The James Bond Thread: RIP Robbie Coltrane

[Georgy Zhukov]

I like so many of the openings it's hard to pick a favorite. It's easier to pick the worst - Diamonds Are Forever. Some of the most atrocious editing in any Bond film. The horribly dubbed "Cairo!" and the bad cutting. Very rushed, and I swear they slightly sped up Connery's "Bond, James Bond" because his voice sounds higher pitched compared to the next line he says. There's a UK trailer for the movie with what appears to be the same take but with a more natural sounding Connery. Awful opening for a very weak Bond film.

Back to Skyfall, something I'd like to discuss. There is a theory that there is indeed a reference to every prior Bond movie in it. How many can we come up with? I've got:

Goldfinger - the Aston Martin

For Your Eyes Only - "Have these analyzed. For her eyes only."

Casino Royale - "Stop touching your ear."

Live And Let Die - The Komodo dragon scene. I think this one is a stretch but a lot of people agree on it.

I'm sure there's more that I haven't caught yet, but I don't think there's 22 hidden references.

I think the radio gadget was also a bit of a homage to the homing device in Goldfinger. Then the office at the end was naturally the one from the Connery/Moore films, so not a film in particular but definitely a homage to that era. I guess one could argue GoldenEye in that the villain was a past agent, but that might be more of a coincidence than something that was intentional. Octopussy had the fight atop a train, and Tomorrow Never Dies had a motorcycle chase.

Moneypenny is black, and Bond had sex with a few black chicks in Live and Let Die and one in A View to a Kill.

[Powerage5]

I like so many of the openings it's hard to pick a favorite. It's easier to pick the worst - Diamonds Are Forever. Some of the most atrocious editing in any Bond film. The horribly dubbed "Cairo!" and the bad cutting. Very rushed, and I swear they slightly sped up Connery's "Bond, James Bond" because his voice sounds higher pitched compared to the next line he says. There's a UK trailer for the movie with what appears to be the same take but with a more natural sounding Connery. Awful opening for a very weak Bond film.

Back to Skyfall, something I'd like to discuss. There is a theory that there is indeed a reference to every prior Bond movie in it. How many can we come up with? I've got:

Goldfinger - the Aston Martin

For Your Eyes Only - "Have these analyzed. For her eyes only."

Casino Royale - "Stop touching your ear."

Live And Let Die - The Komodo dragon scene. I think this one is a stretch but a lot of people agree on it.

I'm sure there's more that I haven't caught yet, but I don't think there's 22 hidden references.

I think the radio gadget was also a bit of a homage to the homing device in Goldfinger. Then the office at the end was naturally the one from the Connery/Moore films, so not a film in particular but definitely a homage to that era. I guess one could argue GoldenEye in that the villain was a past agent, but that might be more of a coincidence than something that was intentional. Octopussy had the fight atop a train, and Tomorrow Never Dies had a motorcycle chase.

Moneypenny is black, and Bond had sex with a few black chicks in Live and Let Die and one in A View to a Kill.

But we don't know that Bond and Moneypenny had sex

[Georgy Zhukov]

I like so many of the openings it's hard to pick a favorite. It's easier to pick the worst - Diamonds Are Forever. Some of the most atrocious editing in any Bond film. The horribly dubbed "Cairo!" and the bad cutting. Very rushed, and I swear they slightly sped up Connery's "Bond, James Bond" because his voice sounds higher pitched compared to the next line he says. There's a UK trailer for the movie with what appears to be the same take but with a more natural sounding Connery. Awful opening for a very weak Bond film.

Back to Skyfall, something I'd like to discuss. There is a theory that there is indeed a reference to every prior Bond movie in it. How many can we come up with? I've got:

Goldfinger - the Aston Martin

For Your Eyes Only - "Have these analyzed. For her eyes only."

Casino Royale - "Stop touching your ear."

Live And Let Die - The Komodo dragon scene. I think this one is a stretch but a lot of people agree on it.

I'm sure there's more that I haven't caught yet, but I don't think there's 22 hidden references.

