allwaystired

That rumour has been around for years hasn't it? Since 2017 ish? 

2 hours ago, jacdaniel said:

Slash is too big to do theatre’s really. You’d have to do 4 or 5 nights in theatre to reach all the fans you get at even a 75% arena. 

 But when you play bigger arenas, it can get a bit flat if lots of people don’t recognise the material. 

And believe it or not, most people don’t research a setlist before they buy a ticket. 
 

It’s a tough dilemma for sure. 

I don't know about that. Last time he came to the UK he did 3 or 4 theatre sized venues in different cities.....this time nearly all Arenas, which apparently didn't sell too well.

Theatres is his level these days I think. 

As for setlists.....well, if people go expecting GNR songs, that's on them really. He hasn't done more than one for a couple of tours, and if they cared enough they could easily find that out before they buy a ticket. It's a SMKC show, and, rightly, that's what the set is. 

15 hours ago, colonizedmind said:

I do think the invention of the smart phone was the worst and best thing for concerts EVER!

Also, venue matters, certain places STILL bring the good crowds and atmosphere....they are rarely arenas and certainly not stadiums.

I think as Bruce was saying in a article earlier this week...."I wouldn't pay a grand to see U2 live"...(Or anyone) 

Pricing lots of enthusiast fans out....

Prices have gone totally nuts,.since unless you're a top 20 artist....touring IS the music industry and music,.the excuse, rather than art, to do it....

 

Couldn't agree more on all those aspects. The live music world is very different (and worse in my view) for those of us able to remember how it was. 

1 hour ago, colonizedmind said:

Ok...

So my conclusion before my thoughts...I'm glad I went...in my head I wanted to go, I've just been out the gig game of late, after going to over a 100 a year for work/pleasure in recent past, it's been less of a thing of late ...

So my must see list has been much more diminished but I make an exception for Slash and a few others...I so appreciate those that still tour wide and cover all regions - as often older acts start to miss out areas as the years go on. I only needed one or two encouragement comments to dismantle my faux resistance to make the effort. 

So the Hydro was almost full (13,000) that's a good crowd to pull, especially sans the GNR material. I wonder how many attending are expecting to get GNR and Velvet tracks though?

By the crowd, I'd think a fair few...now he seems to be mixing arenas and smaller venues like you mentioned @allwaystiredin this run and I think for this kinda deep dive set, he needs to can the arenas and I hope since he said he'd be back very soon, he does theatre's for the Bluea tour! Only gate $$$ is the benefit of arena gigs - the atmosphere is never as good, weird isn't it...as you'd think 5 times + the crowd would be better! 

Wednesday night is probably literally the worst night for a rock gig! Bang in the middle of the week people are desperate to get to Friday! Most are middle-aged and have to be up the next day, so can't really let themselves go...and drink ! Which let's be honest, always brings the rowdiness and enthusiasm out most!

I enjoyed the show...I thought Mammoth were decent but his vocal needed a better place in the mix as he's got pipes as well as fret skills! 6 songs a bit short,  more like the amount an opener of a 3 bill gets...but oh well, meant Slash was on earlier and did almost 2 and half hours ..

The first half of the show, atmosphere wise was super subdued. It seemed to weird out Myles, who is probably used to getting great crowds in Scotland most times,.especially when he's played in smaller places with Alter Bridge and solo. He disappeared at one point and came out with a fresh t-shirt saying "Grumpy" and after 3,4 songs began an open monologue he returned to several times...in a typically, Myles, let's not be rude to the audience kinda way, he was saying *Wake The Fuck Up*. ...

He said firstly "Are you having a good time".- asked in an unsure manor and quite surprised when the loudest cheers of the night greeted that question. He asked it again 3 or 4 times...

He tried several times to get folk to sing along in that first half but he wasn't getting anything back, they either didn't know the songs or didn't want to let themselves brace the night (yet...)

He then said after "Starlight" (rather than before - which confused me) "Ya know, I love getting to do what I do and the best feeling in the world, is when people sing with you and rock out with you....Don't be afraid to get your phone light out, dance, sing and have a good time with us"...he seemed a bit pleading but in a roundabout non confrontational way. 

Slash is seemingly unaware, as he's just in the fucking zone...you can go to this gig as you love the SMKC catalogue or you can just go and watch/study and be mesmerized by Slash's skills all night...he never stopped, how much does he burn a show, you think? His finger muscles must be fucking ripped! 🤘

He even though seemed to want to push through and get the casuals more on side as he whipped out (I'm sure every night) a 15 minute version of "Wicked Stone" that seemed to be a marathon but he really was going crazy...he broke two strings on his guitar but then went to lower notes instead and just kept going....like he wanted to smoke his entire guitar by the end of this tune! Everyone could see the string break on the big screens (being an arena they had two at this one - I've seen others complain at the lack of them elsewhere?) and it seemed to warm the crowd up and from then on the phone lights went on, the clapping was way more prolific and there was some singing and call and response with Myles too...

