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I don't understand what Slash said in his book either and I guess it's because he doesn't decide what's gonna be the official reason for his bullshit.

He says he was willing to work on whatever Axl wanted if Axl had agreed to change his ways, being respectful of his bandmates and not being late to shows. So apparently, Slash was willing to keep spoiling Axl, as long as Axl was willing to met certain rules.... What about the music then?

Maybe his official reason for his bullshit was Axl's bullshit as he saw it. All of it: him being late, bringing Zakk Wylde and Paul Huge without really consulting Slash, his partner by his own words. "as long as me and Slash have that bond" and all that.

Plus musical differences which seem to be a main issue between them.

About Slash talking shit in the media: like I've said, it's not a good idea, but this is not unheard of. Many rock bands had public feuds and worked shit out later. It's more about how sensitive Axl is, and less about Slash and what he did imo.

Maybe a combination of both, but Axl probably sees it as Slash lied to everyone for years and constructed an alternate reality where Axl turned everything to shit.

I'm not saying Slash is wrong in complaining about Axl's deeds but it sounds like as long Axl was able to handle his BS, Slash was willing to do the industrial album, the Stephanie ballads and the epic videos.

My question is why?

Regarding media, Axl had a bad image already painted by journalists and people who didn't like him. Axl knew this but at that point, it all sounded like a legend thing. Slash, coming out and saying all that negative stuff was like the confirmation of Axl being an asshole. Do you know what I mean? its like "if Slash says so it must be true. Slash is not a journalist, he's a bandmate, he must be saying the truth". And that perpetuated Axl's assholeness forever. Which could have been counterattacked by Axl, if he wanted. He could have gone out and say lots of things and kill Slash. But he chose not to defend himself.

Slash explained he was kinda bitter in the past and said some things about Axl to the media that he regrets.

Maybe talking about members of the band and problems Slash had with Axl was not a good idea, can damage relationships in the band, but I see it more like a common and normal thing like when one of your co workers or a friend's actions are fucked up and damage what you're trying to do, so you just talk about it with other people cause you're frustrated and have a need to express yourself and vent.

It's normal to vent about work and co-workers with friends and family. What's not normal is to do it on the press. That's where he made the biggest mistake. Specially because Axl is a guy who doesnt like talking to the press, so he was in "disadvantage" regarding Slash.

Perhaps Slash didn't think Axl was leading the band in the right direction. He wanted to still mainly do the hard rock thing, without too many ballads or trying to be Pearl Jam (incorporating newer influences)

Can't say I don't get that. You take into consideration Axl is always late, doesn't show up to rehearsals very often, bringing in new lead guitar players, the rolling stones cover with Paul... maybe the trust was lost and Axl wasn't perceived by Slash as the right guy to dictate the sound of the next Guns album.

He wanted Axl to get it out of his system with a solo album. We also know the Snakepit album caused problems between them cause Axl didn't like it as a whole while Slash thought it was closer to being finished. The "this could be a Guns album 100%" comment.

The other side of it, looking in retrospect, is that post Guns, Slash's albums don't really seem like the type of music Axl would want to create.

And Chinese contains many ballads, sounds, and songs that you don't really expect Slash to be on board with.

But then Slash said in his book I think that he would have done whatever Axl wanted, an industrial record. It doesn't really make sense to me with Slash's comments in the past about Seymour ballads, wanting to be Pearl Jam, and the first Snakepit album.

I don't understand what Slash said in his book either and I guess it's because he doesn't decide what's gonna be the official reason for his bullshit.

He says he was willing to work on whatever Axl wanted if Axl had agreed to change his ways, being respectful of his bandmates and not being late to shows. So apparently, Slash was willing to keep spoiling Axl, as long as Axl was willing to met certain rules.... What about the music then?

I don't have to defend Axl. I interpret what he says and does. I don't always agree with his actions but above all, I try to understand where he's coming from first, instead of hating him for the sake of hate (as it is the cupcake fashion here). Why should I be against the vocalist of the band that I love? "what's the logic behind it?"

