Will UYI outtakes ever be released?

[Fin]

Would like to to have :

• UYI outtakes
• UYI instrumentals
• UYI instrumental outtakes
• CD outtakes
• CD instrumentals
• CD instrumental outtakes
• CD instrumentals, no keyboard
• Various bonus material

Two or three double albums with previously unreleased stuff. G'n'R is a very underrated band/enterprise in the rock n' roll world, and I think this type of stuff deserves to see the day of light.

[nambis]

I hope not, half of what ended up on UYI should've never been released.

[AtariLegend]

Didn't we already get UYI outakes/demos (Duff on "Dust N' Bones", alt. bass on 14 years ect). and various instrumentals, not counting the Q-Sound remasters along with some demo's of tracks that never made it years ago?

Not sure how much is left from UYI.

[Strange Broue]

Would like to to have :

• UYI outtakes
• UYI instrumentals
• UYI instrumental outtakes
• CD outtakes
• CD instrumentals
• CD instrumental outtakes
• CD instrumentals, no keyboard
• Various bonus material

Two or three double albums with previously unreleased stuff. G'n'R is a very underrated band/enterprise in the rock n' roll world, and I think this type of stuff deserves to see the day of light.

fyi: You can actually have this now, even the CD ones, because the multitracks were extracted from the Rock Band game and even versions without specific instruments are exist out there

I hope not, half of what ended up on UYI should've never been released.

yeah, jumping on the UYI hate train is sooo relevant now...

This thread is for die hards, imho

Die hards doesn't care which songs shouldn't be released 25 years ago, they want EVERYTHING

Edited December 16, 2015 by Strange Broue

[shotsfired cro]

you can hardly get released more than that has been released.

instrumenta and demos count as demos and they don't get released.

other than that, there sre like 3,4 songs.

[Fin]

I mean organised stuff. Not scattershots in so-so sound quality all over youtube. Slash has a point when he states that the music sounds "bigger" if it's not too produced (don't remember his exact words, but compare It's five o clock with UYI and we get the idea).

Civil war, Locomotive and a few other songs are really dynamic enough to work well in multiple different versions. Riad and Catcher are interesting songs on CD.

I hope not, half of what ended up on UYI should've never been released.

With outtakes I mean earlier version / instrumental versions of released songs. I'v never liked any of the few unreleased songs from the AFD/UYI era. But then again, why not release the shit out of it while at it.

Edited December 16, 2015 by Fin

[Słash]

I have a feeling Russ will say "Probably"

[Strange Broue]

I mean organised stuff. Not scattershots in so-so sound quality all over youtube. Slash has a point when he states that the music sounds "bigger" if it's not too produced (don't remember his exact words, but compare It's five o clock with UYI and we get the idea).

Civil war, Locomotive and a few other songs are really dynamic enough to work well in multiple different versions. Riad and Catcher are interesting songs on CD.

I hope not, half of what ended up on UYI should've never been released.

With outtakes I mean earlier version / instrumental versions of released songs. I'v never liked any of the few unreleased songs from the AFD/UYI era. But then again, why not release the shit out of it while at it.

well, it's Five o' clock. is generally an example of bad mastering and producing....

so your example is moot

But yeah, it would be nice if they do something like Led Zep do...

maybe it will happen with the classics

with CD? i don't think so...

Edited December 16, 2015 by Strange Broue

[ty99]

I'm not sure if it's related, but I'm pretty sure Slash mentioned, in his book, that he had stripped down mixes of some of the Illusion songs.

Less production, basically simple guitar, bass, drums mixes.

I would love to hear those.

[SlashElvisTCB]

I hope not, half of what ended up on UYI should've never been released.

A load ones mum should have swallowed.

[DieselDaisy]

Guns N' Roses are just about the only band (of a certain vintage) who have never once dipped into their archives, whether that be for remastered album bonus tracks or as part of a stand alone compilation/boxset. Just analyse GN'R's contemporaries: Crüe, Bon Jovi, Megadeth and Pearl Jam all have re-released their discography with bonus tracks at various points whereas Nirvana (With the Lights Out) opted for the boxset option. Metallica seem to be gearing up for a major archival re-release project.

[Mr. Dude]

Guns N' Roses are just about the only band (of a certain vintage) who have never once dipped into their archives, whether that be for remastered album bonus tracks or as part of a stand alone compilation/boxset. Just analyse GN'R's contemporaries: Crüe, Bon Jovi, Megadeth and Pearl Jam all have re-released their discography with bonus tracks at various points whereas Nirvana (With the Lights Out) opted for the boxset option. Metallica seem to be gearing up for a major archival re-release project.

