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I think it was about both: that it would be The General AND Monsters and also that what we thought was The General was Monsters. The second hint in the joke wouldn't make sense without the first one. It's the kind of inside joke Fernando would make so that he could go back and say "I told you it was a monster" etc.

I think, if we consider that screenshot of the alleged CD2 track list real, all tracks included in it have vocals. Tonto and Nothing are in there (which maybe means that Axl finished Nothing at some point), and there's also "Monstrocity" and "4 Heavens", whatever these are (I don't think 4 Heavens is KOHD as many people believe).

I think hoarders didn't have even earlier versions of either song, as it seems that everyone, including "insiders", thought that Monsters from the cell phone recording was The General. Probably it was leaked by someone associated with the band, but not necessarily with the band's permission.

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Yes. There are no shows in December (and there won't be for a while).

"Fuck this band. They hate hardcore fans" (Flashback from this forum a week ago )

That's the job of the publisher of the artist and in Axl's case it's Universal. We'll have to wait until it's up in other databases that get the information from Slash/Duff's and Brain's end. It's not just the registration. It's also Fernando's quip and even the fact that the tracks leaked together. If Monsters was going to be released separately from the beginning, e.g. with Altas, it most likely wouldn't have leaked or Atlas would have leaked, too. That's an additional reason why I think a mistake in the registration is unlikely. So I think they're either being released together or there's a change of plan that is due to the poor quality of the vinyl pressing because of the length of the two tracks. If that's the case, it was a poor decision on the band's part to make it vinyl exclusive.

Yeah, but on the other hand it was more than what we expected and were promised.

I wouldn't rule it out completely, but I think such a mistake is unlikely. These databases have mistakes sometimes, but they're mostly about who are listed as writers and who are the publishers. But having two songs in one registration by mistake is not common (I don't think).

That would be the best case scenario. I hope you're right, because I don't want to wait a year or more for an official release of Monsters

Two shows back to back must be too much for Axl these days. I guess they played KOHD after Rocket Queen and then T.V. Eye after that so that he could rest his voice.

So you're going to eat ass now?

Another possibility is that they originally intended to release them together (probably with Monsters as a hidden track) and that's why they were registered together, but then they found out that the quality on the 7'' was very low, so they sent it again for pressing without Monsters.

To me the fact that they have been registered together logically means that they are being released together - not as one song, but as part 1 and part 2 on the same release. Unless the registration was a mistake.

I think they played KOHD early at one of the European shows, too.

Maybe they'll play it in Mexico where Axl will be "free" to blow his voice since it's the last show (No, highly doubtful)

Yes, that's how I reckon they could be released, as separate songs but consisting a Pt. 1 and Pt. 2, so they would have to be released together as a pair and not, for example, as b-sides on two different singles.

I don't think they would leave Pitman on the track. I agree about Hard Skool. It doesn't make much sense that it would be Melissa and not Dizzy, but maybe she did something else on it (the bell, as someone said ) https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/226314-monsterssoul-monster-new-information-from-marco-beltrami-leaves-no-room-for-doubt/?do=findComment&comment=5046542

Thanks! Do you remember by any chance if what you heard was only Monsters or it was both The General and Monsters?

I guess if someone had it they would also have to wonder why it didn't sound like the phone recording at all.

Yeah, okay. But that doesn't change when it leaked for the majority of fans and, most importantly, about the fanbase being in the dark regarding which song it was.

I have a file with all the leaks from 2003 to 2018 and the date each one leaked, and the date for the leak of the cell phone recording is June 26, 2018.

The Evader version of "The General" that we know (with the reconstructed Axl vocals and speculated lyrics) is certainly from 2018 or a bit later. Maybe there was an earlier instrumental version based on the orchestral intros (even that though, if it existed, couldn't have been earlier than 2010).

I think Evader's version circulated in 2019 (at least that was when there was a thread about it on here), but maybe it had been out there since 2018 - definitely not earlier though, since the phone clip surfaced in 2018.

I guess @Mindray11 , who recorded it, can answer that. I'm sure he has explained it before.