I will say, Todd is just naturally much more of a character and charismatic frontman, really takes his 3 opportunities epically (what pipes and last minute of DDM was like 90s Axl!) And he gets a much louder cheers than any Myles moment. Shame, as Myles is a well trained rock singer, who's very consistence, if slightly ungainly and unremarkable as a frontman. Just my opinion. Probably the perfect foil, to not overshadow what and who is top billing here....🎩

I liked the left field change of pace with the "Rocket Man" cover (biggest sing-a-long all night too) - I think another couple of those moments would benefit the show but it was cool to see Slash on a lap steel...it's like he became Gilmour for 5 mlnutes...

So that's 10 years on from seeing Slash solo last time and whats happened to crowds post pandemic? Like 10 years ago, ok granted, they knew half the set fully and song choices do absolutely (no shit!) make a big atmosphere difference... however 10 years ago, the same SMKC material also got huge response and there were lots of moshing and pits throughout....literally none of that last night and Myles bewildered a.bit and trying politely to encourage participation...Super static and polite applause, mostly.

Is that what all rock acts are getting these days, away from rock festivals and other prime audience locations? 🫤a

 

Decent review there- I did have those fears with him doing Arenas. It doesn't feel like an Arena show to me. 

Interesting about the crowd- I saw GNR in Glasgow last year and it was one of the flattest, quietest, most bland crowds I've ever been in, which was bizarre given Scotland's reputation and the fact pit tickets were so expensive. Perhaps things are changing up in Scotland in regards to crowds? 

16 hours ago, colonizedmind said:

Taking in the big M from a bit back, then moving over during the period everyone will be having a Slash...literally. 🤘

Glad to be here....

 

Your review sold me @allwaystired

Great! Did you enjoy it?! 

9 minutes ago, colonizedmind said:

What was your highlight ? Thinking of travelling to Glasgow as the best GNR experience I ever had was there a few decades ago! Amazing crowd. Wish it was Barrow lands though....like when Slash played with Biffy there...really praying he does the Blues tour in theatre likes thst in the UK too...as that's what that LP will be made for...right.

An absolutely incredible Always On The Run probably, although the first run of four or five songs was great too....

1 hour ago, colonizedmind said:

I'm actually happy it's sans GNR...as that would take away with his work with Axl now and stupid Myles VS Axl comparison would smoke on and on (more)...cool to get Bad Apples or Don't Damn tho! My option is more of an arena, yours sounding much more down and sweaty! Ya! I think I'll rock up though! You never know when these legends might just keal over...and in Slash's case, it probably WILL be on some stage somewhere....😝

Go for it! Which one you going to go to? 

The Myles/Axl stuff is a waste of time. He's a great performer, puts everything in, different style. I like both singers! 

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On 3/31/2024 at 11:12 AM, JimiRose said:

I can't remember who that was with, I think we came to an amicable agreement, but hell it'd give me something to train for, gym motivation is always tough!

Went to see Slash this week and me and a friend were discussing it and how much fun it would be! Sadly I can't remember who it was either......

What happened to that fist fight that was going to happen? @JimiRose, do you remember? 

I'm keen to see it. This summer hopefully? 

8 minutes ago, k12 said:

I'd hate for this to happen because it would mean a reduced "greatest hits" show, granted GNR is probably not capable of continuing their 2 hour 45 minute shows in the future given their age, but a co-headline bill would assure their shows would be 2 hours tops and anything rare or "b-side" would surely get dropped

Yep. It is probably inevitable though that they're going to drop the set length at some point anyway I imagine.

Oh, no chance are GNR opening for anyone. I could see a 'double headliner' thing happening though, even though GNR would probably go on last so it would feel more like them having a big support band.

1 hour ago, Tom-Ass said:

Crue brought it all on themselves.. They are one of my all-time favorite bands, but they are a complete joke now. I have seen them around 30 times and some of the best shows I have ever seen.. They may not have been the tightest band live but they were a great rock show and they used to actually play live. They could throw one hell of a party.. 

The backing tracks became way out of hand.  Whether it was them pretending to sing background vocals or Nikki pretending to play bass. They tried to distract everyone with explosions. Then there is Vince.. No explanation needed.. They should have ducked out after the Carnival of Sins tour which was great.. Then there is the whole retiring thing.. They should have stayed retired and things had gotten so bad that I thought they would.. The stadium tour was delayed due to the Kung Flu but when did they announce it initially? Like 3 years after their "final show"? People here bitch about the Guns setlist... Motley Crue have basically been playing the same 14 song set greatest hits for 20 years now. They used to throw in a decent amount of deep cuts.. Train wreck.  

