and “War Pigs” and all that... it’s none of the old stuff, it’s none of the Ozzy period. It’s all Dio stuff. So by calling ourselves Heaven and Hell, it’s revisiting that period."^[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_%26_Hell_(band)

That doesn't answer the question I asked.

For the real answer you probably would have to ask Sharon. The fact is, without Ozzy, Tony was playing in shitholes, with Ozzy he was playing arenas. I guess that's incentive enough.

If Slash & Duff are smart there's a clause that will prevent Axl from going out under the GnR name without Slash & Duff's involvement, or consent. Kinda like how Ozzy did Tony with Sabbath once they reunited in 97, hence the "Heaven & Hell" thing with Dio in 2007.

Tony owns the name to Sabbath just like Axl with GN'R. How did Ozzy convince Tony to do what you said? Maybe Tony really needed the money from that reunion with Ozzy. Who knows.

Iommi, owner of the Black Sabbath name, decided to call the touring group Heaven & Hell^[1] to differentiate the project from the Ozzy Osbourne-led Black Sabbath.^[2] The moniker was taken from the first Dio-fronted Black Sabbath album,Heaven and Hell. According to Iommi, the name change was made so that fans at concerts would not expect "to hear “Iron Man” and “War Pigs” and all that... it’s none of the old stuff, it’s none of the Ozzy period. It’s all Dio stuff. So by calling ourselves Heaven and Hell, it’s revisiting that period."^[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_%26_Hell_(band)

Wikipedia proofs nothing. And even Tony saying that proofs nothing.

Alter Bridge is at work on a new album! I don't think Myles is that available this year.

I'm in block 13 in the lower bowl. Hopefully I'll be able to get a decent view from there.

Yes. I'm in 8. Last row pretty much (V). Kinda worried about that too.

^^Okay. Now that is cool. But sadly, most promoters don't give a shit, as long as they have gotten rid of their tickets. Some go as far as fighting tooth and nails to take back tickets even when a show has been postponed. When GNR postponed their Zurich gig in '06 due to fucking Brain leaving tour head over heels, the promoter refused to take back tickets, unless you showed him proof that you couldn't attend the make up date. And even then he stiffed us on 15 bucks. Fucking unbelieveable. Well, after being pissed off at the cancellation, we found out when he got there, and returning the tickets I eventually went to the make up show and bought a cheap ticket off someone who couldn't return it.

And what happens if you can't go? Can you return the ticket.

As for scalping, here's a way to solve it for intimate shows at least (and maybe all shows perhaps). Each fan club member gets one ticket. I know, I know, that sucks, but hear me out. It really is the only way to prevent scalping. Each member gets a ticket with their name on it. When you show up you present the ticket with your ID. Same each time you re-enter the venue and/or section (general admission). Yeah, I guess you can get a fake ID made, but many states now have sophisticated IDs. They can run them through those machines that will indicate if it's fake or not.

That's all good. But what if you can't make it? Then you're out of 250 $ and somebody else can't get a ticket because it went to someone, who can't attend after all.

I hear you, that's the rub. But really, the only way to completely avoid scalping.

Well... the answer would be if promoters would agree to take tickets back. Strangely enough that's what they did at the Rolling Stones show in Vienna two years ago. You had to pay 5 extra and they would take your ticket back, no questions asked. But of course, greedy promoters and bands never would agree to that.

An Aerosmith / GnR tour would be cool again. Or at least Steven and Axl on stage together again.

Yeah. South America tour. Brad Whitford said that they are gonna play South America later this year. I would be there in a flash.

I have two single tickets for the April 8th Vegas show and I only need one. One seat is Section 10 row B and the other ticket is section 226 row J. My question to the forum members is which do you think is the better seat for the show?

I wish I knew how to paste the seating image into this post so instead I have the link below:

https://tickets.axs.com/eventShopperV3.html?wr=56518aff-4e00-4d79-8953-6c6ad49826c8&calendarView=1&preFill=1〈=en&locale=en_us&eventid=306247&ec=LVA160408&src=AEGAXS1_WMAIN&skin=axs_tmobile&fbShareURL=www.axs.com%2Fevents%2F306247%2Fguns-n-roses-tickets%3F%26ref%3Devs_fb

I would keep 10. If it would be a choice between 10 and 223/222, it would be a hard decision. But to almost sit behind the stage is no fun.

As for scalping, here's a way to solve it for intimate shows at least (and maybe all shows perhaps). Each fan club member gets one ticket. I know, I know, that sucks, but hear me out. It really is the only way to prevent scalping. Each member gets a ticket with their name on it. When you show up you present the ticket with your ID. Same each time you re-enter the venue and/or section (general admission). Yeah, I guess you can get a fake ID made, but many states now have sophisticated IDs. They can run them through those machines that will indicate if it's fake or not.

That's all good. But what if you can't make it? Then you're out of 250 $ and somebody else can't get a ticket because it went to someone, who can't attend after all.

Also I don't know what it is but I am a magnet to the tallest guy in the damn place as every single Fn' time a guy that is 6ft 13 inches tall will stand in front of me.

Right. And what if you have a seat behind a 6 ft 13 guy?? Then you're royally fucked and can't even move somewhere else. Great. With general admisison you either have a shot at the front or you can roam around until you find a spot where you have a good view. Without having to pay 200 $ for it.