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1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

Nah, the more leaks the better. 

We could do with some leaks now I think- just get some more stuff out there. They don't want to commercially release this stuff, so it might as well get out there for people to hear if they want to as rot away unheard. 

I'm very much against piracy but the leaks have been nothing but positive for GNR fans in the absence of anything else going on. 

I agree. I'd love a Village locker type leak, but of all the material from 2002-2010. One can dream! 

10 hours ago, Free Bird said:

You can praise them as long as you want but as long as I have my own ears I know it’s garbage what you are listening to. 
No offense, you can listen to what ever you want but now that I know what these demos sound like, I don’t have to rely on other people’s opinion.

Cohesive would be the last adjective that comes to mind when listening to those.

That's all a matter of opinion. CD2 probably would of had similar production to the 2008 album if it was released on or prior to the reunion era. 

Most of these new re-heated CD songs with NITL are mixed like garbage. I assumed that was the consensus to most fans here, at least those with an ear for that type of thing.

I wouldn't complain as much about the slow drip of singles if they were at least mixed and mastered well. It makes all the difference. 

2 hours ago, Draguns said:

No offense, but the songs on the Village leaks were not cohesive. They needed work. Hard Skool is the perfect example of a rough demo that needed work on it. It was a freaking mess.  

It’s less of a mess than the 2021 release.  We can’t even tell if the drums on it are from a drum machine or a person. That’s bad. 

8 hours ago, Free Bird said:

No, it speaks volumes about the fanbase who praise these rough mixes.

They praise them because they are cohesive songs, contributed to by the band that created them. 

20 hours ago, Free Bird said:

Of course they did and it was necessary. It always makes me laugh when I read how much better the village leaks are. Atlas is the same kind of a mess, but I doubt Slash and Duff can polish that turd.

The Village leaks were rough mixes. The fact they are even compared to the officially released versions speaks volumes for the poor butchering of those songs and even worse production of the final stonewalled product.

19 hours ago, WhazUp said:

It isn't wrong cause we all got our preferences, however if I was playing MYGNRFORUM bingo, "Sweersa expressing they like Buckethead era GNR more in a given topic" is like a free space at this point

Hehe well it's working! We did get a few seconds of Robin in the official Perhaps.  I need to try harder though.

Is it wrong that I would prefer the ~'99 rerecorded AFD over an actual AFD lineup tour/show?

The hell kind of a name is Jarmo anyways? Sounds like Elmo's brother or something. 

43 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

Ya'll are seriously still on about Taylor Swift omg 

She looks hella good, especially in stockings. Anyone have her number? Maybe she can hook us up with some CD2 tunes. 

2 minutes ago, Trin9498 said:

He’s said a lot of things over the years….most don’t pan out. 

Right, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist. 

1 hour ago, Trin9498 said:

the is no proof there is a CD2

Axl said it at least two or three times.

57 minutes ago, vloors said:

The word you dont get is "new"

Not some garbage throwaway track not good enough for CD from 20+ years ago. 

Axl cant be bothered creating anything new

Please don't perpetuate CD2 songs as being CD2 songs because they were not good enough for the first album.

16 minutes ago, colonizedmind said:

Is that his CD2 cover album? 😆😸

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed! 

43 minutes ago, bmus1 said:

His solo shows are waaaay more diverse vocally than SMKC shows. I feel like he feels forced to do that high pitched 80s/90s rock singer thing almost all the time with Slash, but his solo shows feature a lot more of his range. He did a baritone version of the blues song Going Down when I saw him live and it was strong as hell.

Good to know! Thanks. He did play in Michigan on the other side of the state from me a few years back, but I opted not to go because it was in or near Flint.  

I like a few of the songs from Myles Kennedy's Ides Of March album.

I don't think I could stand his singing for more than an hour though, if that. 

Happy birthday, Axl!

I wonder if Taylor Swift has access to or the connections to obtain unreleased CD2 material. 

If so, we need to recruit the hottest men here to try to date her.  

3 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

it lacks cohesion where a global concept could have made accept the diversity of the songs.
out of 14 tracks almost half are relatively average, pleasant to listen to but without any particular substance in the long term.

I mean, who regularly listens to If the World, Catcher In the Rye, I.R.S. or even Street of Dreams & Madagascar? 

there are very strong things like There Was a Time, Prostitute, This I Love, Better, Shackler's Revenge or even something more controversial like Scraped and you would have something very strong with The General, Perhaps, Hard Skool & Monsters 

I get where you are coming from, but I would argue most albums, even by the big bands, only have a handful at most of good songs. Tons of filler, with a few single worthy songs. Guns is no exception, though I happen to enjoy most of CD and AFD. I feel UYI is half filler, at best between the two CDs.

I like If The World, I feel it's one of the best mixed songs they have done. 

16 hours ago, rumandraisin said:

I dunno why years later there's this "Axl was in the studio every year recording vocals" myth. 

Tommy was in the band for a very long time. His word is credible. Even if he exaggerated a little, if Axl didn’t record for a year or two, that’s still a lot of recording. They can and do record while on the road. It’s not hard for them to book a recording studio anywhere they happen to be on a tour. It’s not like the band is performing 24/7 while on tour. They get breaks. They gotta eat, they gotta sleep. They rest as well and do fun and productive things while on the road.

2 hours ago, El Guapo said:

Definately. If Riad wasn't on CD and leaked now, we all would praise it, especially after The General.

While I enjoy every song on CD, the weakest ones to me are Chinese Democracy, Riad, and IRS.

Edit: The 2000 mixes of the above put the songs a notch or two above the 2008 mixes, in my opinion. 

15 hours ago, Free Bird said:

Do you know why I doubt that would be the case in the first place? Why should it be a masterpiece when even CD wasn’t? 
 

