If Slash hadn't left...

[bionic56]

If they found a way to stick together, biggest band ever except for Queen. See it both sides, Slash wanted to be active and enjoy his fame, Axl at the time had issues, seems very chilled these days, wanted to stay away from all that. Can't blame wanting to out and making music. Just a shame they can't find a way to patch things up, atleast to bury the shit, Don't want a reunion now tho, love this band, new albulm would be great and another world tour 2014-15.

[WhazUp]

I think they would still be at least"U2 Big"....

there is a major problem with this theory. axl & izzy were the primary songwriters of the classic material. even if slash hadn't left, the fact is that without izzy, we really don't know if GNR would have been able to continue to create massive blockbuster albums.

Didn't Izzy jam with Slash and co. back in the 90's when they were gathering ideas for a new album? In that case it would be similar to a lot of the Illusions material where Slash overdubs the rhythm work or they could have had either Gilby or an "Axl-approved" guitarist fill in those shoes, but some of the ideas would still be Izzy's

[Guest Satanisk_Slakt]

I think they would still be at least"U2 Big"....

there is a major problem with this theory. axl & izzy were the primary songwriters of the classic material. even if slash hadn't left, the fact is that without izzy, we really don't know if GNR would have been able to continue to create massive blockbuster albums.

Didn't Izzy jam with Slash and co. back in the 90's when they were gathering ideas for a new album? In that case it would be similar to a lot of the Illusions material where Slash overdubs the rhythm work or they could have had either Gilby or an "Axl-approved" guitarist fill in those shoes, but some of the ideas would still be Izzy's

I think Duff and Izzy wrote like 12 songs or something together during two weeks in 95 and then he came back in 96 and helped writing songs with the whole band.

I remember reading an interview with Slash (I think) in 96 where he said that they'd go out and tour for their new album in January or February in 97, that it was almost ready.

[Peter Shneck]

If Slash wouldn't have left, people would still care about GNR.

/thread.

[Peter Shneck]

debatable. it's 5 o'clock somewhere released under the GNR name could have damaged the brand just as much as the long wait did for chinese. GNR avoided becoming has beens by just never being. then returned when they would have become a nostalgia act anyway.

It's 5 O'clock was primarily written by a guitarist, so turned out to be a riffy guitar driven album. I don't think Slash would have expected the entire album to be the new GNR completely. There's ideas on that album that could have been worked on in a band setting. This didn't happen so Slash released it himself. This is what set Axl off. I will add, at that point I think the relationships were in such a bad shape that Axl wouldn't have accepted anything that Slash turned in. That is of course debatable and solely my opinion.

[Millions]

There have been a lot of good songs over the years released by Slash, Izzy and even Duff on their solo albums. None of the albums are themselves great, but most have 2 or 3 great songs on there. If these had been given the GNR treatment, the sound, and Axl's vocals..... then what an album we would've had. As an example - how about this as a GNR record that never was:

1) Messages - Velvet Revolver

2) Fucked Up Beyond Belief - Duff

3) American Man - Velvet Revolver

4) Gotta Say - Izzy

5) Spectacle - Velvet Revolver

6) Serial Killer - Slash

7) Lonely Tonite - Duff

8) Slither - Velvet Revolver

9) Beggars And Hangers On - Slash

10) Lower - Slash

[Peter Shneck]

It's 5 O'clock was primarily written by a guitarist, so turned out to be a riffy guitar driven album. I don't think Slash would have expected the entire album to be the new GNR completely.

those involved have claimed that slash took an all or nothing stance with the album. so yes, he expected it to be the entire new GNR album completely.

Those involved claim a lot of things such as:

1. It's still someone elses fault 20 years later why GNR go on stage late.

2. It's someone elses fault that so many musicians have left GNR (just counting new era alone).

3. It's the fault of all the previous managers who have left/been fired from GNR.

4. Someone 'hacked' his twitter.

5. CD will be coming out [enter recurring date here].

I could literally go on for hours.

Oh I forgot one.

It's Beta's fault. See Rio '11.

