brazil66 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Axl has publicly spoke about "management" out on this tour at Tokyo and now Toronto. Obviously the business end of things has annoyed him and the band. Question is...What is it they are suppose to do...especially on tour? He also mentioned that they don't have management involvement, if the tour is going this well do they need them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MicEffecT Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 They have management now but didn't when they did the 4 shows in Asia. In Toronto he said they didn't even have management when they started the tour but things are going well, i assume means they have management now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brazil66 Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 Did Axl Not say it more the same as it was in Asia that they still do not have management involvement and had many disagreements. (During Knockin @ Toronto) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eOcS46FGME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estranged Reality Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I dunno about management, but I think they could benefit from having someone to handle their PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyeast Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I have no idea about the management situation but, just because to us everything seems to be going well, we don't know what is happening behind the scenes. It could be going smooth or it could be total chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgunblues1978 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I figured there was some sort of rift between GNR and Azoff when the website owned and run by Azoff's company ran a pretty negative and condescending article about Axl after the paparazzi incident prior to the Asian showsWhatever happened, at least Azoff's management did what Goldstein and Merck couldn't and got the album released. Now the band has seemed to do a pretty good job of pulling off a tour that has been excellent in terms of performance and done well enough in terms of ticket sales to prove that they are financially viable so hopefully the ball keeps rolling, tour keeps going and we get another album some time soon. It seems that now that CD came out and the tour finally kicked off that everyone involved seems liberated and seems to be enjoying themselves again, probably bodes well for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyDRE Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I dunno about management, but I think they could benefit from having someone to handle their PR. they need better management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTZ Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Axl mentioned Irv after the pap incident as if he was still with Irv. Haven't heard they split. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsguy Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Not sure whats up but Del James is with them as the touring Manager but that is different all together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr-dave Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Axl has publicly spoke about "management" out on this tour at Tokyo and now Toronto. Obviously the business end of things has annoyed him and the band. Question is...What is it they are suppose to do...especially on tour? He also mentioned that they don't have management involvement, if the tour is going this well do they need them?Of course they do, if they did not have management we would still be waiting for the album.Axls problem is unless you are a yes man then there is a problem. Management does not kiss Axls ass and they tell him how it is, that is a so called problem to Axl.Axl needs more people like that around him, not ones like Beta who tell him he is always right even when he is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madison Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Axl has publicly spoke about "management" out on this tour at Tokyo and now Toronto. Obviously the business end of things has annoyed him and the band. Question is...What is it they are suppose to do...especially on tour? He also mentioned that they don't have management involvement, if the tour is going this well do they need them?Of course they do, if they did not have management we would still be waiting for the album.Axls problem is unless you are a yes man then there is a problem. Management does not kiss Axls ass and they tell him how it is, that is a so called problem to Axl.Axl needs more people like that around him, not ones like Beta who tell him he is always right even when he is wrong.I have to agree. Azoff is the creme-de-la-creme when it comes to artist management. Plus, he heads up Ticketmaster which is in the process of merging with Live Nation, which will effectively make him the most powerful man in the music industry. Not a bad person to have behind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRose14 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Axl has publicly spoke about "management" out on this tour at Tokyo and now Toronto. Obviously the business end of things has annoyed him and the band. Question is...What is it they are suppose to do...especially on tour? He also mentioned that they don't have management involvement, if the tour is going this well do they need them?Of course they do, if they did not have management we would still be waiting for the album.Axls problem is unless you are a yes man then there is a problem. Management does not kiss Axls ass and they tell him how it is, that is a so called problem to Axl.Axl needs more people like that around him, not ones like Beta who tell him he is always right even when he is wrong.I have to agree. Azoff is the creme-de-la-creme when it comes to artist management. Plus, he heads up Ticketmaster which is in the process of merging with Live Nation, which will effectively make him the most powerful man in the music industry. Not