I don’t mind Axl’s repetitive lyrics at all and I think aside from the mixing the songs we heard by the NITL lineup were better than most of CD and surely better than their demos.

CD wasn’t a masterpiece, you say? Get the fuck outta here!

Just playin. 

56 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

for the moment and based of what we know, my opinion : CD II > CD I

I go back and forth, I think we are all so used to CD that something new or fresh from that era with all the anticipation sounds better.

35 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

If they were really intending for a 2011 album, I don't think they would introduce the first really unheard track of the batch with Tommy Stinson as lead singer. 

Maybe they had a version with Axl on lead, or maybe it was never intended as a single or lead single. (Going Down)

I suppose anything is possible, seeing how the first "new" Guns song with Slash and Duff back was Absurd. I believe a fan was told by Axl around that same time (late CD-era) that Axl wanted to get Silkworms out. He must really like that song. It is really fun to listen to live. 

1 minute ago, Voodoochild said:

I know about this list. But I meant the style of writing. Like you said, a tad darker, but also simpler - considering only the tracks we know. There's a less emphasis in mid-tempo ballads, although we still have Atlas and Perhaps, and both are 1999-ish. Maybe Thyme and Nothing evolved into a ballad? Not a lot of fast tempo rockers either, much like CD1. 

OMG, Absurd/Silkworms and Going Down are a different thing to me. Those were all in the alt-setlist in 2011, which to me indicates that those could possibly be in a remix album/EP as bonus "new" songs. 

That is possible, but I believe in 2011 an album was more of a possibility than anything else, especially since multiple unheard songs were reported to have been played at the 2010 after-party. I think bandmembers have commented on CD2 being a little more strange or weird, perhaps it was Richard. So far with what we have heard from it, I agree. (Especially after the Village leaks) 

Maybe Axl was getting burned out by then, when putting lyrics to the Buckethead songs, thus the simplicity/repedative nature of them compared to some of the more complex/epic or longer 2008 album tunes. Indeed, Perhaps and Atlas, and Hardschool would balance out the Soul Monster, and The General types of songs. 

35 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

I honestly can't understand what was Axl's vision for CD2, style-wise. From the two unheard songs we got - The General and Monsters - I got the sense that it would have a more Bucket/Brain backbone, but it may have some older songs like Absurd, Hard Skool and Perhaps too, but this mix is frankly a lot like CD1 already. But we don't know if those 1999 instrumentals were all still on the table. Heck, we don't even know if they would still use Hard Skool and Perhaps if those were not leaked (I assume they would, but who knows).

The best info we have in regard to getting an idea of the content of CD2 is the leaked song list from January 2008: (My notes in bold)

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Cuban Skies V - Unheard outside of the fan who met Axl in 2003 claiming he played it for him
The General Ch V - Officially released in 2023, leaked prior
Atlas L - Leaked in 2019
Soul M V - Leaked in 2023 as Monsters, heard in 2010 Vienna after-party, excerpt recording leaked in poor quality
Silk H - Silkworks was officially released in 2021 as Absurd, two mixes labeled as Silkworms leaked prior
Thyme L - Leaked in 2019 (instrumental)
Pro2 V - Blood In The Water? or other Prostitute remix
Chi2 D V? - Chinese Democracy remix?
Better2 - Better remix? (3 leaked years ago)
TIL2 V - This I Love remix? (leaked years ago)
Goin Down - Two mixes leaked, one with Axl on backing vocals
Tonto V Br - Leaked in 2019 (instrumental)
Monstrocity V lyr - A song we are aware of under a different name, or a completely new song?
Catcher ? - Officially released in 2008 (Some songs bounced between the first two albums)
Nothin ? - Leaked in 2019
JChan ? - Leaked in 2019 as Hardschool, officially released in 2021 as Hard Skool
?? L editing V - PRL? Otherwise, unknown
Perhaps ? - Leaked in 2019, officially released in 2023
OMG2 ? - Axl talked of a remix of Oh My God, we also have a Bumblefoot and Buckethead leak mix that leaked years after the 1999 official release of Oh My God
4 Heavens. ? Sing - Probably one of the different KOHD versions worked on during the CD era, some of which leaked, both as instrumentals and with an Axl vocal take
Light My Fire - Likely a cover of The Doors song

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21 songs listed above, obviously too many for one album. That, in addition to question marks after songs leads me to believe at this point they were planning multiple albums/CDs, OR wanted bonus tracks/remixes released in addition to CD2. I wish we had more context of the list.

Several notable songs missing by name from the above list, including: Zodiac 13, Quick Song, Eye On You, State Of Grace, Seven, and Berlin or Oklahoma, and several other titles from the Village leaks. So these songs are listed under different names (Monstrocity, ?? L editing, etc.) or were intended for the third album, or scrapped altogether. 

Not counting Catcher, the remixes or leaked instrumentals, and including Oh My God and Going Down, we have 9 of the above songs, with Axl vocals. In other words, we have heard a decent chunk of songs that were intended or considered for CD2 as of 2008. Overall, I would say CD2 has a quality and style similar to the 2008 album, perhaps a tad darker, and also simpler. I think if released between 2006-2014, it would have been a Buckethead and Robin heavy masterpiece, and is a personal holy grail of mine. 

I'm not interested in debating the legitimacy of the CD2 list because I know it to be real, as do a few others who had it well over ten years ago.

9 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

Unfocused, repetitive parts and lyrics, fairly forgettable melodies both vocally and instrumentally... And worst of all the songs sound even more pieced together than even Chinese did.

That's because they are. Even in 2008-2010, CD2 probably sounded more or less as bloated and overproduced as the 2008 album. NITL ripping those songs apart and adding their parts, mixing and mastering them poorly (has largely been the case so far), doesn't help them any.