Well you talking about hate... I don't think here is anybody who "hates" Axl.

Some just don't agree with his actions. Talking critical about Axl is considered hate and that's the big problem here.

Do I hate him for not showing up to the hof? Of course not.

But I would loved him for doing so.

Edit: I don't know why people exclude the possibility of both, recording and touring, when talking about a reunion.

A reunion will most likely never happen. I know this. It's visionary. But IF they ever reunite, I'm pretty sure not just for touring.

I talk about hate because that's what I see everyday here: hatred.

There's a huge difference between being critical of someone and being just an asshole. Very few members in this forum make their point criticizing Axl and his actions using a tone that is not harsh or mocking.

Most comments are mockery, jokes, judgements and in general negative in a sense that doesn't feel right. So I'm sorry, but I believe such horrible feelings can only come from hate. Inner frustration related to things that are not related to GN'R or Axl. Probably some sort of mental disorder.

As for the reunion thing.... my logic is that if they couldn't make an album together in 1995 and seeing how long Axl takes to make his music, making a record now sounds visionary. Of course, people change and people learn their lessons... if Axl somehow is willing to submit himself to the way Slash and the rest of the guys create songs, maybe something comes out, but I find it hard..... Slash said the vibe back then was really bad... how is it now? I dont know, but if Axl still dislikes Slash I really doubt they can make a record together.

Slash, Duff, Matt could have collected the award then played. Then Axl could have gone up with Izzy to accept their awards and played with new Guns. Doesn't seem impossible.

But the royal HoF wanted a forced REUNION.

no, I don't wanna start a fight nor did I want to look smart in any way.

I just think Axl shouldn't have introduce Elton John if what he wrote in this letter is in fact his opinion about the rnrhof.

And I know you didn't mention integrity in your last post. But in general you are one of the people who use it most when talking about Slash. But now, you and Chaos are saying Axl should do a reunion just for a big paycheck. What's the logic behind it?

I'd prefer a reunion regardless of the situation. There aren't many opportunities for a reunion but the hof was definatly one of them. Instead we got a stupid letter.

I'm sure if Axl showd up and and never wrote this letter you wouldn't be disappointed about it, but now you have to defend your hero. As always.

To your statement about Myles... Axl didn't just want the current band to play there, he wanted them to be admitted in the hof. That's a big difference.

I hardly talk about Slash and when I make fun of his "integrity" it's mostly about his artistic choices and not about the money he makes or stops making...

Will not speak for IncitingChaos but in my opinion, if they are up for a reunion then get all benefits it may bring and that includes a fat paycheck. I understand Axl wants to keep the ball in his court and I can't blame him. Why benefit the HoF? He has clearly stated he doesn't want to favor "the greed of this industry and the ever present seemingly limitless supply of wannabes and unscrupulous, irresponsible media types..."

On the other hand, I didn't say Axl should do a reunion. I'm not sure I want a reunion myself if all there is to it is touring of the same old material. Sick of it, really. However, if Axl had been up to go there and accept his induction and play with the old line-up, I'd respect his decision. But from what I read in his letter, and up to 2012, he didn't want anything to do with Adler and Slash: "For me, with the exception of Izzy or Duff joining us on stage if they were so inclined somewhere in the future for a song or two, that's enough."

What I want is new music. Definitely. And I don't see Axl sitting with Slash and Duff to write new music, so basically, fuck the reunion.

I don't have to defend Axl. I interpret what he says and does. I don't always agree with his actions but above all, I try to understand where he's coming from first, instead of hating him for the sake of hate (as it is the cupcake fashion here). Why should I be against the vocalist of the band that I love? "what's the logic behind it?"

And please, point out where Axl said he wanted the current line-up inducted to the HoF as well? I can't find such thing anywhere on his letter. Actually, it says something like:

"For the record, I would not begrudge anyone from Guns their accomplishments or recognition for such. Neither I or anyone in my camp has made any requests or demands of the Hall Of Fame. It's their show not mine."