[Peter Shneck]

peter -

axl is not the only one who has commented about it, but since you've now posted even more inaccurate information, i hope you won't mind if i correct a few things.

as for why GNR goes on late, the most common reason axl has given over the years is that he's been late his whole life for everything. so, while axl repeatedly says it's his fault, you lie and say he blamed it on someone else.

the "fault" for most of the people who have left from the new era is not something axl has really addressed. how do we know whose fault he thinks it is?

what is the fault of previous managers? are you sure what your point even is?

please show me where axl said his twitter was hacked.

axl only gave a date for CD once and very specifically let everyone know it was a tentative date he was hoping for, but that the album could be delayed further.

were you unaware of these things, or were you purposely lying?

Actually, Axl only took ownership of going on late in the Eddie Trunk interview where as you stated, he said he was late for everything when he was young. For years leading up to it, he used to say "things just go wrong, whether it's crew mistakes etc etc". Must have had a pretty crap crew for over 20 years. To go one further, DJ Ashba's excuse for the late starts is room service are always late. Such global inefficiency, I feel for them.

All the answers you want are on the interwebz, go and find them.

Edited July 6, 2012 by Peter Shneck

[SoulMonster]

peter -

axl is not the only one who has commented about it, but since you've now posted even more inaccurate information, i hope you won't mind if i correct a few things.

as for why GNR goes on late, the most common reason axl has given over the years is that he's been late his whole life for everything. so, while axl repeatedly says it's his fault, you lie and say he blamed it on someone else.

the "fault" for most of the people who have left from the new era is not something axl has really addressed. how do we know whose fault he thinks it is?

what is the fault of previous managers? are you sure what your point even is?

please show me where axl said his twitter was hacked.

axl only gave a date for CD once and very specifically let everyone know it was a tentative date he was hoping for, but that the album could be delayed further.

were you unaware of these things, or were you purposely lying?

Actually, Axl only took ownership of going on late in the Eddie Trunk interview where as you stated, he said he was late for everything when he was young. For years leading up to it, he used to say "things just go wrong, whether it's crew mistakes etc etc".

Actually, he has taken responsibility for being late before the Eddie Trunk interview, too...I can't remember when or where, but I believe it was back in the 90s.

[Peter Shneck]

peter -

since you addressed nothing else, i'm going to assume even you realize you were full of shit on almost all of your points, but that you really do believe axl had never, until recently, mentioned that lateness has been a lifelong problem.

but the thing is, axl has talked about that for many many years.

so at best, you were misinformed about one point and completely lying about all the others.

still waiting for you to let us know where axl claimed his twitter was hacked.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/7949521/Axl-Roses-Twitter-account-hacked.html

http://www.billboard.com/news/axl-rose-s-twitter-account-hacked-tour-still-1004109436.story#/news/axl-rose-s-twitter-account-hacked-tour-still-1004109436.story

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/08/17/us-axl-idUSTRE67G0M120100817

http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2010/08/17/axl-roses-twitter-account-hacked/

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38723387/ns/today-entertainment/t/axl-roses-twitter-account-hacked-tour-still/#.T_bL3vUVnuc

http://www.sugarslam.com/axl-rose-twitter-hacked-shows-cancelled/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/17/axlrose_twitter_hack/

http://www.kerrang.com/blog/2010/08/axl_roses_twitter_was_hacked.html

http://music.rightcelebrity.com/?p=3640

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2010/08/axl-rose-s-twitter-account-hacked/19124/

Anything else, MSL?

[Peter Shneck]

hahahahahahahaha, did you read any of those articles? i guess not, because if you had, you'd know none of them contain a statement from axl claiming his twitter was hacked.

They clearly state a spokesperson from GNR blah blah blah... you think statements get made without the bosses permission? You can't be this foolish, surely?

A spokesman for the Guns N' Roses rock group has confirmed that lead singer Axl Rose's Twitter account has been hacked, and that their European tour is proceeding. Source: http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2010/08/17/axl-roses-twitter-account-hacked/

Edited July 6, 2012 by Peter Shneck

[YOUCOULDBEMINE.]

Both Axl and Slash want to be the center of attention. Wouldn't have worked out.

[Madridista]

Gnr would have still self destructed by now, even if Slash hadn't left in the mid 90's. It was gonna happen sooner or later. But if he hadn't left, if they had somehow found a way to work out their differences, then we'd probably have a post-UYI album with awesome material. Maybe the songs on it would be even better than the UYI hits. Who knows? It's a shame, really. Because we all know the amazing amount of talent the old lineup had.