Most of those bands have completely raped their catalogs. As a Pearl Jam and Nirvana fan I've got to say that it was pretty underwhelming too. I feel like they kind of undermined their own mystique. While some of Pearl Jam's best stuff was archival releases- like Lost Dogs its really left me with nothing to look forward to. Nirvana's deluxe reissue of In Utero was a complete ripoff. It offered nothing new aside from a few demos- mostly sans vocals. If anything it made me appreciate the album less. I'd rather have the CD remix than anything like that from GNR at this juncture. I do like all of Neil Young's archival stuff though. I hope there's some more Shocking Pinks stuff in there somewhere.

Edited December 17, 2015 by Mr. Dude

[DieselDaisy]

Well they can be exercises in barrel scraping, certainly, case in point the last Hendrix album and the recent Cobain record. We do however have many of the Guns demos unofficially which raises the question, does this stuff not deserve an official release with improved sound and linear notes? There are songs there such as Crash Diet as well as early versions of well known songs. I certainly believe a quality boxset could be put together, compromising this material.

I do not feel there is a great deal of stuff that has not leaked on bootlegs from the old band. Maybe some jams from 1994-96 (with Zakk Wylde?).

[Gibbo]

[Gibbo]

And so on

Edited December 17, 2015 by Gibbo 27

[Mr. Dude]

Well they can be exercises in barrel scraping, certainly, case in point the last Hendrix album and the recent Cobain record. We do however have many of the Guns demos unofficially which raises the question, does this stuff not deserve an official release with improved sound and linear notes? There are songs there such as Crash Diet as well as early versions of well known songs. I certainly believe a quality boxset could be put together, compromising this material.

I do not feel there is a great deal of stuff that has not leaked on bootlegs from the old band. Maybe some jams from 1994-96 (with Zakk Wylde?).

Yeah, I can see that. If they're already out there they may as well do it right.

The only thing that bothers me with Neil as it relates to archival releases is that he released some stuff independently shortly before releasing the exact same stuff as part of his 1st archival box set so I have multiple copies of things like Massey Hall and Fillmore. Fuck it though, its Neil Young. I even listen to Arc at least once a year.

[wasted]

I hope they don't do remasters or outtakes. It was what it was.

[Tom2112]

People really want that stuff? I mean some of it might be interesting if they are different arrangements, with different gtr parts etc. Overall, if there's things left off a record it's usually for a good reason!

Live releases from vault? Yep. Same goes for unreleased original material (worthy of release), yep! Anything else is a bit of a waste of money and effort to buy or for the band to release. The only people interested in CD or UYI instrumentals are super hardcore gnr fans... That's not big business.

[Apollo]

I just wish Axl would release something.

Anything at this point.

[sanity_lost]

To put this comment in the topic I originally meant to:

Something I have been interested in lately is a Use Your Illusions Documentary. They recorded just about everything during the entire tour and there has to be some great footage in there. lf all the old legal issues are settled and they are beginning to agree to other business propositions then maybe there is a possibility?... okay so probably not much of one, but at least it is better than the no chance in hell that it was before.

[SlashElvisTCB]

People really want that stuff? I mean some of it might be interesting if they are different arrangements, with different gtr parts etc. Overall, if there's things left off a record it's usually for a good reason!

Live releases from vault? Yep. Same goes for unreleased original material (worthy of release), yep! Anything else is a bit of a waste of money and effort to buy or for the band to release. The only people interested in CD or UYI instrumentals are super hardcore gnr fans... That's not big business.

I think you're in the minority on that opinion. The outtake version of 14 Years is an utter master piece, it has an extended solo/ending on it that blows the record version away, Izzys lyrics weren't as cohesive as the original version but they were still good enough for that song in the context of a whole song and honestly that assessment is just me being picky, but it was a waaay better band performance than what wound up on the record. Point being, the producer doesn't always have the right idea and in a band with 5-10 opinions once you add co-writers & producers and band members things can change in an instant on what they thought at the time would be a better song to be on the record. Some of my favorite songs are outtakes or Live Performances.

I don't mean to always compare Elvis Presley to GNR, but he's one of my personal expertise and everybody knows him, he has around 800 released songs with multiple versions/outtakes of each and on top of those 800 songs counting the unreleased songs that pushes the number to nearly 1200 songs! So the amount of material that people haven't heard could be in excess of 2500 songs, and I'll tell you, I've heard a lot of those unreleased songs and they only solidified him as pure gold because any one of his fuck up tracks or practice tracks could have been masters and nobody would have known the difference, he was that good. Some of his fuck up tracks have been released as #1 songs in the US & UK 30+ years after he "died".