I think the radio gadget was also a bit of a homage to the homing device in Goldfinger. Then the office at the end was naturally the one from the Connery/Moore films, so not a film in particular but definitely a homage to that era. I guess one could argue GoldenEye in that the villain was a past agent, but that might be more of a coincidence than something that was intentional. Octopussy had the fight atop a train, and Tomorrow Never Dies had a motorcycle chase.

Moneypenny is black, and Bond had sex with a few black chicks in Live and Let Die and one in A View to a Kill.

But we don't know that Bond and Moneypenny had sex

I don't think they've had.

The pistol holsted in the Severine's thigh is a refference to Cary Lowell's character in Licence to Kill

I heard complaints about the showdown at Skyfall. I am not sure why, I thought it was a spectacular sequence

Edited November 20, 2012 by Georgy Zhukov

[Crazyman]

I like so many of the openings it's hard to pick a favorite. It's easier to pick the worst - Diamonds Are Forever. Some of the most atrocious editing in any Bond film. The horribly dubbed "Cairo!" and the bad cutting. Very rushed, and I swear they slightly sped up Connery's "Bond, James Bond" because his voice sounds higher pitched compared to the next line he says. There's a UK trailer for the movie with what appears to be the same take but with a more natural sounding Connery. Awful opening for a very weak Bond film.

Back to Skyfall, something I'd like to discuss. There is a theory that there is indeed a reference to every prior Bond movie in it. How many can we come up with? I've got:

Goldfinger - the Aston Martin

For Your Eyes Only - "Have these analyzed. For her eyes only."

Casino Royale - "Stop touching your ear."

Live And Let Die - The Komodo dragon scene. I think this one is a stretch but a lot of people agree on it.

I'm sure there's more that I haven't caught yet, but I don't think there's 22 hidden references.

I think the radio gadget was also a bit of a homage to the homing device in Goldfinger. Then the office at the end was naturally the one from the Connery/Moore films, so not a film in particular but definitely a homage to that era. I guess one could argue GoldenEye in that the villain was a past agent, but that might be more of a coincidence than something that was intentional. Octopussy had the fight atop a train, and Tomorrow Never Dies had a motorcycle chase.

Moneypenny is black, and Bond had sex with a few black chicks in Live and Let Die and one in A View to a Kill.

But we don't know that Bond and Moneypenny had sex

I don't think they've had.

The pistol holsted in the Severine's thigh is a refference to Cary Lowell's character in Licence to Kill

I heard complaints about the showdown at Skyfall. I am not sure why, I thought it was a spectacular sequence

I think it's because people are comparing it Home Alone

Also I like how a good portion of this thread is under the spoiler tag

[Georgy Zhukov]

It is Home Alone done right!

I was thinking the same thing.

[Crazyman]

Are you saying Home Alone was done wrong?!

I bet everyone who hasn't seen the movie is so jealous of us right now

[Powerage5]

I like so many of the openings it's hard to pick a favorite. It's easier to pick the worst - Diamonds Are Forever. Some of the most atrocious editing in any Bond film. The horribly dubbed "Cairo!" and the bad cutting. Very rushed, and I swear they slightly sped up Connery's "Bond, James Bond" because his voice sounds higher pitched compared to the next line he says. There's a UK trailer for the movie with what appears to be the same take but with a more natural sounding Connery. Awful opening for a very weak Bond film.

Back to Skyfall, something I'd like to discuss. There is a theory that there is indeed a reference to every prior Bond movie in it. How many can we come up with? I've got:

Goldfinger - the Aston Martin

For Your Eyes Only - "Have these analyzed. For her eyes only."

Casino Royale - "Stop touching your ear."

Live And Let Die - The Komodo dragon scene. I think this one is a stretch but a lot of people agree on it.

I'm sure there's more that I haven't caught yet, but I don't think there's 22 hidden references.

I think the radio gadget was also a bit of a homage to the homing device in Goldfinger. Then the office at the end was naturally the one from the Connery/Moore films, so not a film in particular but definitely a homage to that era. I guess one could argue GoldenEye in that the villain was a past agent, but that might be more of a coincidence than something that was intentional. Octopussy had the fight atop a train, and Tomorrow Never Dies had a motorcycle chase.