I think Slash should not have been so critical of Axl's ballads and synths and keyboards. I love the UYI albums, with all the sound effects and added stuff. As many of you have said, This I love or Sorry or Better or Street of Dreams with the old lineup would've sounded 100000 times better. Those songs are great, but with a Slash solo or with the touch of the old band, they would've been on a whole different level.

And Axl should not have tried to get full control of the band. I am sure Duff and Slash were willing to work with him till the very last second.

But this is all history now. It's sad a reunion will never happen.

[Peter Shneck]

They clearly state a spokesperson from GNR blah blah blah... you think statements get made without the bosses permission? You can't be this foolish, surely?

Now you're trying to change your argument. Did you really think I wasn't aware that OTHERS had claimed his twitter was hacked? You said Axl claimed it was hacked. Still waiting for you to show me where he claimed that.

Now that we know you had no problem being so loose with the truth on this matter, one must wonder what else you attempted to intentionally mislead the community about.

All the while, trying to distract from the original falsehood you posted (that Slash didn't want 5 o'clock somewhere to be the next GNR album). Even though Slash has publicly stated he intended for that record to be the next GNR album.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, I WILL CATCH YOU. SOUL MONSTER WILL CATCH YOU. OTHERS WILL CATCH YOU. CONSIDER THIS A WARNING TO ALL ANTI-AXL LIARS: COME CORRECT WITH THE FACTS OR FIND ANOTHER BOARD TO POST ON.

MSL, you're clutching now. When Axl communicates through spokespeople, that is not him communicating? I never said material that Slash had on 5 O'clock wasn't meant for the new GNR. What I'm saying is, if Axl would have worked with him everyone song on 5 O Clock would not have ended up on the new GNR album. Anyway, you know I'm right. I backed up what I said. You can try and play with words, but it is easily seen through.

And by the way, Soul Monster couldn't catch a cold.

I don't spin shit anyway.

Gnr would have still self destructed by now, even if Slash hadn't left in the mid 90's. It was gonna happen sooner or later. But if he hadn't left, if they had somehow found a way to work out their differences, then we'd probably have a post-UYI album with awesome material. Maybe the songs on it would be even better than the UYI hits. Who knows? It's a shame, really. Because we all know the amazing amount of talent the old lineup had.

I think Slash should not have been so critical of Axl's ballads and synths and keyboards. I love the UYI albums, with all the sound effects and added stuff. As many of you have said, This I love or Sorry or Better or Street of Dreams with the old lineup would've sounded 100000 times better. Those songs are great, but with a Slash solo or with the touch of the old band, they would've been on a whole different level.

And Axl should not have tried to get full control of the band. I am sure Duff and Slash were willing to work with him till the very last second.

But this is all history now. It's sad a reunion will never happen.

Good post.

Edited July 6, 2012 by Peter Shneck

[Peter Shneck]

Peter -

No, you are clutching and I think it's fucking hilarious that you posted all of those articles as if I had no idea others had claimed his twitter had been hacked. Axl never said shit. He usually doesn't say shit. I doubt he gives a fuck what you or I think about anything.

It's been well documented that Axl wanted to work on a few 5OCLOCK songs, but was told it was the whole thing or nothing.

You haven't backed up ANYTHING. The only person trying to play with words is YOU. Switching "Axl claimed" to "Axl communicated through spokespeople."

You're right, you don't spin anything. You try, but fail so miserably that it doesn't qualify as spinning.

Celebrities usually communicate through spokespeople. A Shocking revelation, I know.

Especially, Mr. Recluse, himself.

Edited July 6, 2012 by Peter Shneck

[DirtyDeeds]

I guess the only way to settle this now is Peter vs. MSL in a wrestling match to the death.

[Peter Shneck]

I guess the only way to settle this now is Peter vs. MSL in a wrestling match to the death.

I don't want to be eaten, or have sizeable sweaty man boobs rubbed up against me.

[The_Universal_Sigh]

Peter -

No, you are clutching and I think it's fucking hilarious that you posted all of those articles as if I had no idea others had claimed his twitter had been hacked. Axl never said shit. He usually doesn't say shit. I doubt he gives a fuck what you or I think about anything.

It's been well documented that Axl wanted to work on a few 5OCLOCK songs, but was told it was the whole thing or nothing.