a bad person to have behind you. :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlossacanell Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Axl has publicly spoke about "management" out on this tour at Tokyo and now Toronto. Obviously the business end of things has annoyed him and the band. Question is...What is it they are suppose to do...especially on tour? He also mentioned that they don't have management involvement, if the tour is going this well do they need them?Of course they do, if they did not have management we would still be waiting for the album.Axls problem is unless you are a yes man then there is a problem. Management does not kiss Axls ass and they tell him how it is, that is a so called problem to Axl.Axl needs more people like that around him, not ones like Beta who tell him he is always right even when he is wrong.I have to agree. Azoff is the creme-de-la-creme when it comes to artist management. Plus, he heads up Ticketmaster which is in the process of merging with Live Nation, which will effectively make him the most powerful man in the music industry. Not a bad person to have behind you.Then why he is not with Axl anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr-dave Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Axl has publicly spoke about "management" out on this tour at Tokyo and now Toronto. Obviously the business end of things has annoyed him and the band. Question is...What is it they are suppose to do...especially on tour? He also mentioned that they don't have management involvement, if the tour is going this well do they need them?Of course they do, if they did not have management we would still be waiting for the album.Axls problem is unless you are a yes man then there is a problem. Management does not kiss Axls ass and they tell him how it is, that is a so called problem to Axl.Axl needs more people like that around him, not ones like Beta who tell him he is always right even when he is wrong.I have to agree. Azoff is the creme-de-la-creme when it comes to artist management. Plus, he heads up Ticketmaster which is in the process of merging with Live Nation, which will effectively make him the most powerful man in the music industry. Not a bad person to have behind you.Then why he is not with Axl anymore?Because Axl does not like to be told he is wrong.He seems to fire people that give him reality checks.So the latest is Azoff is not with Axl anymore again? Axl keeps firing him and bringing him back. That is funny.But Azroff is the wrong guy to mess with, because he could make it impossible for Axl to tour the US if he wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naupis Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Because Axl does not like to be told he is wrong.He seems to fire people that give him reality checks.So the latest is Azoff is not with Axl anymore again? Axl keeps firing him and bringing him back. That is funny.But Azroff is the wrong guy to mess with, because he could make it impossible for Axl to tour the US if he wanted to. Let's be realistic here.If Azoff is no longer with Axl, it is because he sees a reunion is not happening. Anyone who thinks he was interested in anything other than seeing if he could squeeze a nine figure reunion deal out of the situation is awfully naive. Putting together high dollar reunions is his specialty, and GNR is the biggest money reunion left out there. He probably wanted to take a shot at it, but I am sure it is clear to him it is not happening, thus his tolerance level for the bullshit associated with managing GNR dropped precipitously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick85 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Axl has publicly spoke about "management" out on this tour at Tokyo and now Toronto. Obviously the business end of things has annoyed him and the band. Question is...What is it they are suppose to do...especially on tour? He also mentioned that they don't have management involvement, if the tour is going this well do they need them?Of course they do, if they did not have management we would still be waiting for the album.Axls problem is unless you are a yes man then there is a problem. Management does not kiss Axls ass and they tell him how it is, that is a so called problem to Axl.Axl needs more people like that around him, not ones like Beta who tell him he is always right even when he is wrong.I have to agree. Azoff is the creme-de-la-creme when it comes to artist management. Plus, he heads up Ticketmaster which is in the process of merging with Live Nation, which will effectively make him the most powerful man in the music industry. Not a bad person to have behind you.Wasn't Beta the one who stone-walled Slash when he tried to visit Axl in '05? It would be nice if he surrounded himself with people who didn't fan the flames of his insecurities and anger. That's not to say that Beta has not been a positivitve part of Axl's life. She obviously has. It's just that he should probably listen to those who have been in the business and know what will work for this band other than a group of 'yes men'. Edited February 2, 2010 by sofine11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveysham Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Axl has publicly spoke about "management" out on this tour at Tokyo and now Toronto. Obviously the business end of things has annoyed him and the band. Question is...What is it they are suppose to do...especially on tour? He also mentioned that they don't have management involvement, if the tour is going this well do they need them?Of course they do, if they did not have management we would still be waiting for the album.Axls problem is unless you are a yes man then there is a problem. Management does not kiss Axls ass and they tell him how it is, that is a so called problem to Axl.Axl needs more people like that around him, not ones like Beta who tell him he is always right even when he is wrong.I have to agree. Azoff is the creme-de-la-creme when it comes to artist management. Plus, he heads up Ticketmaster which is in