Moneypenny is black, and Bond had sex with a few black chicks in Live and Let Die and one in A View to a Kill.

But we don't know that Bond and Moneypenny had sex

I don't think they've had.

The pistol holsted in the Severine's thigh is a refference to Cary Lowell's character in Licence to Kill

I heard complaints about the showdown at Skyfall. I am not sure why, I thought it was a spectacular sequence

I love the Skyfall part of the movie, one of the best Bond finales ever. It seems that the third act of the film is the most common complaint

Want me to just add spoiler to the thread title so we can stop using the spoiler tags?

[Georgy Zhukov]

But this is also a James Bond discussion.

[Powerage5]

Fair enough

[Crazyman]

I think that third act is both the most praised as well as the most criticized part of the movie.

Spoilers be damned.

[Georgy Zhukov]

What I love is the lack of CGI. That is what really fucked DAD all to hell.

[Powerage5]

I think that third act is both the most praised as well as the most criticized part of the movie.

Spoilers be damned.

That's really not much of a spoiler

What I love is the lack of CGI. That is what really fucked DAD all to hell.

This. The Craig films are nearly totally devoid of CGI, and it looks glorious.

[Georgy Zhukov]

This has been confirmed like two weeks ago but it seems Daniel Craig is going to do at least two more films. The next one should be out by 2014, I don't think MGM has to worry about money this time. I would love for Sam Mendes to return, he is definitely one of the better Bond directors.

Shit Craig will be nearly 50 by the time he gets to Bond 25. If he looks good maybe he will beat Roger Moore's record.

[Powerage5]

This has been confirmed like two weeks ago but it seems Daniel Craig is going to do at least two more films. The next one should be out by 2014, I don't think MGM has to worry about money this time. I would love for Sam Mendes to return, he is definitely one of the better Bond directors.

Shit Craig will be nearly 50 by the time he gets to Bond 25. If he looks good maybe he will beat Roger Moore's record.

This is my absolute dream with Bond; to see Craig take the record for most films. Especially if they all stay up to this par.

[Georgy Zhukov]

Not only for the most films, but the most good films.

People can say what they want about Quantum of Solace, the opera house shootout was awesome.

Skyfall is at $669 million worldwide.

[Powerage5]

I think people are too quick to shit on QOS. Sure, it's not one of the best of the series, but it's not awful either. At the very least Craig is great in it.

[Georgy Zhukov]

I just felt it was silly he didn't get to bang Camille. Apparently the actress didn't want to do it. Should have fired her ass but Marc Forester is a pussy.

[Powerage5]

At least he banged Fields

[Georgy Zhukov]

Hey, this asshole was telling me how sexist Skyfall is

Eve being a terrible field agent, Severine fucking Bond after a brief conversation and dies. M being this empowering woman and Bond calling her a bitch. I guess he either never seen a Bond film or didn't bother noticing that it was mostly Bond who said she as terrible but only because she fucking shot him! And Bond says M is a bitch for ordering Eve to take the shot. Plus Severine was fucked anyway

Also

According to IMDB, Mallory called M by her name, Eleanor

Edited November 21, 2012 by Georgy Zhukov

[James Bond]

Opera scene was the best part of Quantum of Solace. That and the Mr. White interrogation. Add me to the "Even though he didn't bang Camille but the lucky bastard got to bang Fields" club.

I guess I didn't plan this thread too well as far as spoilers go. It probably doesn't really matter since it's mostly just the same people replying to the thread anyways.

As far as Craig sticking around, I'm all for it. I don't even care how much he ages as long as he still looks fit and believable and if it's at least worked into the story. Craig has said he'll keep doing them as long as quality remains the top priority (sure, he's signed for two more for now but that can easily change - Roger had signed for four and the rest of his movies were negotiated as one-film deals each time). Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson are all for it. Plus, Daniel is responsible for getting Sam Mendes and Javier Bardem, as well as helping with the on-set rewrites of Quantum of Solace. He's got quite a bit of creative control which shows they all have a great working relationship. I hope Mendes will do at least the next one and maybe even one after that. It'd be nice to have a consistent Bond director again, and Skyfall shows that Mendes knows what he's doing.

