Whiskey Rose

2 minutes ago, HOOSIER GUNZ said:

We just don't know.  We are never going to know.  And that kinda sucks.  We want to know.  So we have to believe.  Trust.

And that kind of succinctly sums it up. 

5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I'm actually surprised Iron Mikey has not argued this point but if you are a Catholic then there has been a multitude of miracles, apparitions, stigmata, intercessions and visions since Jesus/the Apostolic Age which bring us right up to the modern day. From my understand, for each to be attested as bona fide, they've to go through rigorous investigations and debates. 

And how many times have we heard people say "it's a miracle I survived" when in a traumatic accident or situation..how do we know that these things indeed aren't miracles? Perhaps instances like these, which can easily be attributed to chance, or coincidence, are true miracles, and are the balance to the bad things that happen that are much more easily attributable to a careless God. 

8 minutes ago, Fitha_whiskey said:

Is there a song out there about a guy who leaves his truck with a flat tire while he goes off to work while his girl walks to the store to get the stuff to make him cupcakes??? The dude in that song is a lucky dude. Very lucky. 😊

Awww.   But ya, there must be a song about that somewhere 

5 minutes ago, J Dog said:

Are you just hearing him? I've been posting him for the last 2 pages 

Ya, but in my defense, except for the one above they were mostly singing ones, and those other posts of yours you kept saying "new Upchurch" "new Upchurch" and there was never any video! lol 

hick-hop. 

5 minutes ago, J Dog said:

Gonna convert you and fitha whiskey to team R.H.E.C (raise hell & eat cornbread 

lol! Well I like cornbread  And I know a certain truck that Got Dents

omg, is this the new country??  

20 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I used to refer to myself as agnostic until I saw the hilarious South Park episode about fundamentalist agnostics lol. Anyone else seen that? It was very funny, probably one of my favourite episodes.

19 minutes ago, soon said:

I recently started to think that patchouli and sandalwood smell great.  Maybe Im a bit new age? 

Well definitely a hippie

Just now, Oldest Goat said:

As I said, just in my experience. I don't know enough about it to really critique the whole thing. The person my mum dragged me to when I was a teenager I am certain is a fraud and I am certain at least part of the homeopathy community/practice are frauds.

fair enough.

3 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Homeopathy. At least in my experience I think it's merely placebo. Also, bullshit self-help books like that fucking thing Oprah was peddling, talking about how positive thinking magically solves everything. *rolls my eyes*

I also think transcendental meditation is highly suspect because they charge everyone $2000USD to participate.

Homeopathy? But even the scientific medical community uses "like cures like", just look at anti-venom, the antidote for poisonous snake bites!

8 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

8 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

negative things in the world like new-age hippy mumbojumbo

 

What would be considered new age hippy mumbojumbo? Be careful..

4 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

what if you're wrong? That's the point

This is what strikes me as so funny. Both sides, the Theists and the Atheists, have the utmost FAITH and BELIEF that they are right, without any evidentiary "scientific" proof. Neither side has any proof, yet they constantly knock heads, hello!  (but let me say again, I admire and respect those who have a faith in God and follow a religious practice.)

I guess that is why I would be considered Agnostic..I accept that I don't know all the answers of the Universe, and am open to the possibility that there is something out there. Actually I hope there is something out there. Actually I do believe there is something out there. I just don't know what it is.  shit, what am I then?

@janrichmond help me.

Maybe a piece of God and the Divine does appear.. and looks at us through the eyes of our children when they are just babies, and gaze at you from their crib with such curiousity, and trust, and adoration.

wait, I don't have kids, forget that.

6 minutes ago, janrichmond said:

@Whiskey Rose i am atheist because in my mind i just can't get my head around all the shit that happens in this world. Why would a god create pedophiles, rapists and murderers? Why would he create a world that lets people die of cancer? 

Maybe because we were more intelligent and curious than anticipated? Also more greedy, and cruel, and grasping. Also, just like anything else, we evolve and change..and science, or nature, or whatever you want to call it, sometimes makes mistakes and things grow and thrive that shouldn't.

I don't know, really I don't...I'm just trying to understand too.

11 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Okay, put aside the biblical aspect and just tell me what you'd think if you were a guy in a part of the world where women were murdered for adultery and your wife just told you she was knocked up and you weren't the father. But it's all okay because god did it. Does that sound plausible or was Mary just the village bike? 

okay, and for you, putting aside the biblical story aspect of it, (the village bike?! oy!).. only 5 % of the Universe and Matter is known..what the heck else is out there? We don't know! maybe the bible was just a way to put a higher consciousness/purpose/intelligence into a way that we humans would understand. ?