 

That's all fair enough, especially coming from someone that has seen them so many times over the years.

I get a bit more now why people have a problem with them!

Ok, the not playing live thing is a fair criticism! 

The behaviour stuff.....I mean GNR aren't exactly saints in terms of some of their past behaviour! 

Musically, yeah, GNR are way more my thing, but that's just a taste thing surely? 

Other than personal preferences on the music, I don't see that much difference between Motley Crue and GNR really. 

I don't really get why people don't like Motley Crue to the level they do, again, other than preferring the music of GNR. 

If we're talking 'musically credible band' stuff, surely Motley Crue might even surpass GNR- they've done way more albums. 

I could see this happening a few years down the line. GNR can sell enough tickets on their own to not have to do it, but give it time.....

2 hours ago, lunastar said:

90% of the success of a song is the song itself, not the style of the hat and the curls underneath. GNR won't die without Slash if Axl records a smash hit with another guitarist. 

'The hat and the curls underneath' took them back to playing stadiums rather than half empty halls.

As for the bit about Axl recording a smash hit with another guitarist..... let's let him start with doing one with the  current guitarist. Who happens to be one of the best in world. 

1 minute ago, jamillos said:

Never doubted that, but if Slash doesn't like something and puts his foot down, Axl's in a real pickle, that's what I'm saying. 

Just in case - please don't put me in any boxes here. If anything, I agree with 99% what Allwaystired writes on this forum...

Oh yeah, they'd be done. But then I imagine, he wants a nice easy life and a lucrative touring job.....so, he's probably highly unlikely to put his foot down, just in case.  

As it stands, everyone involved seems to be happy, and everyone involved is making a lot of money. As long as that continues I can't see any boats being rocked at all, from any party. 

3 minutes ago, DTV88 said:

I get what you’re trying to do here, but it’s really pointless to engage with people who are lapping at Axl’s nuts. It’s like trying to get a MAGA chump to act like a human being with compassion for others. 

Yeah, it is not really worth it. 

The suggestion that the band could carry on without Slash did get me though- can you imagine?! 

"You wanted 2024 GNR? Well they couldn't make it! So here's what you get instead......from the fevered dreams of the GNR forums.....it's 2012 GNR!" 

2 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Ha, your typical everyday forum material – spewing out monologues without even trying to understand each other. Does it really freaking matter how exactly we call it? It’s a question of percentage one way or the other. Think of it as shareholders. Is one of the two (I’m not counting Duff here) a major one and the other minor? Or are these two on a 50/50 basis? That’s the real question! 

And my view would be that Slash had no reason to come back into an arrangement as crazy and disadvantageous as the one in the heydays was. Which means even if he’s surely not going to make Axl go to the studio or write new material, he definitely could, for example, say 'look, I’m not doing another tour unless we’re supporting a new album with it.'
There you go. 
But as usual, we know fuck all anyway. 

Doesn't matter in the slightest. It's Axl's band, he calls all the shots, and that's about all we need to know anyway really.

That and when the new album is out of course.......

15 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

No, actually if no employment contract is signed, then they aren't employees. One can get compensated for work and not be an employee (like external consultants). But if you have an employment contract you are per definition an employee. 

Sure. 

Plenty to read about it online, but I'm done debating it round and round on here! 

17 minutes ago, Lio said:

No, it's plain wrong. You can't make up your own definition of something and then blame people for not getting your personal definition of something and pretending they're being willingly obtuse for not getting it.

Have a look at those articles posted. It's not wrong at all - you can be a partner and an employee, depending on many factors. 

I mean this place is full of opinions, and all the better for it, but it is tiresome when people just say 'wrong' without reading the facts. 

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

But they aren't employees because they haven't signed employment contract which would regulate the relationship between them and Axl under US employment laws. They are partners as other people have pointed out and argued for earlier, because they are parties to a partnership agreement.

Again, that doesn't mean they're not employees.

Plenty to read on the matter, but I don't think that's going to happen! 

https://aghlc.com/resources/articles/2016/partners-as-employees-160822.aspx

7 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

It is certainly unusual and weird to operate with the assumptions that partners are always equal and that the only other alternative is an employee-employee relantionship. 

A partnership simply means that two or more people or entities work towards some defined objective. 

Right. So they could well be employees. Which I think was my original point? 

19 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

That's a truly weird and unusual way to look at "employment" and "partners".

Nothing 'weird and unusual' about it in the slightest. 

A partner can also be an employee, depending on what setup they have. And we don't know what setup they do have. 

https://www.foxwilliams.com/2017/02/28/status-symbols-what-factors-will-decide-whether-your-partners-are-employees/