First at all, as a fact: Axl did play the Rnrhof before!

And just to get that right. You are praising Axl for his integrity but he should do a reunion just for the big money? Get it

Just curious if you'd arguing the same way now, if Axl had reunite for hof.

Dude, we are talking about reunion, not the times he went there alone to play or induct Elton. Was it really necessary to point that out or you got some silly urge to make yourself look smart?

Well, you failed.

Anyway.... I didn't mention "integrity" at all..... Again, what are you looking for here? A fight? Go somewhere else.

I'm glad Axl didn't reunite for the HoF because why should he do things for people who weren't willing to do things for him?

Fuck them. And on top of that making them earn money, press, rating, etc?

They wanted to trick him and get all those things for free. And not let him play with his band, which is GNR too. But they let Slash bring Myles Kennedy to fill Axl's spot?

My opinion is HoF rushed things inducting a band that hasn't still fixed their issues by trying to convince them to reunite under their roof, which would have benefitted them greatly, given the fact that HoF is losing credibility every time more. I'm glad it failed. They should have waited for things to go their natural course.

Axl read the forum? He addressed the "old man" voice thing in Madagascar.

I agree.

And f*ck Axl for participating at the HOF the prior two times as well.

And f*ck Axl for playing Rosario Dawson's wedding for Hollywood elites......and for playing a wedding for those arrogant rich people!!!

Only play for the true fans. Unless, of course, he gets paid big money!!!!

Axl can do both things. Axl DOES both things.

You should inform yourself.

You sort of took all of that out of the context in which it was written or responded to........but I suppose I will play along, just to be nice.

Somebody praised Axl for not playing the HOF for those "corporate assholes" or something like that. I was merely pointing out that Axl has, in fact, pretty much done just that on other occasions.

Yes. Axl does both things. NEVER said that he didn't. So I'm not sure what I need to inform myself on. I've got no problem with Axl playing weddings and for the Hollywood elite. It's his band and he can play for whomever he wants. But he shouldn't be praised for not playing for the "corporate assholes" without remembering that he does play for weddings and Hollywood assholes.

You argue with me about the strangest things. Like when you said that GnR didn't have an album finished......and I posted a quote from AXL saying they had two albums completed .......and you responded that he didn't really mean what he said! LOL, I think you just enjoy busting my balls.

Rosario Dawson, the Hollywood elites and the asshole billionaire from Abhu Dabhi or whatever are not the "corporate assholes". I don't know if I should call them "friends" of Axl or what, but they are not in the same level as the people of the RnRHoF. The guy who hired them to play on his wedding didn't get the wedding televised to make a profit of it. I find it "natural" that Mickey Rourke, Jared Leto, Sebastian Bach, the Clinton kids and the rest hang out or get to be around Axl and his band because well, they belong to the same "social class" or I don't know how to call it and maybe they are friends, acquaintances, party fellas, blah blah.

Now reuniting for the HoF is a whole different thing and I agreed with IncitingChaos on the fact that if he's gonna do it for huge money, then go on tour and favor a lot of fans, instead of a bunch of people who may even not care for a GNR reunion.

That's all I agreed with and I made it clear Axl plays for his Hollywood A-List buddies as well as for furry, fluffy poor cats living in a southamerican cardboard box like me

I agree.

And f*ck Axl for participating at the HOF the prior two times as well.

And f*ck Axl for playing Rosario Dawson's wedding for Hollywood elites......and for playing a wedding for those arrogant rich people!!!

Only play for the true fans. Unless, of course, he gets paid big money!!!!

Axl can do both things. Axl DOES both things.

You should inform yourself.

You guys keep arguing over the hall of fame thing...it's pointless. The facts of that situation was nobody was going to write a big enough check to get them all in one room.

Why reunite for the hall of fame when they can reunite for millions of dollars? I'm sorry but fans do not matter in this situation. It would have been financially irresponsible for Axl to show up, people want to pay for the first reunion, not the second.

