Guns n Roses kicking ass & taking names at its Vegas residency: Billboard boxscore

[saber_]

I'd say this is fairly impressive. Would you agree?

http://www.billboard...entboxscore.jsp

edit: because it keeps changing, i removed the screencap.

Edited November 14, 2012 by brainsaber

[volcano62]

Cool

[maynard]

good for them.

[Russel Nash]

I'd say this is fairly impressive. Would you agree?

http://www.billboard...entboxscore.jsp

[jimb0]

Too bad we don't know how much money it costs to put on the show. Are they gonna break even?

[saber_]

Too bad we don't know how much money it costs to put on the show. Are they gonna break even?

Yes but they're not travelling. Since it's a residency, I'd imagine that mitigates a lot of the cost. C'mon man, over 700 grand for 3 shows. They're gonna break even methinks.

No offense, but you people need to make up your mind. One minute it's a "cash grab" and then the next minute it's "are they gonna break even?" I guess Axl just can't win, can he? :eyeroll:

[classicrawker]

I would be surprised if Axl was not given a guaranteed payday for the shows in advance so it may not matter how many tickets the shows sold but I still can't believe they did not sell out those shows in Vegas at such a small venue especially with all publicity. That is a head scratcher.........

[Apollo]

I would be surprised if Axl was not given a guaranteed payday for the shows in advance so it may not matter how many tickets the shows sold but I still can't believe they did not sell out those shows in Vegas at such a small venue especially with all publicity. That is a head scratcher.........

I'm very surprised at those numbers. Only the complete die-hard Axl fans would somehow twist them to imply that numbers-wise it is a success. Less than 2,800 people per show? Wow.

Not saying that the band isn't putting on a great show. From most reports they are. But in terms of ticket sales......wow. Has to be dissapointing for everybody who has a financial interest in this residency.

[Kill Devil Hill]

When it comes to tour numbers, the number of tickets sold always plays second fiddle to the gross, so seeing $775k after three shows is definitely impressive. I didn't expect it that high. Nice!

[ARX77]

I would be surprised if Axl was not given a guaranteed payday for the shows in advance so it may not matter how many tickets the shows sold but I still can't believe they did not sell out those shows in Vegas at such a small venue especially with all publicity. That is a head scratcher.........

I'm very surprised at those numbers. Only the complete die-hard Axl fans would somehow twist them to imply that numbers-wise it is a success. Less than 2,800 people per show? Wow.

Not saying that the band isn't putting on a great show. From most reports they are. But in terms of ticket sales......wow. Has to be dissapointing for everybody who has a financial interest in this residency.

If you average the 3 shows it only comes to 484 tickets not sold per show. They sold 8387 out of 9839 which equals 1452 tix unsold over 3 shows. Not too bad if you ask me thats 85% capacity. Pretty good start and as long as sales stay like this, the residency will be a success for all.

[gnrkoncerti]

great numbers,and great sucess for gnr...don't forget that 30000 people will see guns and that is great...also ticket prices are very high....lot of people here before 2 weeks were talking that vegass will be desaster...they are wrong

[bacardimayne]

$180? Christ, when I saw them 2 years ago GA was $120.

[classicrawker]

I m not saying it is a bad turnout just that I am surprised they did not sell out any of the shows considering how small the venue is and it is Vegas after all so ticket prices should not be an issue.....I was thinking sellouts would have been a slam dunk..........

[gnrkoncerti]

I m not saying it is a bad turnout just that I am surprised they did not sell out any of the shows considering how small the venue is and it is Vegas after all so ticket prices should not be an issue.....I was thinking sellouts would have been a slam dunk..........

they didn't sellou because they will play 12 shows,and probably they will sell aabout 30000 tickeys...that is success

[Kill Devil Hill]

Before this forum, I've never heard of someone counting how many seats were sold and qualifying it as a success that way. It is always about the gross. Only on MyGNR.

[classicrawker]

I m not saying it is a bad turnout just that I am surprised they did not sell out any of the shows considering how small the venue is and it is Vegas after all so ticket prices should not be an issue.....I was thinking sellouts would have been a slam dunk..........

they didn't sellou because they will play 12 shows,and probably they will sell aabout 30000 tickeys...that is success

And I never said it was a failure only that I am surprised they did not sell out such a small venue in Vegas..I actually thought all the shows would sell out easily...........

[Apollo]

Before this forum, I've never heard of someone counting how many seats were sold and qualifying it as a success that way. It is always about the gross. Only on MyGNR.

Ha - only on this forum have I seen people change their opinion on ticket sales - depending on whether or not it benefited GnR or not! Or unless it makes Slash look bad.

And......you find people talking about ticket sales strange, but see no fault in using the percentage of tickets sold as a baramator? So selling 90 tickets in a 100 seat joint would be more impressive than selling 86% of tickets in a 25,000 seat arena?

I'm not disputing your claim that gross is important. But without knowing the costs involved, how much validity can you give ANY gross number? How much is the band being paid, how much does the venue have to pay out (salaries, security, insurance, promotion, etc). If it cost 249,000 to put on the show and it grosses 248,000.....is that a success?

You really are more concerned with how much gross is taken in as opposed to how many people attended the show? So when they played the wedding, for a million dollar profit...was that the most succesful show in GnR history? They grossed 1 million dollars for one show........