You haven't backed up ANYTHING. The only person trying to play with words is YOU. Switching "Axl claimed" to "Axl communicated through spokespeople."

You're right, you don't spin anything. You try, but fail so miserably that it doesn't qualify as spinning.

Celebrities usually communicate through spokespeople. A Shocking revelation, I know.

Especially, Mr. Recluse, himself.

I really wish I couldn't see the old grumpy wrestler's posts when people reply to them. What a you know what! He's actually arguing that you're wrong for saying "Axl communicated" instead of "Axl's people communicated for him and he never retracted the statement nor did they" like that's somehow point destroyingly different?

Jesus H man.

[Peter Shneck]

Peter -

No, you are clutching and I think it's fucking hilarious that you posted all of those articles as if I had no idea others had claimed his twitter had been hacked. Axl never said shit. He usually doesn't say shit. I doubt he gives a fuck what you or I think about anything.

It's been well documented that Axl wanted to work on a few 5OCLOCK songs, but was told it was the whole thing or nothing.

You haven't backed up ANYTHING. The only person trying to play with words is YOU. Switching "Axl claimed" to "Axl communicated through spokespeople."

You're right, you don't spin anything. You try, but fail so miserably that it doesn't qualify as spinning.

Celebrities usually communicate through spokespeople. A Shocking revelation, I know.

Especially, Mr. Recluse, himself.

I really wish I couldn't see the old grumpy wrestler's posts when people reply to them. What a you know what! He's actually arguing that you're wrong for saying "Axl communicated" instead of "Axl's people communicated for him and he never retracted the statement nor did they" like that's somehow point destroyingly different?

Jesus H man.

LOL, Vintage MSL.

[SoulMonster]

And by the way, Soul Monster couldn't catch a cold.

Not only do I have a great immune system but I also corrected you when you claimed that Axl only recently have taken responsibility for the late starts. I win. And win.

[Peter Shneck]

And by the way, Soul Monster couldn't catch a cold.

Not only do I have a great immune system but I also corrected you when you claimed that Axl only recently have taken responsibility for the late starts. I win. And win.

You win the prize pal, that's for sure. Infact, I have footage of it:

Soul Monster collecting his prize from MSL, after "winning" an argument-

[volcano62]

We would have 9-10 albums of GnR music to enjoy.

All that would be released after UYI would be mediore and genreric crap...no thanks.

Actually Axl would never let that happen....

I disagree with Sunny. Right now they would be touring casinos.

+1

Edited July 6, 2012 by volcano62

[SoulMonster]

And by the way, Soul Monster couldn't catch a cold.

Not only do I have a great immune system but I also corrected you when you claimed that Axl only recently have taken responsibility for the late starts. I win. And win.

You win the prize pal, that's for sure. Infact, I have footage of it:

Soul Monster collecting his prize from MSL, after "winning" an argument-

Why did you post a picture of a guy with Down syndrome? Do you often tactlessly lunge out after having been proven wrong? One would think you would be accustomed to it by now.

[Peter Shneck]

And by the way, Soul Monster couldn't catch a cold.

Not only do I have a great immune system but I also corrected you when you claimed that Axl only recently have taken responsibility for the late starts. I win. And win.

You win the prize pal, that's for sure. Infact, I have footage of it:

Soul Monster collecting his prize from MSL, after "winning" an argument-

Why did you post a picture of a guy with Down syndrome? Do you often tactlessly lunge out after having been proven wrong? One would think you would be accustomed to it by now.

Considering I wasn't proven wrong and had another forum member agree how ridiculous MSL's argument was, I don't see how your comment applies.

MSL has run off, shouldn't you do the same. I mean, I have out debated a self confessed genius. What chance do you have?

Edited July 6, 2012 by Peter Shneck

[volcano62]

And by the way, Soul Monster couldn't catch a cold.

Not only do I have a great immune system but I also corrected you when you claimed that Axl only recently have taken responsibility for the late starts. I win. And win.

You win the prize pal, that's for sure. Infact, I have footage of it:

Soul Monster collecting his prize from MSL, after "winning" an argument-

Why did you post a picture of a guy with Down syndrome? Do you often tactlessly lunge out after having been proven wrong? One would think you would be accustomed to it by now.

This is what happens when "they" have no more arguments and are pushed into a corner. I don't have to explain who "they" are.