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Well I certainly appreciate that. And I actually think I'm one of the stupider posters amongst a sea of really knowledgable and intelligent fans here ! The reason I don't post much is I can't keep getting sucked back into the endless discussions that occur with GNR. You read one thing about Chinese Democracy, and its a wormhole and soon you're trying to rationalize something that was over and done with 10 years ago. I try to stay away from that.

Your reason for not posting that much is enough to make you smart. You stay healthy in your mind and soul. It is wise to do that.

I'm happily and incredibly surprised to see such down to earth and honest feedback. I'm glad at least everyone gets the moment that it was. Listen, of course I want Axl to be there, but if he's not gonna show up, this was the most publicized and official GNR reunion to really happen yet. It was those guys celebrating that, and for them to not have been able to play there would have been silly. They deserve to and they sound great doing it. They'd sound even better with Axl, but he can't be there I want someone to step in to get the job done. IMO this is probably top 3 if not #1 of best performances to happen from original GNR since GNR broke up. Just a very positive celebration, that brought a lot of excitement to fans that have waited so long for vindication.

As for the Hall forcing the reunion: yes, they did and I disagree with many saying they had nothing to gain. Maybe nothing financially, but its backhanded and its for their own benefit. They wanted to be the ones that said "LOOK, we got GNR back together! Thats how good and important we are!" 100%, no questions asked, that was their motive. And Axl was right in the way to be angry, which was obvious. Its just unfortunate that his anger was justified in this scenario. Giving in and showing up wouldn't have only been bad for his current lineup, but it would have made the Hall look good, and more reputable, which if you follow them they are the exact opposite of. It was a double edge sword, cause its the perfect opportunity for a reunion (honor and recognition wise) but it sucks that it has to be for what has become such a shitty institution. They like reunions so they can add them to their list. They reunited Cream, they reunited Talking Heads for the only performance they've ever gotten back together for. Original Heart. The reunions give them validation, which is nice for fans, but sad cause they are a shitty group of individuals that are only doing it to make themselves feel powerful.

I said it for years: its sad that they already got inducted, because I long said the Hall Of Fame induction could be the one thing to bring them back together. Induct them when it really seems there's a chance, not just the first time you can. You're rushing it and we all know GNR is a delicate process. For what it is, its such an amicable and joyous occasion that many people put their differences aside for. I just always wanted them to get inducted when it truly looked like they'd moved past it. I thought if they were in a good place (and by that I mean Axl being a bit more open to old GNR) this would have been the thing to seal the deal. Now we'll never know and I don't know when an opportunity that big comes again. And sadly, had they done it now after Duff toured with them I think thats just one more step that, had they waited, could have helped things.

It's such a relief when you realize there is hope in this place and there are brilliant minds like Gunsfanoldie who make debate interesting, motivating and alluring. No bias, no hateful comments. Everything written from an honest point of view, not some sick small-minded agenda.

Congratulations on such an intelligent brilliant comment.

Too bad I don't see you posting that often!

There are several pics of Axl playing bass in the past.

It'd be so cool if he was seen these days playing other instruments rather than piano.

Myles pointing and hand gesturing everything makes me sick...not to mention his voice. I'm just not a fan of his stage presence, vocals, or his music...but I am sure he's a nice humble fellow! He stepped in to create a mediocre performance for some guys who it meant alot to. Mainly Slash who enjoys and respects the history of Guns N Roses, he loves talking about it and understands how important that time in his life was. So we had 2 members that quit and 3 that were fired take the stage and accept the honor...All things considered, the venue, the cast, and the show itself just made for one of the most memorable moments in GNR history.

The only memorable part of that lame show to me was Billy Joe standing up for Axl when the ridiculous immature audience in attendance started booing him.

I fucking cried. Billy Joe is everything.

The rest was pathetic and should be buried in hell.

(Sorum embarrassing Adler )

You mean with nothing underneath ?

you mean, without pants on

White bikers were always underneath...

Axl's handwritting is so unique that when you open the blog and see that shit, you can't do other than just feel sorry for their dementia.

Just out of curiosity, and I'm sure its been asked before, but who would you have had sing for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame gig? We know from the beginning Axl's not gonna show up, but let's say you have that last week when he officially says he's not coming. Who do you get? The rest of the GNR guys were obviously gonna play, and having Axl be the reason they don't would have been ridiculous. It was their honor too, and just cause Axl couldn't show up to make it great doesn't mean he has to ruin the good time Slash, Duff, Matt and Gilby have playing together.

So who do you get? Sebastian (who probably wouldn't do it anyway cause of his "close" ties to Axl)? See thats why I give Myles so much credit. I get that you don't have to like him and I get that people think he's generic. But he didn't even want to do it, basically took himself out of the equation, and at the last minute stepped in because the other guys didn't want Axl ruining their ability to play. To me, thats why even if he sounded like shit (which he didn't) I give him so much respect for doing it. He doesn't want that position, but he's doing it so those guys can play together, and in effect so people like myself and others that want to see real GNR (even if its not with Axl) the chance to see these guys kick ass.

