SALonghorn Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) Anybody fill me in about what Axl was talking about in the TMS interview about Abu Dhabi in December 2010?Quote:"The stuff coming out of Abu Dubai just now. We got way betrayed in business. We had no (idea)...we didn't see it coming. Some really horrible things were said about people who did not deserve it for any reason. The whole band was turning against different people and then found out it was all a smokescreen. It was all nonsense. It was all lies."Is he talking about Azoff? I thought that happened in 2009. Whatever happened must have occupied Axl and the band for the first part of this year (2011) Edited November 17, 2011 by SALonghorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packersnroses Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I, too, had no idea what he was talking about. Maybe it was about the supposed plan to tour the U.S. in Februray, Doc McGee leaving, or the rumor that Tommy was going to be fired. No idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scans n' copies Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I think we are all pretty curious about that stuff. It would be nice to know what went down but I'd bet ya we never find out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binge_And_Slash Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I figured it was the MSL powerpoint presentation thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 what's Abu Dubai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I figured it was the MSL powerpoint presentation thing?That's what I initially thought but then someone pointed out that this didn't happen until February. It must have been the rumors about Tommy leaving. Everyone wanted a US tour lined up for when they got back but that was wishful thinking due to the legal battle (if Axl suspected otherwise then his head was still so high). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 what's Abu Dubai?Are you trying to point out the typo, or actually asking what Abu Dhabi is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 what's Abu Dubai?Are you trying to point out the typo, or actually asking what Abu Dhabi is?oh it's a little more than a typo. When did you become Mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBrownstone Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Abu Dhabi is a city in Dubai, a country in the United Arab Emirates. The topic creator probably got the names confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 what's Abu Dubai?Are you trying to point out the typo, or actually asking what Abu Dhabi is?oh it's a little more than a typo. When did you become Mod?Back in May or so, same time Zint got promoted to global mod and Orsys became a mod too Abu Dhabi is a city in Dubai, a country in the United Arab Emirates. The topic creator probably got the names confused.According to my understanding, Abu Dhabi and Dubai are 2 separate cities within the United Arab Emirates. I could be wrong though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 DIRKA DIRKA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBrownstone Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 what's Abu Dubai?Are you trying to point out the typo, or actually asking what Abu Dhabi is?oh it's a little more than a typo. When did you become Mod?Back in May or so, same time Zint got promoted to global mod and Orsys became a mod too Abu Dhabi is a city in Dubai, a country in the United Arab Emirates. The topic creator probably got the names confused.According to my understanding, Abu Dhabi and Dubai are 2 separate cities within the United Arab Emirates. I could be wrong though... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emiratesyeah you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SALonghorn Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) Correction made to city name. I real MSL's post on his own site regarding McGee wanting to schedule a US tour but couldn't due to Irving Azoff interfering. As well as Tommy quitting the band b/c he wasn't paid and the possability of Duff rejoining the band.MSL's post on February 2nd at his own board: http://mistersaintlaurent.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=346Quote:"On December 16, Guns N' Roses took the stage in Abu Dhabi to cap off the most recent leg of the never-ending Chinese Democracy World Tour. On December 15, Guns N' Roses manager Doc McGhee was informed by members of the band that Tommy Stinson did not intend to take the stage. And now, on February 2, those same band members find themselves uninformed, unpaid and searching for the same answers as the rabid GNR fanbase . . . What is next for Guns N' Roses?Answering that question is nearly impossible and Doc McGhee is just the latest in a long line of managers learning first hand that no matter what you have planned, at any point, W. Axl Rose may take his ball and go home.While McGhee refused to comment for this story, documents recently received by mistersaintlaurent.com reveal a very thorough and dedicated plan to re-market Chinese Democracy in the US later this year. A full North American arena tour and Best Buy exclusive reissue of Chinese Democracy would