Also, I thought of another past Bond reference in Skyfall:

His "death" in the pre-title echoes You Only Live Twice, so I guess we can add that to the list.

[Georgy Zhukov]

Craig really needs to stack up his Bond conquest. Did he bang Solange or did he just made out with her and ditch her?

Wasn't Moonraker suppose to be Moore's last film but they got him to do For Your Eyes Only. I know the only reason he did Octopussy because EON didn't want to get crushed by Connery's unofficial return in Never Say Never Again. Then A View to a Kill was like a "Fuck it, why not?" Moore actually was horrified by how violent the film was. Say what you want about Moore but he saved the series twice. First after Lazenby turned down a seven film deal and Connery turning down $5 million (about $20 million today) to return. He saved it again in Octopussy when the film made a little more Never Say Never Again.

I never knew he had such creative control, but didn't he recommend Marc Forster too? It's weird because usually well known directors don't get to direct Bond films but with Cubby dead, they can hire whoever they want. I feel Cubby is behind a lot of questionable decisions. Then again, the post Cubby years had that guy who directed DAD.

Did you get my Licence to Kill refference?

[Crazyman]

QoS could've been almost as good as Casino Royale if the direction and editing wasn't fucking terrible. That opera scene could've been "the" classic Bond moment for Craig, just because of how beautifully it could've been shot (it's still the best scene of that movie), but they just had to fuck it up. All of that quick editing really screwed the movie up.

Also, Dominic Greene (sp?) seemed like a totally pussy.

Overall I'd say it's an average Bond film. People write it off too quickly, but it still wasn't that great of a film, especially after CR.

[nickzark]

it was very good.a must see movie

[James Bond]

Agreed on what you said Crazyman. Opera scene was easily the best in the movie and a lot of the action was ruined by the quick editing and shaky cam. Greene was probably one of the weakest villains in the franchise. Not a threat at all because you knew Craig was going to kick his ass. Made their fight a bit of a non-event because Greene was hardly a physical threat.

Craig really needs to stack up his Bond conquest. Did he bang Solange or did he just made out with her and ditch her?

Wasn't Moonraker suppose to be Moore's last film but they got him to do For Your Eyes Only. I know the only reason he did Octopussy because EON didn't want to get crushed by Connery's unofficial return in Never Say Never Again. Then A View to a Kill was like a "Fuck it, why not?" Moore actually was horrified by how violent the film was. Say what you want about Moore but he saved the series twice. First after Lazenby turned down a seven film deal and Connery turning down $5 million (about $20 million today) to return. He saved it again in Octopussy when the film made a little more Never Say Never Again.

I never knew he had such creative control, but didn't he recommend Marc Forster too? It's weird because usually well known directors don't get to direct Bond films but with Cubby dead, they can hire whoever they want. I feel Cubby is behind a lot of questionable decisions. Then again, the post Cubby years had that guy who directed DAD.

Did you get my Licence to Kill refference?

They just made out. I'm sure he would have banged her but he had to take off to Miami (at least he was kind enough to order her room service before he left ).

Correct on Moore. His contract was like Pierce - three films with an option for a fourth. Moonraker was technically his last. Then they signed him for For Your Eyes Only, with Roger claiming that one would be his last. Then of course, the Connery business with Never Say Never Again led to them asking Roger to Octopussy and so on. All one picture deals following Moonraker.

I can't remember if Craig got Forster involved or not, but I know they both worked on the script together during filming. It's hard to imagine that the script was actually worse before they refined it. It's not all bad though. There's still some pretty good dialogue and dark humor in there.

What was the reference?

[Georgy Zhukov]

What the hell made Moore do A View to a Kill?

Why was the script worse? Paul Haggis co-wrote it after all. Marc Forster wanted to make the film shorter and add lots of fast cut action scenes

Gun hidden under dress. In a thigh holster.