6 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Scientists literally live to prove other scientists wrong.  That's kinda their job.  To think that there are any sacred truths in science is to completely misunderstand the scientific method. What scientists will never do is make a claim without evidence and that evidence will always be published for peer review. 

Ok, makes sense, but you and soulmonster are making claims (of belief ) based on "lack of evidence" from science. Or am I misreading you. So my question still remains, using my above example, is it not possible that the view that you hold, which is based on science, be wrong? Especially since you just say there is no sacred truth.

I am getting myself confused now.. @janrichmond help me

What I wonder, from the Atheist persons point of view, who say God(s) and the afterlife and such, does not exist because there is no "scientific proof" of it... well what about previous scientific discoveries that were vehemently denied by other scientists and the scientific establishment, that were later shown to be true? Such as the earth being round, or even more recently, that ulcers were caused by a bacteria, and not just "stress". If all those other scientists were proven wrong, just because that bacterium hadn't been discovered to cause ulcers "yet"...couldn't it also therefore be possible that "science" is also wrong about God not existing, just because there hasn't been the so called "a-ha" discovery yet?

I like the one for dem boyz better

17 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

You're not an atheist...you're spiritual and you believe in some sort of higher power or that there is more to life than what we are in the flesh.

This is what I was going to say! @Oldest Goat you seem very spiritual to me, just anti-organised religion. And I like the way you question, question, question everything, to get an honest answer and more understanding.

I think, like me, you have a 50/50 shot of going either up or down

L'il Jon Pardi has a new one out on the radio...i like it. 

And a new one from these guys too! Really like this one. 

35 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

You feel the evil in silly song lyrics from Black Sabbath, a band that don't even qualify as shock rockers, yet not from a person who'd love to tear your faith apart? 

You know, I've always wondered if there was a correlation between those people who have religious experiences or the type of thing @Iron MikeyJ describes (thanks for sharing btw, very powerful stuff) and psychedlic drugs. And by that i mean, on psychedelics, your mind becomes a sort of conduit doesn't it, to things you wouldn't normally experience.. and so i wonder, what if certain people's brains, are not normally closed to that type of thing, what if they are already a conduit, without needing the drugs? And that's why certain people experience these things, and certain people don't. Fascinating stuff. 

@Fitha_whiskey and I saw Blackberry Smoke about a week before this performance.. we would have hollered the house down if Richard Fortus came out with them to play UTLH..you know why? Because we love Guns N' Roses..and Richard Fortus is in Guns N' Roses.

1 hour ago, Len Cnut said:

This is why I try to avoid expressing any personal beliefs regarding religion on here but rather question stuff I find interesting or else just not get involved because if you're asking, really and truly, what I feel about em, it ain't positive.  I just use the term 'a load of bollocks' as a quick and easy way of saying 'I don't think its real'.  But yeah, you're right, I agree with what you say though, its why I've opted out of such discussions in terms of actually expressing what I think of it all because I do think its a load of bollocks, apologies to anyone thats offended by that, if it makes anyone feel better I swear a lot, take it to mean 'i don't think any of its real' cuz thats all I'm really saying, I just have a foul mouth, it amounts to the same thing. 

It'd be nice if we could all be a little less sensitive and you could tell me what I thought or believed, whether it be about religion or music or society, is a load of bollocks and I could do the same without either of our feelings being hurt, cuz its none of it personal really, is it, I mean the Catholic Church is an institution and a very powerful one at that, I don't think anyone or any number of people on forums are powerful enough to make a victim of it.

I feel like theatre, the arts, is as precious to me as anything, McLeod regularly tells me its a load of bollocks    Its alright though innit, funny even  

I get what you're saying, but faith can be so at the core of who someone is, it would be hard to not take it personally, no? Esp if comments are snide. Having said that, i dont think "load of bollocks" in itself is a mocking comment, its just what you believe and thats fine! Im not even religious, i just have tremendous respect for those who are, it impresses and humbles me that they have such faith. 

Ps. Robert Mitchum, and Steve McQueen are a load of bollocks..and so is a good fitting suit 

Debate is one thing, but mocking or deriding someone for following a particular faith or believing in some of the practices taught, is particularly despicable imo.

8 hours ago, tsinindy said:

I tend to agree with you, but doubtful as his main competition is literally the greatest male actor of all time....who hasn't done anything in five years and is retiring.  Love Gary Oldman, but not a good year to go up against DDL.

Yes, very unfortunate timing. Oh well, if not this year, his time will certainly come.