both launch on March 29. The tour would run through May 17 and hit 30 markets, including NY, LA, Vegas, Ft. Lauderdale, Boston, Detroit, Toronto, Indianapolis, Phoenix, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Tampa, Philly, DC, Denver, San Jose, Calgary, Winnipeg, Omaha and Houston. The album reissue would contain new artwork and a second disc containing bonus material. In addition to remixes of tracks from the album, the bonus disc would contain a new song 'Blood In The Water' as well as a new version of 'Better' featuring DJ Ashba, which would serve as the radio single for the reissue. All of this would be announced February 7, with a secret show the day before the Super Bowl (February 5) at The Lodge in Dallas. Yet, it's February 2 and those in the GNR camp that were willing to speak to mistersaintlaurent.com insist they have not received any airfare or itinerary. While nobody would dispute that a very disappointed Axl Rose has holed himself up at home once again, most agreed he was justifiably upset."When we got back to the states, we expected Doc to have a US tour ready for us," said one member of Guns N' Roses that spoke with mistersaintlaurent.com. "When we found out things were still up in the air, everyone was deflated, but Axl took the news the worst," he continued.But why is Doc McGhee having so much trouble finalizing a North American tour? Multiple sponsors have already signed on, including John Varvatos, Bloomingdales and Deleon Tequila. Companies such as Monster Energy and Harley-Davidson have had discussions with GNR as well about sponsoring a tour.The answer may very well lie with Axl's previous manager, the mega powerful Irving Azoff. With Azoff controlling everything from venues to ticketing, many have accused Azoff of interfering with Doc's plan of attack for 2011.So with the tour appearing to be off, where does that leave things with Best Buy? Although Best Buy had been burned by the first release of Chinese Democracy, they've pledged major funds to help market a reissue. Will they continue to be so supportive when clearly it is impossible for Guns N' Roses to reliably stick to any sort of plan.And if and when the band returns, who will be playing bass? It wasn't that long ago that Duff McKagan appeared on stage with the band, a move that shocked fans throughout the world. But what wasn't publicly known at the time was that for years there have been internal discussions about canning Stinson due to problems with alcohol as well as his treneil'nNeilyNeilent of staff and crew. What role this played in Stinson threatening to not take the stage in Abu Dhabi is not known, but what is known is that as far back as 2008, Axl and other members of the band had many discussions about the pros and cons of a Duff return, a return Duff has privately expressed interest in repeatedly behind closed doors.So what is next for Guns N' Roses? Unfortunately, not even Guns N' Roses itself knows the answer to that question. But rest assured, this story is far from over. "All rumors, but I don't see the connection to what Axl refers to a "betrayal" or "smokescreen". Axl's twitter post on February 4th:Quote:"Contrary to anyone's claims there are no concrete plans nor were there ever for a tour, a relaunch or sponsors (n' certainly not to replace anyone in the band) beyond a collection of random ideas thrown out by various individuals w/out any real foundation or negotiations in place other than our prior involvements (which wouldn't take a rocket scientist to put together). And 4 the record Doc McGhee is no longer involved w/either myself or GN'R." Edited November 17, 2011 by SALonghorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 DIRKA DIRKAYou Klan hood is on too tight. It's affecting your posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 To me, it seemed like McGhee was brought in to figure out how to get around Azoff's control over Ticketmaster and book venues, similar to what Pearl Jam did when they were fighting Ticketmaster, but if you saw the documentary, it wound up putting a strain on the band. Pretty much came in as a consultant to help them get through some issues, and in the end, he prob. just told him he had no choice if he wanted to play in North America. Keep in mind, how many shows they've done over the past couple of years, he's NOT hurting for money, and if this is leg of the tour is to settle with Azoff, they're not treating it like a contract obligation tour. If Axl owed Azoff's management 5 million, it's a few nights of sweat off his balls, a couple of private shows, and he wipes his hands clean of him, except all things Ticketmaster-related. David Lee Roth had described what Azoff did as being passed along to the manager of Paul Revere and the Raiders. I'm pretty sure Axl signed off with Azoff being available to him, not one of his lackeys. But the live music industry called on guys like him to try to fix it, and he offloaded every band except the Eagles, one of the first bands he's managed. And maybe Steely Dan. No more deal with Best Buy... when the Police reunited, credit card holders had first crack at tickets. GNR tour, this isn't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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