If Axl ever decides to join Slash on stage it will be for an 8 figure check...not a three song hall of fame garbage performance.

But carry on...I'm sure if you read between the lines of Axl's open letters that you will find all the answers. Try reading it backwards...

Exactly. And I'm glad he didn't do it too. Fuck those HoF crappers!

If ever reunite, go on a worldwide tour and let all fans in the world enjoy it properly, not on television for just a few industry assholes,sitting in the front row.

Even Slash thinks Axl sounds great on CD...

http://youtu.be/hiQyIo0EWz0

Sounds like Slash wasn't digging the music, just Axl's voice and melodies.

He says "it's got some good stuff on it (...) and the rest it is what it is..."

Side note this is kinda cool https://youtu.be/mJMyR3GWIEo

What is that blood in the water singing?

I'm pretty sure they wanted to force a reunion to gain something.

Those evil bastards trying to get money from a possible awesome moment in rock history! Damn them to hell!

com certeza senhor gg.

Even Slash thinks Axl sounds great on CD...

The whole HoF show was a fiasco without Axl and Izzy there....

The induction should have never happened knowing the tense situation between ex-members. I'm pretty sure they wanted to force a reunion to gain something.

What was the rush to induct this band?

It ended up being a shit show with Myles KenOMFG singing

^ This is an unfair perception of reality ...

1st - DJ was able to witness how awfully out of tune that guitar was ... that's why he changed his guitar in the end of the song.

2nd - You don't need to be a professional musician to realise that the guitar was out of tune. You noticed, I noticed, he noticed and every other band member noticed that ... even Axl did.

3rd - As I told before, I accept if you say that he made the wrong decision by not stopping the music once he noticed the guitar was out of tune ... but that's only a bad decision and it's not enough to say how bad he is as a guitar player ... (the way he played TIL in 2009 it's enough to say he was awful playing that song ... this isn't the case)

I don't know why he decided not to stop the song, but probably he didn't want to take any action that could mess Axl's moment ... (so he messed it by not taking that action, anyway). What's ridiculous is people bashing him so hard because of this when, mostly, it was Axl's fault not stopping the music, when he had the authority to do it ... c'mon, he already stopped songs because of minor causes ...

I think this has to do mostly with the organization of the awards show. Of course, had it been a GN'R show, he would have stopped, but this awards thing are oftenly programmed to start and finish at some exact hour. Plus, weren't they coming out through television too?

There were people watching via web, streaming and live... I don't think it's that easy to stop and go change guitars in that very moment when all eyes are on you.

Who's fault is it? Probably the tech guitar who didn't tune it and Ashba who didn't try it before going stage... who knows?

Isn't this the same show that Taylor Momsen started - and then stopped - and then restarted her Joan Jett tribute song?

Honestly, I don't know about it because I turned on the thing just and only to watch GN'R.

The rest I couldn't care less....

Wait, he did change guitar....

By minute 1:10 Fortus whispers on his ear and around 1:30 he goes backstage and then comes back with a new guitar.

http://youtu.be/7brXycvcWgs

Lol, it kills you to admit when I'm right!!!

But good catch on the guitar thing. What do you think Fortus told him? "He dude, your guitar is out of tune, change it holmes!!!!"

No, dude, seriously! I didnt watch the whole thing at all because it's kinda late for me. Remember there's a difference of 5 hours between Los Angeles and me. I'm 5 hours ahead.

Besides I dont know who the fuck i s Taylor Mudsem, I didnt watch it. i dont know who else performed. The day after I could see everything related to GNR and the award given to Axl.

Yeah, I guess Fortus told him he would have his back. Or maybe "Axl's gonna kick your ass!"

This is a contest they've been running for a while so fans can collaborate with the artwork of the Facebook page and they will be featuring a fan made cover photo every month.

You gotta go to Paradise City and submit your stuff there.

^ This is an unfair perception of reality ...

1st - DJ was able to witness how awfully out of tune that guitar was ... that's why he changed his guitar in the end of the song.