Honestly, for that reason, I'm surprised Myles isn't heralded for stepping in. But I'm still open to who else you get to sing.

Myles is not to blame for any of this BS. Just like Ashba, Fortus, Stinson and the rest should not be subjected and singled out by idiots like the Twisted Sisters singer. None of them are to blame or have anything to do with the feud among original GNR.

That said, Myles sucks on his own. He's just not good for GN'R and I don't know how he does on his own material but he's definitely an artist I'm not drawn to. I guess he was the only option at hand to fill the singer spot. Sebastian could have been an option but too much emotional trouble for him... and really, there aren't many people who can sing GN'R material and do justice to it. It is that hard...

Now, in my opinion and solely it is my opinion, that GN'R induction should have never happened until the band had fixed their issues. I don't know who or how the HoF functions but I don't understand the rush or the need or the idea behind inducting this band.

Probably some ego trip about thinking they would be the ones who can reunite GN'R (pretty much like the rest of the self-proclaimed Saviors we've heard this year). Their own greed ruined everything. I don't consider that induction a real one, not without Axl.

Is Axl really that naive? Is he that kind of guy who believes in everything some people say? That's really hard to believe ... someone who lived so much things in his life, like he did, being so manipulable

I think almost everybody will understand what you're saying as "TB's fault" and you probably don't want to talk about names but ... why would somebody need to keep Axl away from you?

In that video is quite obvious how much you like him ... and, more than a reunion, what you would like most was to get along with him and that all of them could get along with each other ... it's obvious how much sad you are for the current situation ... I really think those are noble feelings from you. What keeps you away from getting in touch with him? Doesn't he even reply to your christmas/birthday cards, or something? Doesn't he have a phone where you can call him without passing by no one's "filter"? Can't you just invite him to dinner, for a drink or whatever? Sorry to ask, but it's something that goes beyond me.

I'm not Marc but I've lived enough to tell you all of this reduces to two things: 1) power 2) money or 1) money 2) power. They go hand in hand.

Think of what would happened if history went back and restored itself in 1985.... Can you visualize the amount of people who would be ran over by that train?

The fear of losing power/jobs/money leads people to do unimaginable things. If Guns N' Roses reunited, if GN'R were back to the state they were in 1985 or 1991, things would change greatly for the so-called TB.

I'm not saying Axl would wipe them out of his life (he considers them family) but with Slash and Duff in the front, some people would automatically stop having a saying in whatever GN'R is concerned.

The so-called team has been in charge of Axl and GN'R for more than 15 years... it's a lifetime and its a threat to their lives. Having GN'R back as it once was will definitely shake their floor (even if its just an imaginary fear). So probably that is what led them to create an "enemies" list and other childish mind games. It's all about defending terrority earned by climbing the ladder.

Axl is not a fool or gullible but the man got feelings and a need for affection. None of this would have happened if Axl had a wife and kids of his own. While he may perceive this people are not 100% honest with him at times, he feels they are his family... so think about your own family... don't you tolerate some things sometimes just because someone is your father, your mother, your sibling? I know I do. We all do. And Axl does too.... He knows in the end, those people are there to support him with his affection needs and there's no one else.

And I don't know if this is Axl's own decision or what... but somehow they have secured themselves and be lucky enough to have Axl completely wife-less and children-less.

It sucks.

I really wish he would go wild and get someone pregnant!

(just for the sake of seeing their faces turn blue)

It feels like Axl's friends from before 1993 were all removed and/or scared away by someone..... Aside from Del and Sebastian Bach, who are his friends nowadays?

People who were there during the best years of the band and Axl seem to have disappeared from the picture. Do you see it that way too?

I remember my name turned up on an Axl Enemy list in 2008 and i remember reading something about how it was sent around a few times and then was sent to Axl. That right there tells you that someone might be telling Axl who is enemies are. That whole thing was very strange to me. Fisrt of all why would there even be a list that was typed out. If you don't want to deal with people and think for some reason that they are bad people why would it have to be typed up on a list? It just sounds to me that there is or was someone telling Axl who he should be friends with and also wants Axl to believe that there is a group of his enemies. I don't remember all the people that were on that list but I do remember that most of them in no way were his enemies. Infact most of them were people that really care for him and would only want the best for him. Its not cool that things like this were going. The thought that someone might have had some sort of mind control over a good friend that you really care about is not good. I could be wrong but it just sounded so strange to me that there is this list.