To be honest, I don't care how many people showed up or how much any show grossed. I just hope everybody there had a great time.

I think it is funny how people always have excuses for Axl now - and twist the numbers/situation around to make him look good - no matter what. 2,800 a night is NOT good, and we don't know how good a 250,000 gross is - without knowing the costs of the show.

Edited November 12, 2012 by Groghan

[Roush]

It's whatever. Axl has probably the most ant-climatic career I have ever seen. The hype in the early '00s for Chinese was crazy. The mysterious, cryptic nature of GN'R's path has finally come to this: Vegas washout syndrome. Regardless, I hope whoever is going has fun. I'm checking out of this section.

[downzy]

Those are impressive numbers indeed. It will be interesting to see the numbers going forward. It's never a great idea to base the success of such a series of shows on attendance, especially in Vegas, where tickets could be given away for various reasons. The gross will determine the success or failure of the residency.

As I just said, I'm curious to see how the remaining week will do. I would think that most people in Vegas who wanted to see GNR have already done so, which means they'll have to rely heavily on tourists to fill the venue. If sales start to soften look for discounting. But so far so good. While Axl likely received an upfront fee (though I'll bet he was given sales incentives, hence the publicity push prior to the residency), it seems as though the investment by the promoters is paying off.

[Kill Devil Hill]

Before this forum, I've never heard of someone counting how many seats were sold and qualifying it as a success that way. It is always about the gross. Only on MyGNR.

Ha - only on this forum have I seen people change their opinion on ticket sales - depending on whether or not it benefited GnR or not! Or unless it makes Slash look bad.

And......you find people talking about ticket sales strange, but see no fault in using the percentage of tickets sold as a baramator? So selling 90 tickets in a 100 seat joint would be more impressive than selling 86% of tickets in a 25,000 seat arena?

I'm not disputing your claim that gross is important. But without knowing the costs involved, how much validity can you give ANY gross number? How much is the band being paid, how much does the venue have to pay out (salaries, security, insurance, promotion, etc). If it cost 249,000 to put on the show and it grosses 248,000.....is that a success?

You really are more concerned with how much gross is taken in as opposed to how many people attended the show? So when they played the wedding, for a million dollar profit...was that the most succesful show in GnR history? They grossed 1 million dollars for one show........

To be honest, I don't care how many people showed up or how much any show grossed. I just hope everybody there had a great time.

I think it is funny how people always have excuses for Axl now - and twist the numbers/situation around to make him look good - no matter what. 2,800 a night is NOT good, and we don't know how good a 250,000 gross is - without knowing the costs of the show.

Gross has nothing to do with the number of individually successful shows. It has to do with the success of a tour. But if you're gonna use that as an example, I'd say if GN'R is in demand enough to make it $1 million to play at a wedding, they're more relevant than we think. Think about that. If someone is willing to pay $1 million to get 'em to play, then they're not THAT irrelevant, are they?

$1 million's a pretty low number for weddings, though.

But seriously, the only time people talk about number of seats sold is to brag about selling out a venue -- which leads to a higher gross number. Everything depends on the gross. Talk to any Billboard follower. I'm not saying it's invalid to discuss the number of people who attended. But calling something unsuccessful based on the number of attendees is silly when the gross number is that big.

[batman007]

I m not saying it is a bad turnout just that I am surprised they did not sell out any of the shows considering how small the venue is and it is Vegas after all so ticket prices should not be an issue.....I was thinking sellouts would have been a slam dunk..........

they didn't sellou because they will play 12 shows,and probably they will sell aabout 30000 tickeys...that is success

That is right! I find it silly that people (haters) can't believe Guns cannot sellout the joint. News flash! They have soldout this venue before! I'm sure if they were only playing a show or two, it would of soldout! Playing 12 shows is a lot, and it gives people lots of dates to choose from. If at the end, the average is 3,000 that would be great! I have had friends who attend concerts at this venue that only have an attendence of a few hundred. I was talking to the manager at the box office, and was very impressed with the sales! I will take his word over people who don't know shit!

[dalsh327]

That's just ticket sales for 3 shows. Axl and the band are getting a bunch of perks from the casino and isn't including band merch. 250K for a band that doesn't have new music out is really good, and it's still one of the cheaper deals compared to other shows in LV.

[JayGatz]

It's whatever. Axl has probably the most ant-climatic career I have ever seen. The hype in the early '00s for Chinese was crazy. The mysterious, cryptic nature of GN'R's path has finally come to this: Vegas washout syndrome. Regardless, I hope whoever is going has fun.

Oh and BTW looking at Gross to gauge whether anything is successful or not successful is foolish. Net is what matters.

Edited November 12, 2012 by JayGatz

[Gunnerfan_rus]

And guys, when you're talking about attendance of the show, don't forget that there are not only tickets, that were sold, but there are also some free-entrance tickets for friends of band/organisators/promoters, etc. For example I was at Garbage's gig last Friday and there were about 300-400 people who entered for free, while overall amount of people was about 3,500-4,000!

So, maybe billboard's numbers are without this free-entrance tickets.

Edited November 12, 2012 by Gunnerfan_rus

[wasted]

how much does it cost to put on a show?