2nd - You don't need to be a professional musician to realise that the guitar was out of tune. You noticed, I noticed, he noticed and every other band member noticed that ... even Axl did.

3rd - As I told before, I accept if you say that he made the wrong decision by not stopping the music once he noticed the guitar was out of tune ... but that's only a bad decision and it's not enough to say how bad he is as a guitar player ... (the way he played TIL in 2009 it's enough to say he was awful playing that song ... this isn't the case)

I don't know why he decided not to stop the song, but probably he didn't want to take any action that could mess Axl's moment ... (so he messed it by not taking that action, anyway). What's ridiculous is people bashing him so hard because of this when, mostly, it was Axl's fault not stopping the music, when he had the authority to do it ... c'mon, he already stopped songs because of minor causes ...

I think this has to do mostly with the organization of the awards show. Of course, had it been a GN'R show, he would have stopped, but this awards thing are oftenly programmed to start and finish at some exact hour. Plus, weren't they coming out through television too?

There were people watching via web, streaming and live... I don't think it's that easy to stop and go change guitars in that very moment when all eyes are on you.

Who's fault is it? Probably the tech guitar who didn't tune it and Ashba who didn't try it before going stage... who knows?

Isn't this the same show that Taylor Momsen started - and then stopped - and then restarted her Joan Jett tribute song?

Honestly, I don't know about it because I turned on the thing just and only to watch GN'R.

The rest I couldn't care less....

Wait, he did change guitar....

By minute 1:10 Fortus whispers on his ear and around 1:30 he goes backstage and then comes back with a new guitar.

http://youtu.be/7brXycvcWgs

The song is great and the rap existed long before they played a part in Rocket Queen.

It looks they liked it since they made a full song of it. No need to diss it just because it's Axl doing it.

I'm not dissing it because Axl did it. I'm dissing it because it's a load of pathetic, juvenile shit.

well, of course, they were a bunch of juvenile guys O_o

Everything in AFD and Lies is juvenile stuff... they were kids when they started!

omg

^ This is an unfair perception of reality ...

1st - DJ was able to witness how awfully out of tune that guitar was ... that's why he changed his guitar in the end of the song.

2nd - You don't need to be a professional musician to realise that the guitar was out of tune. You noticed, I noticed, he noticed and every other band member noticed that ... even Axl did.

3rd - As I told before, I accept if you say that he made the wrong decision by not stopping the music once he noticed the guitar was out of tune ... but that's only a bad decision and it's not enough to say how bad he is as a guitar player ... (the way he played TIL in 2009 it's enough to say he was awful playing that song ... this isn't the case)

I don't know why he decided not to stop the song, but probably he didn't want to take any action that could mess Axl's moment ... (so he messed it by not taking that action, anyway). What's ridiculous is people bashing him so hard because of this when, mostly, it was Axl's fault not stopping the music, when he had the authority to do it ... c'mon, he already stopped songs because of minor causes ...

I think this has to do mostly with the organization of the awards show. Of course, had it been a GN'R show, he would have stopped, but this awards thing are oftenly programmed to start and finish at some exact hour. Plus, weren't they coming out through television too?

There were people watching via web, streaming and live... I don't think it's that easy to stop and go change guitars in that very moment when all eyes are on you.

Who's fault is it? Probably the tech guitar who didn't tune it and Ashba who didn't try it before going stage... who knows?

I think Axl came out and said that Zakk wanted $2,000,000 up front and his own tour bus, to join the band full time. I guess Zakk left that bit out. Slash's ego wouldn't have liked Zakk as a full time member, not a chance.

You've mentioned Slash's huge ego numerous times over the last year. Where do you get that from?

You've made a bold statement here. What facts back up that statement? You do realize that Slash is known for playing with everybody, right? And he actually out out an album that had guest singers on every song, right? Many who were more famous than he is?

The only place I've ever heard that Slash was an egomaniac is on this forum, and just by the same couple of posters who say negative things about Slash on a daily basis.