Thank you, Marc

Yes, that enemy list is so ridiculous and at the same time, really damaging to someone's mental health. Unfortunately, a person like Axl will always and forever be surrounded or sought after by unscrupulous people who will do anything to be close to him, either to earn fame, money, popularity, boost their egos or whatever. It must be so hard to be Axl (or a celebrity in general terms) and have a clear mind to determine who is who.

I guess the vulnerable state he went into after the UYI tour ended is what favored the entrance of people in his life who didn't like him for who he really is but for the celebrity he is. I totally understand your concern and sadness about this situation.

Hopefully "nothing lasts forever even cold november rain...."

Hi Marc.

What do you think about being presented in that video as the man who can reunite GN'R?

Thanks.

I guess they really didn't want someone that Axl knew he could trust that would always give him some good advice for things that might come up. There were people that knew Axl sometimes would call me for some advice on what he was working on. I don't know if Axl was seeing an adviser at that time or not.

It feels like Axl's friends from before 1993 were all removed and/or scared away by someone..... Aside from Del and Sebastian Bach, who are his friends nowadays?

People who were there during the best years of the band and Axl seem to have disappeared from the picture. Do you see it that way too?

Nah. I listen to better music. It's just that only Slash can really sound like Slash and so, I follow his music for the riffs, solos, and melodies he composes cause I love Slash. Myles is just background noise. I prefer him in AB. Blackbird was cool.

Good to know.

Not willing to make that sacrifice to hear Slash.... he should release guitar solo records.

Has anyone considered that the kilt could be directly linked to Axl's voice.

Since he stopped wearing it,his voice has gone downhill,so maybe he needs the fresh air on his balls to achieve the vocals that we miss so much.

He never wore it the way real scottish guys wear it

When I listen to Myles with Slash, I imagine myself as that movie where an inmate is cornered by a very polite and big african american man that explains to him he is gonna suck his cock now.

"but I'm not gay"

"I know, that doesn't matter. easy way or hard way?"

and then months later they're a couple and spooning in a shared cell. I don't want to, but I must.

you're settling for mediocre?

wow... there are so many other good bands and singers you could enjoy!

I hate Myles Kennedy and will never listen to his singing even if he was the last music to be heard on earth.

lol @gunner pt

Well, Apollo... You dont know Slash and Axl either, yet you pass judgement on who they are most of the time.

It'd be wise not to point fingers at what other fans say or do because we are all somewhat floating on the same boat. None of us here is close friends with Axl or Slash.

But Apollo stays neutral and realistically while some other guys... well... hopeless.

Every Apollo post I get to read he's defending Slash, so neutrality? Highly unlikely..

Maybe is just coincidence...

Axl with his Dolce & Gabbana jackets reuniting in that dark dirty warehouse?

Hmmmmmm

Well, Apollo... You dont know Slash and Axl either, yet you pass judgement on who they are most of the time.

It'd be wise not to point fingers at what other fans say or do because we are all somewhat floating on the same boat. None of us here is close friends with Axl or Slash.

Everytime I open this thread, an ad opens...

how obvious

What you have not seen is the video Marc has agreed to participate in, LOL.

I never said Axl was perfect ... he did shit by bringing Tobias without talking with his bandmembers first.

I never saw anyone defending Axl on this one ... and that's not what this thread is about ... this thread is about getting evidence that Slash talked shit about Axl for years ... and he did, no matter how much people wants to believe that calling someone names is worse that acting like a disingenous jerk.

Correction: Doug Goldstein recently talked about it and said Axl brought Tobias to see if he could write something with Slash but that it would be temporary until Duff and Slash could find another guitarist.

Why didnt they find a guy they liked?

Apparently didn't move a finger or didn't care.

Well ... I won't give too much credit to Doug because I think that guy is full of shit.

Anyway, I'm not saying that he's lying on this one but I also don't see it as "defending Axl" ... even if that was the motive, Axl shouldn't bring someone without talking to his bandmates first.

You won't give credit to Doug G. who was the manager and was there?

LOL who deserves credit then? You? You were there? Anybody here was there?

I didn't say he was defending Axl, I said he talks on the subject and gave a different version. Actually, not different, just added the fact that Huge was temporary and it was Duff and Slash duty to find a new guy.

I never said Axl was perfect ... he did shit by bringing Tobias without talking with his bandmembers first.

I never saw anyone defending Axl on this one ... and that's not what this thread is about ... this thread is about getting evidence that Slash talked shit about Axl for years ... and he did, no matter how much people wants to believe that calling someone names is worse that acting like a disingenous jerk.

Correction: Doug Goldstein recently talked about it and said Axl brought Tobias to see if he could write something with Slash but that it would be temporary until Duff and Slash could find another guitarist.

Why didnt they find a guy they liked?

Apparently didn't move a finger or didn't care.

Damn it GUNNER PT!!!

Now blood be boiling and 500 more pages to come ahead in this thread

When you see 5 replies on ignore mode and you feel like...

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I loved the kilt but it belongs to the past.