DR DOOM Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Hey i dont have a position in this debate one way or another, i couldnt give a shit, just presenting the other side.I know you have an AK-47 under your bed Len, don't think I buy that punk rock/booze/weed schtick for one second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Excuse me, Semtex if you dont mind, we're advanced these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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maynard Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 i don't want to live in this planet anymore, seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I find it funny Just a bunch of weenies all getting their knickers in a knot, its just Mary Whitehouse stuff really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I think the problem with the tweet is that it doesn't include the context. I remember watching the episode where Colbert is making fun on Dan Snyder, and in that context the joke makes sense and shouldn't be interpreted as racist. It's meant to be making fun of people who make such ridiculous comments. But unless you habitually watch the Colbert Report, it's not something you're going to pick up and I get why it was interpreted as being racist. It would have helped greatly had they only included a line at the beginning that alluded to Dan Snyder.I'm a huge Colbert fan, but I have to acknowledge that they fucked up with this one. It's not that there is malicious intent, but that the execution was not done properly. Satire only works if put into its proper context, and the tweet excludes such context for those who might have missed that particular episode. And I think it's insane that people would hold Colbert himself responsible, as if he's in charge of the show's twitter feed. Probably just a fuck-up by an intern who made the assumption that everyone would get the gist of the joke without including the context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 No. You can see it straight away. This is like saying if one were a comedian they would have to tell the audience to laugh in order to recognise that it's a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 But even without the context of that specific joke, isn't obvious it's satire from the fact that it's The Colbert Report, a satirical news show? Everybody knows when he makes right-wing Glenn Beck-ish comments it's an obvious pisstake, and this is just an extension of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) I don't see it like that at all. The analogy that it's like telling the audience when to laugh doesn't work. It's more like telling a joke but not including the setup, just the punchline. There's nothing wrong or inherently racist with the joke, but if you don't include the setup, it doesn't make much sense. Sure, Colbert is a satirical comedy program, but in my opinion, you still have to perform satire properly. It was executed well on the show, when the comment made by Colbert was an obvious dig to Dan Snyder (because he introduced the topic by talking about Snyder). But if the tweet doesn't include the reference, how is anyone to know who is being targeted? And without the context, the tweet comes off as racist. People who were offended probably should have realized that there was more to it, that since the Colbert Report is a satirical based show, that the comment is meant to be making fun of something or someone and not necessarily Asian Americans. So I think they're criticism is misplaced, but I do think whoever handles the twitter feed should understand how satire works. All that was needed was a few words at the beginning, like "And thanks to Dan Snyder" or "Dan Snyder's heroic efforts to fight racism have led me to..." and it would have worked. But as it was published, it failed the basic constructs of satirical humour. Edited March 28, 2014 by downzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 People call people that protest this shit whiney, well to me the other side are just as whiney. If you wanna do biting near to the bone type satire you're gonna get these responses from some quarters, thats the nature of what it is. People just do not like to be put on blast...and y'know, you should be careful about throwing around terms like whiney cuz there are other reactions y'know, I mean, do you want a physical one? You should be happy when it's civilized like that, you see how certain sections of of the muslim community react when you poke at em like that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I bet the majority of people offended by this aren't even Asian. Just do gooder cunts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Wouldnt suprise me. But then again it begs the question thats why do you have to be of the race being aimed at to find racism offensive?Whole things fuckin stupid if you ask me but i'll always entertain peoples sensitivities to some degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forsaken Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Man, people are way too sensitive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronaldo9 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) Reading through the #CancelColbert tweets on Twitter, it seems like 95% are people just saying, "#CancelColbert is still trending?" Only see a handful of tweets that are actually angry at Colbert. The hashtag was apparently created by Suey Park, a freelance writer and Asian-American activist. Honestly, I'm not sure I understand most of her tweets. I mean, some I get, but then she rants about how "satire is an excuse for racism," she doesn't "obey blood logic(?)" because she "[doesn't] answer to [Asian men]" who say she's being "sensational, irrational, and emotional," discussing who is and isn't an "ally" to "us" (I'm assuming "us" means Asian-Americans, but could be Asian-American women, as she appears to make a lot of feminist tweets as well), etc. She apparently did not see the segment on the show, considering she didn't start this until the night after the show aired, but she appears to be enjoying the attention she's getting. I'm curious how the Native American advocates feel though, about all of the attention shifting from the satire on the Redskins' new organization to the discussion on how a clearly satirical joke from an obviously satirical character is racist. (Not giving an opinion on the Redskins' organization in that sentence, just wondering out loud how that advocacy group feels about being overshadowed by this.) Edited March 28, 2014 by ronaldo9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Reading through the #CancelColbert tweets on Twitter, it seems like 95% are people just saying, "#CancelColbert is still trending?" Only see a handful of tweets that are actually angry at Colbert. The hashtag was apparently created by Suey Park, a freelance writer and Asian-American activist. Honestly, I'm not sure I understand most of her tweets. I mean, some I get, but then she rants about how "satire is an excuse for racism," she doesn't "obey blood logic(?)" because she "[doesn't] answer to [Asian men]" who say she's being "sensational, irrational, and emotional," discussing who is and isn't an "ally" to "us" (I'm assuming "us" means Asian-Americans, but could be Asian-American women, as she appears to make a lot of feminist tweets as well), etc. She apparently did not see the segment on the show, considering she didn't start this until the night after the show aired, but she appears to be enjoying the attention she's getting. I'm curious how the Native American advocates feel though, about all of the attention shifting from the satire on the Redskins' new organization to the discussion on how a clearly satirical joke from an obviously satirical character is racist.A feminist? There's a fuckin surprise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 These people are so annoying.If you don't like Colbert or you find his humor offensive - then DONT watch his show. But to get so offended that you tried to get him cancelled? F you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash Diet Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) #CancelColbert is trending on Twitter in the US right now apparently. Thoughts? I think it's ridiculous. The joke was a bit distasteful but cancelling the Colbert Report over it? Fuck off. Sad thing is I can't see this blowing over.Hundreds of thousands people starve to death and people jumping on this...Yeah, hypocricy is the way of the living for the majority in this world Edited March 28, 2014 by Crash Diet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 They can't cancel Colbert, that and The Daily Show are the flagships of Comedy Central. Regardless, I don't see why he should come under fire so heavily. He's completely satirical, everyone knows he doesn't actually believe the shit he says. Someone probably just got butthurt over this.In my day, instead of Twitter we retaliate with flaming bags of dog shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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