Dude its been proven time and time again. He could apologise to Axl whenever he wants but he doesn't want to, you may ask why should he bow down to Axl...Slash quit and talked shite for years in the press totally betraying any sort of brotherhood between the pair of them. I like Slash, I love his talent and I've heard him play notes that I've not heard any other guitarist pull off, but some of things he's said has made me question his character that's all I'm saying.

I doubt Slash a lot too... he still sounds bitter at times.... maybe because he's done a lot to get to Axl and wasn't allowed. But he's a weird guy. He has periods of loving Axl to death and periods of hating Axl to death.

It seems they both have calmed down for the last couple of years. Slash has been saying good things about Axl in the last months. This probably means reunion or a lawsuit or just time taking care of the wounds.

The song is great and the rap existed long before they played a part in Rocket Queen.

It looks they liked it since they made a full song of it. No need to diss it just because it's Axl doing it.

Ok.

Ron Anderson has worked with Axl since forever. He appears in the credits of UYI too.

I wonder if he just tells Axl that his voice is gone now. Do you think anyone has ever had that conversation with Axl?

Axl's voice is not gone. And I'm pretty sure he's been checked by doctors and all kinds of people.

Maybe Axl needs more surgery, or more practice, or some rest for a while and get rid of some bad habits.

I'm sure his teacher has adviced him on a lot of things. Just like doctors advice me to stop adding extra salt to food.... and most of times I forget or I don't care.

I feel like Axl is really hard to handle when it comes to leading a healthy life. Hell, we all are!

Some girl covered it on some "Your face sounds familiar" show in a i dont know what country

why would that help it on the uk itunes chart?

number 71 now by the way

no idea my friend

It wasn't a lecture, it was my personal opinion.

I respect Axl as an artist and don't think he should be looked at like a piece of meat.

Still boggled that people are offended by that.

You must not have been around for the topic in Anything Goes that had some posters describing men as potential rapists if they just said "hello" to a girl walking the streets in New York. Or a simple "hello" was a verbal sexual assault.

So "hello" or 'Smile!" is derogatory and a potential rapist.

But "I wanna bang him so bad" is all good and fun?

Weird double standard.

I think Axl deserves our respect as a human being and to not be sexually objectified. Some of you disagree with that line of reasoning. It's all good - everybody can think what they want. Everybody has a different values system than everybody else.

Do I have to go on the subject twice?

And why do you get stuck with threads from 1921?

Ok, here I go again: I said our expressions about Axl in this forum are harmless. He's attractive, we want to do him (if given the chance) and that's it. We are being "vocal" about it in a fan forum. He probably will never read this or learn about it.

This is nowhere near or similar to the catcalling and harassment women go through in the streets of any country in the world. Women are faced with guys who objectify them in "real life" and are vocal about their sexual desires out in the open, making girls feel extremely scared of what may happen to them in seconds.

I repeat, once again, I would never put Axl in that situation in real life. I would never dare to come close to him and jump on him (like that crazy girl from Porto Alegre), force a kiss to make him disgusted and terrified of me. Hell, I don't know if I had the balls to even say hello and look at him in the eye.

How many more explanations do you need to get my point?

17 more explanations will probably cover it. I get and understand your point. I just don't agree with it.

I think saying "I wanna bang him" is worse than a guy saying "hello" to a girl in real life as she walks by.

Tiny, I'm allowed to have my own opinion on it!!!! It's OK if we disagree. We don't have to agree with everything.

You aren't going to change my mind. I'm not going to change your mind. I was responding to LIO!!!!

Simmer down of cute fluffy one.

Fair enough, Apollonius!

I replied because I know you are talking about me when you make those passive aggressive comments to other people.

Not trying to change your mind. I thought my point wasn't clear when I made it first time.

I still think fantasies and sexual desires are not the same as actions in real life. "Wanna bang him" is indeed worse than a simple "hello". But that hello from a stranger I dont know in real life could lead to something else, while my banging wishes (lol) stay within my soft furry bounderies and don't harm the Axl at all (not even make him worried)