I feel GNR in the same light, many of their unreleased songs deserve to see the light of day at the very least, the Illusions demo's were a great insight into how those songs came about and hearing more of them is like finding a new good artist to listen to, its like being reborn as a fan and that can never be a bad thing.

[Tom2112]

People really want that stuff? I mean some of it might be interesting if they are different arrangements, with different gtr parts etc. Overall, if there's things left off a record it's usually for a good reason!

Live releases from vault? Yep. Same goes for unreleased original material (worthy of release), yep! Anything else is a bit of a waste of money and effort to buy or for the band to release. The only people interested in CD or UYI instrumentals are super hardcore gnr fans... That's not big business.

I think you're in the minority on that opinion. The outtake version of 14 Years is an utter master piece, it has an extended solo/ending on it that blows the record version away, Izzys lyrics weren't as cohesive as the original version but they were still good enough for that song in the context of a whole song and honestly that assessment is just me being picky, but it was a waaay better band performance than what wound up on the record. Point being, the producer doesn't always have the right idea and in a band with 5-10 opinions once you add co-writers & producers and band members things can change in an instant on what they thought at the time would be a better song to be on the record. Some of my favorite songs are outtakes or Live Performances.

I don't mean to always compare Elvis Presley to GNR, but he's one of my personal expertise and everybody knows him, he has around 800 released songs with multiple versions/outtakes of each and on top of those 800 songs counting the unreleased songs that pushes the number to nearly 1200 songs! So the amount of material that people haven't heard could be in excess of 2500 songs, and I'll tell you, I've heard a lot of those unreleased songs and they only solidified him as pure gold because any one of his fuck up tracks or practice tracks could have been masters and nobody would have known the difference, he was that good. Some of his fuck up tracks have been released as #1 songs in the US & UK 30+ years after he "died".

I feel GNR in the same light, many of their unreleased songs deserve to see the light of day at the very least, the Illusions demo's were a great insight into how those songs came about and hearing more of them is like finding a new good artist to listen to, its like being reborn as a fan and that can never be a bad thing.

Jimi Hendrix... he made how many official albums? and how many does he have to his name since his death? and more importantly, how many of those collections are actually any good? not many is the answer. I'd imagine Jimi would rather the majority of those recordings stayed in the studio... scrapped albums of incomplete ideas - I'd wager he'd be much happier if he knew that if someone picks up a Hendrix album that it was actually something he Ok'd and stood behind.

Of course there's some interesting stuff lying around (like the extended 14yrs.... which IMO is not superior to the original) but unless it's full songs, nobody outside of guns nuts are going to be that interested, passed clicking a quick link on blabbermouth if it gets a release. Basically, there's no money in it. "What if they remastered UYI, they could add companion discs like Zeppelins remasters"... yeah, they could do that... but again that's for mega fans only as it's likely gonna cost a fare few quid.

I love GnR, but I'd rather for them to focus on new material, and when all's said and done, they can fire away on out-takes and join the nostalgia gravy train like all the other bands.

[SlashElvisTCB]

People really want that stuff? I mean some of it might be interesting if they are different arrangements, with different gtr parts etc. Overall, if there's things left off a record it's usually for a good reason!

Live releases from vault? Yep. Same goes for unreleased original material (worthy of release), yep! Anything else is a bit of a waste of money and effort to buy or for the band to release. The only people interested in CD or UYI instrumentals are super hardcore gnr fans... That's not big business.

I think you're in the minority on that opinion. The outtake version of 14 Years is an utter master piece, it has an extended solo/ending on it that blows the record version away, Izzys lyrics weren't as cohesive as the original version but they were still good enough for that song in the context of a whole song and honestly that assessment is just me being picky, but it was a waaay better band performance than what wound up on the record. Point being, the producer doesn't always have the right idea and in a band with 5-10 opinions once you add co-writers & producers and band members things can change in an instant on what they thought at the time would be a better song to be on the record. Some of my favorite songs are outtakes or Live Performances.

I don't mean to always compare Elvis Presley to GNR, but he's one of my personal expertise and everybody knows him, he has around 800 released songs with multiple versions/outtakes of each and on top of those 800 songs counting the unreleased songs that pushes the number to nearly 1200 songs! So the amount of material that people haven't heard could be in excess of 2500 songs, and I'll tell you, I've heard a lot of those unreleased songs and they only solidified him as pure gold because any one of his fuck up tracks or practice tracks could have been masters and nobody would have known the difference, he was that good. Some of his fuck up tracks have been released as #1 songs in the US & UK 30+ years after he "died".