the process of merging with Live Nation, which will effectively make him the most powerful man in the music industry. Not a bad person to have behind you.Wasn't Beta the one who stone-walled Slash when he tried to visit Axl in '05? It would be nice if he surrounded himself with people who didn't fan the flames of his insecurities and anger. That's not to say that Beta has not been a positivitve part of Axl's life. She obviously has. It's just that he should probably listen to those who have been in the business and know what will work for this band other than a group of 'yes men'.To be fair if Axl listened to management he wouldn't have played Asia or half the shows in Canada. It's for the fan's benefit. There's a problem with listening the industry as well because it becomes formulaic and about number crunching. I think it's a sign that axl isn't this 'corporal sell out' which he often gets labelled as. Sometimes it's good that he doesn't compromise as it means we get something different and more people get to experience a show that otherwise they wouldn't have gotten because it doesn't meet some anal, bureaucratic requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlossacanell Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Axl has publicly spoke about "management" out on this tour at Tokyo and now Toronto. Obviously the business end of things has annoyed him and the band. Question is...What is it they are suppose to do...especially on tour? He also mentioned that they don't have management involvement, if the tour is going this well do they need them?Of course they do, if they did not have management we would still be waiting for the album.Axls problem is unless you are a yes man then there is a problem. Management does not kiss Axls ass and they tell him how it is, that is a so called problem to Axl.Axl needs more people like that around him, not ones like Beta who tell him he is always right even when he is wrong.I have to agree. Azoff is the creme-de-la-creme when it comes to artist management. Plus, he heads up Ticketmaster which is in the process of merging with Live Nation, which will effectively make him the most powerful man in the music industry. Not a bad person to have behind you.Then why he is not with Axl anymore?Because Axl does not like to be told he is wrong.He seems to fire people that give him reality checks.So the latest is Azoff is not with Axl anymore again? Axl keeps firing him and bringing him back. That is funny.But Azroff is the wrong guy to mess with, because he could make it impossible for Axl to tour the US if he wanted to.That makes sense for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eye2eye Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Do you really think that even if Axl fired Azoff it would have any impact on US tour ? It's all about money , if Azoff sees that he can make few more dollars by such tour he won't do any problems, it is music industry now - all about money $$$$, and Axl is one of the last, who doesn't care about money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlossacanell Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Well,I think Axl wants to do things in his own way and interest, and money is not his priority... by the contrary, money is everything for a manager ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlossacanell Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I think alot of the talk is just Axl being Axl. Meaning, Azoff is still GNR's manager, but he and Axl aren't seeing eye to eye. Hence as Axl sees it, "We have no management involvement," really means, "Management isn't doing what I say so fuck them."Maybe you are right and Azoff is still the manager. We´ll know for sure soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManetsBR Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 WHAT? A "alliance" between Ticketmaster and GNR was just announced. Irving owns Ticketmaster! They did not split! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTZ Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 There has never even been a rumor that they split. I don't know why people keep saying it in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyDRE Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Of course they've split.In the press release, that the band pretends wasn't a press release, axl says it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orsys Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Axl has publicly spoke about "management" out on this tour at Tokyo and now Toronto. Obviously the business end of things has annoyed him and the band. Question is...What is it they are suppose to do...especially on tour? He also mentioned that they don't have management involvement, if the tour is going this well do they need them?Of course they do, if they did not have management we would still be waiting for the album.Axls problem is unless you are a yes man then there is a problem. Management does not kiss Axls ass and they tell him how it is, that is a so called problem to Axl.Axl needs more people like that around him, not ones like Beta who tell him he is always right even when he is wrong.I have to agree. Azoff is the creme-de-la-creme when it comes to artist management. Plus, he heads up Ticketmaster which is in the process of merging with Live Nation, which will effectively make him the most powerful man in the music industry. Not a bad person to have behind you.Wasn't Beta the one who stone-walled Slash when he tried to visit Axl in '05? It would be nice if he surrounded himself with people who didn't fan the flames of his insecurities and anger. That's not to say that Beta has not been a positivitve part of Axl's life. She obviously has. It's just that he should probably listen to those who have been in the business and know what will work for this band other than a group of 'yes men'.I imagine everything Beta does has Axl's approval and that she wouldn't turn Slash away if it wasn't what Axl wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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