I feel GNR in the same light, many of their unreleased songs deserve to see the light of day at the very least, the Illusions demo's were a great insight into how those songs came about and hearing more of them is like finding a new good artist to listen to, its like being reborn as a fan and that can never be a bad thing.

Jimi Hendrix... he made how many official albums? and how many does he have to his name since his death? and more importantly, how many of those collections are actually any good? not many is the answer. I'd imagine Jimi would rather the majority of those recordings stayed in the studio... scrapped albums of incomplete ideas - I'd wager he'd be much happier if he knew that if someone picks up a Hendrix album that it was actually something he Ok'd and stood behind.

Of course there's some interesting stuff lying around (like the extended 14yrs.... which IMO is not superior to the original) but unless it's full songs, nobody outside of guns nuts are going to be that interested, passed clicking a quick link on blabbermouth if it gets a release. Basically, there's no money in it. "What if they remastered UYI, they could add companion discs like Zeppelins remasters"... yeah, they could do that... but again that's for mega fans only as it's likely gonna cost a fare few quid.

I love GnR, but I'd rather for them to focus on new material, and when all's said and done, they can fire away on out-takes and join the nostalgia gravy train like all the other bands.

You know it only takes a moment to tell some jockey in a computer lab to put together some songs from the vault, especially if the details are spread out over the course of months. Honestly now it'd be like saying "I'd rather they didn't take a shit break or lunch break because I want them to focus on the music", its something that doesn't take any real time to do.

Now as for unreleased songs, they are recorded for a reason, to be heard again. One case of a vaulted song that was given life is Roy Orbisons "I Drove All Night". The song was written for him in mind by 2 producers and after several years of failing to find someone to sing it they finally got ahold of Roy Orbisons management at a concert of his and asked if he would come down to jam at their studio, Roy said yes, after a few months they heard nothing from Roy thinking he had told them to fuck off, one day Roy came down in his Red Ferrari and caught them off guard and said he was ready to jam and hadn't forgotten about their offer, they jammed for several hours and nothing came of it until one of the producers decided to show Roy the song they wrote with him in mind, Roy listened as the producer sang the song once and glanced at the lyrics & decided to right then and there record "I Drove All Night" in 2 takes never to sing the song again with them using the original take as the master in the most crude recording conditions possible not meant to be anything but a demo and it turned out to be the Definitive version of the song as it was also the first. Cyndi Lauper ended up releasing her version first in 1989 because Roys version which was recorded first as an unfinished demo in 1987 and he ended up dying late 87.

The point of the above is that good songs are good songs regardless of what they were meant for, its now an iconic song that would have never seen the light of day had the producers had your line of thinking. To be able to have what was not available and listen to that is such a treasure, releasing even a demo recorded with a potato would still be a treasure to have and one that even if it sucked would not tarnish the legacy of the band one bit. To have something is better than to not have something because there is always time to lose that something (unless we're talking stds). Look at the members list of this forum and the fact its been around almost 15+ years or a little over and you have all the evidence you need that the legacy Guns N' Roses is still alive & well, I doubt casual fans just sign up to random forums, they obviously care beyond playing it off their cell phones playlist.

What Guns N' Roses fan would buy unfinished demos you ask? probably the same ones who take the time to sign up to a forum that features a band that hasn't played together since 1993, I don't count the Chinese Democracy fans because they were all here because of the legacy of the original band. I know I'd buy a cd or digital album of unfinished songs. Slash even said he hopes that someday he can be able to share with us some of the unfinished stuff or other mixes of the UYI, maybe that will finally come to fruition.

[DieselDaisy]

People really want that stuff? I mean some of it might be interesting if they are different arrangements, with different gtr parts etc. Overall, if there's things left off a record it's usually for a good reason!

Live releases from vault? Yep. Same goes for unreleased original material (worthy of release), yep! Anything else is a bit of a waste of money and effort to buy or for the band to release. The only people interested in CD or UYI instrumentals are super hardcore gnr fans... That's not big business.

I think you're in the minority on that opinion. The outtake version of 14 Years is an utter master piece, it has an extended solo/ending on it that blows the record version away, Izzys lyrics weren't as cohesive as the original version but they were still good enough for that song in the context of a whole song and honestly that assessment is just me being picky, but it was a waaay better band performance than what wound up on the record. Point being, the producer doesn't always have the right idea and in a band with 5-10 opinions once you add co-writers & producers and band members things can change in an instant on what they thought at the time would be a better song to be on the record. Some of my favorite songs are outtakes or Live Performances.

I don't mean to always compare Elvis Presley to GNR, but he's one of my personal expertise and everybody knows him, he has around 800 released songs with multiple versions/outtakes of each and on top of those 800 songs counting the unreleased songs that pushes the number to nearly 1200 songs! So the amount of material that people haven't heard could be in excess of 2500 songs, and I'll tell you, I've heard a lot of those unreleased songs and they only solidified him as pure gold because any one of his fuck up tracks or practice tracks could have been masters and nobody would have known the difference, he was that good. Some of his fuck up tracks have been released as #1 songs in the US & UK 30+ years after he "died".

I feel GNR in the same light, many of their unreleased songs deserve to see the light of day at the very least, the Illusions demo's were a great insight into how those songs came about and hearing more of them is like finding a new good artist to listen to, its like being reborn as a fan and that can never be a bad thing.

Jimi Hendrix... he made how many official albums? and how many does he have to his name since his death? and more importantly, how many of those collections are actually any good? not many is the answer. I'd imagine Jimi would rather the majority of those recordings stayed in the studio... scrapped albums of incomplete ideas - I'd wager he'd be much happier if he knew that if someone picks up a Hendrix album that it was actually something he Ok'd and stood behind.

Of course there's some interesting stuff lying around (like the extended 14yrs.... which IMO is not superior to the original) but unless it's full songs, nobody outside of guns nuts are going to be that interested, passed clicking a quick link on blabbermouth if it gets a release. Basically, there's no money in it. "What if they remastered UYI, they could add companion discs like Zeppelins remasters"... yeah, they could do that... but again that's for mega fans only as it's likely gonna cost a fare few quid.

I love GnR, but I'd rather for them to focus on new material, and when all's said and done, they can fire away on out-takes and join the nostalgia gravy train like all the other bands.

First Rays of the New Rising Sun is a masterpiece. The rest is spotty - I would have personally just wacked everything into a boxset.

[Tom2112]

People really want that stuff? I mean some of it might be interesting if they are different arrangements, with different gtr parts etc. Overall, if there's things left off a record it's usually for a good reason!

Live releases from vault? Yep. Same goes for unreleased original material (worthy of release), yep! Anything else is a bit of a waste of money and effort to buy or for the band to release. The only people interested in CD or UYI instrumentals are super hardcore gnr fans... That's not big business.

I think you're in the minority on that opinion. The outtake version of 14 Years is an utter master piece, it has an extended solo/ending on it that blows the record version away, Izzys lyrics weren't as cohesive as the original version but they were still good enough for that song in the context of a whole song and honestly that assessment is just me being picky, but it was a waaay better band performance than what wound up on the record. Point being, the producer doesn't always have the right idea and in a band with 5-10 opinions once you add co-writers & producers and band members things can change in an instant on what they thought at the time would be a better song to be on the record. Some of my favorite songs are outtakes or Live Performances.

I don't mean to always compare Elvis Presley to GNR, but he's one of my personal expertise and everybody knows him, he has around 800 released songs with multiple versions/outtakes of each and on top of those 800 songs counting the unreleased songs that pushes the number to nearly 1200 songs! So the amount of material that people haven't heard could be in excess of 2500 songs, and I'll tell you, I've heard a lot of those unreleased songs and they only solidified him as pure gold because any one of his fuck up tracks or practice tracks could have been masters and nobody would have known the difference, he was that good. Some of his fuck up tracks have been released as #1 songs in the US & UK 30+ years after he "died".

I feel GNR in the same light, many of their unreleased songs deserve to see the light of day at the very least, the Illusions demo's were a great insight into how those songs came about and hearing more of them is like finding a new good artist to listen to, its like being reborn as a fan and that can never be a bad thing.

Jimi Hendrix... he made how many official albums? and how many does he have to his name since his death? and more importantly, how many of those collections are actually any good? not many is the answer. I'd imagine Jimi would rather the majority of those recordings stayed in the studio... scrapped albums of incomplete ideas - I'd wager he'd be much happier if he knew that if someone picks up a Hendrix album that it was actually something he Ok'd and stood behind.

Of course there's some interesting stuff lying around (like the extended 14yrs.... which IMO is not superior to the original) but unless it's full songs, nobody outside of guns nuts are going to be that interested, passed clicking a quick link on blabbermouth if it gets a release. Basically, there's no money in it. "What if they remastered UYI, they could add companion discs like Zeppelins remasters"... yeah, they could do that... but again that's for mega fans only as it's likely gonna cost a fare few quid.

I love GnR, but I'd rather for them to focus on new material, and when all's said and done, they can fire away on out-takes and join the nostalgia gravy train like all the other bands.

First Rays of the New Rising Sun is a masterpiece. The rest is spotty - I would have personally just wacked everything into a boxset.

I'll have to check that one out! thanks!