GNR Women's discussion

[Jane M.]

41 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Duff's casual encounter at that hotel was something that happened out of pure destiny and luck, or else it would have never happened. They also thought Axl wouldn't want to see Duff and kept insisting on Duff to leave, until Axl checked who was making all that noise outside his room, came out and approved to have him come in.

Didn't this happened with Steven also? Many many years ago but it was sort of the same thing, in Vegas? If I'm not mistaken, Del James kicked Steven out from somewhere because he thought it might upset Axl and then had to apologize. Axl wanted to talk to Steven and was ok with him being there. 

[killuridols]

6 minutes ago, Jane M. said:

Didn't this happened with Steven also? Many many years ago but it was sort of the same thing, in Vegas? If I'm not mistaken, Del James kicked Steven out from somewhere because he thought it might upset Axl and then had to apologize. Axl wanted to talk to Steven and was ok with him being there. 

Yes, you are correct. Also happened with Slash when he tried to see nuGNR in Vegas.

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There is no way something like this should be called "love" or "protection". Axl was a man in his forties when these things happened. He should have been able to deal with all of that on his own. Face the problems, damn it.

Although I do agree that such encounters should not happen before a show (it is not the appropiate place and time to talk heavy shit), what rings a bell to me is the similarities among these stories: all of them tried to contact Axl in person by going to a show.

I believe phones exist since... how many decades? fifty, sixty? doesn't matter... the point is, if Duff, Slash and Steven thought the ONLY way to contact Axl was by directly approaching him somewhere, it is because a phone call was not an option for them.

Talks about how much shielded Axl is/was and how everybody in that organization were not helping him get out of that shell by telling him "dude! kill this shit now, talk to them! get rid of the anger, talk it out, solve it!".

No, it was all like "ok Axl, don't deal with your problems, they will get tired and go away soon. Keep harboring hate inside, anger inside, sweep it all under the rug".

That was the approach. Very healthy, indeed.

 

[Axl_Fetish]

2 hours ago, killuridols said:

I think it is TOO NAIVE to think TB does not have an interest here after all the time they've been around Axl, helping him or working for him.

Even families with blood ties end up in legal trouble sometimes when some family member dies and money or whatever kind of inheritance is at stake.

If they've worked their ass off during all this time, I guess it is fair they receive their part but I am suspicious of the fact of Axl not getting married or having children.

Just think how much of a threat that is for all of them. Their entire hope of inheriting Axl's millions would die the minute he marries someone or has a child of his own.

Despite they love him for real or not and have helped him in his moments of despair, I think Axl deserves a family of his own or at least a woman who loves him and he loves her back.

No one in TB can give him THAT kind of love and companionship.

This. Exactly this.

Is he only exposed to young model's and escorts chosen by Beta and Andrei? or is he allowed to go out once and awhile and actually socialize?

Back in the day he'd go out by himself- he didn't always have a nanny with him.

[cheesecake]

5 minutes ago, Axl_Fetish said:

This. Exactly this.

Is he only exposed to young model's and escorts chosen by Beta and Andrei? or is he allowed to go out once and awhile and actually socialize?

Back in the day he'd go out by himself- he didn't always have a nanny with him.

So basically Beta jumped from one nanny post to another nanny post?  j/k 

[killuridols]

8 minutes ago, Axl_Fetish said:

This. Exactly this.

Is he only exposed to young model's and escorts chosen by Beta and Andrei? or is he allowed to go out once and awhile and actually socialize?

Back in the day he'd go out by himself- he didn't always have a nanny with him.

When you do a little research on those pictures posted by models and him on there IG's, they are always thanking either Andrei or one of the Lebeis, so it looks like all of it is arranged by them.

Probably because of their age, they don't know older women who could be a good fit for Axl. It looks like Axl hangs out with what his assistants pick for him and he doesn't go beyond that.

It is always the same kind of women. Never someone slightly different. I find that odd.

I've seen Susan bringing her hot sexy friends to the shows. I had hopes Axl could meet one of those women who are more age appropiate for him than the young models and find an alternative to what he is constantly presented for dinner night after night.

Again, I think it is the problem of being dependend of a reduced circle of people and the people those people like, instead of him exploring new ways of connecting with a different type of woman.

[cheesecake]

@killuridols come November Rain if you have the opportunity to meet him outside his hotel or gas station or whatever, do ask him about all these. 

OT... Oh, I just found out by accident, that the Queen of Netherlands is an Argentine. Never knew. Quite a striking looking lady. Any resemblance to how you look? 

[Blackstar]

18 minutes ago, Jane M. said:

Didn't this happened with Steven also? Many many years ago but it was sort of the same thing, in Vegas? If I'm not mistaken, Del James kicked Steven out from somewhere because he thought it might upset Axl and then had to apologize. Axl wanted to talk to Steven and was ok with him being there. 

Yes, it did.

Marc Canter: "In 2006 I heard the finished and mixed album totally finished with vocals and everything.  This was after the gig at Hard Rock in August and Steven and I both were up in Axl’s room while he was blaring the new album for us.  Steven had originally been thrown out of the gig by Del but Axl was like “Why?  I wanted to talk to him”  so we both were up there enjoying it; it was friendly between Steven and Axl."  

And there was another incident, according to a forum member who had met Axl at a party and had a short conversation with him, with Del intervening and Axl saying something along the lines "no, I want to stay and talk".

36 minutes ago, killuridols said:

But I wasn't refering to him when I asked that. It is because you said he's not a puppet and in my opinion, a puppet is actually someone who is weak in their mind or stupid. I don't think Axl is any of that, but a mental disorder, mental inestability or emotional dysfunction can make you vulnerable to manipulation and taken advantage of by people. You're not a fool when you're being manipulated, you're just vulnerable and you fall for that.

I think everybody deserves love, even if you have a mental disease or something similar. Many people with these problems are married and have children, etc. It may be hard for the family to deal with that but also, most of mental diseases develope late in life, so a lot of people are already into serious relationships or with children when they discover they have a mental disease.

You can still love and fall in love.

On/Off topic: Has anyone watched "Love and Mercy", the biopic about Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys? It's a case like this.

[killuridols]

7 minutes ago, cheesecake said:

@killuridols come November Rain if you have the opportunity to meet him outside his hotel or gas station or whatever, do ask him about all these. 

OT... Oh, I just found out by accident, that the Queen of Netherlands is an Argentine. Never knew. Quite a striking looking lady. Any resemblance to how you look? 

ask him what? lol I don't think he will want to talk about anything when he comes here. I can only picture chaos

Yeah, Maxima, she caught a good deal huh?

No, I dont look like her at all. She's a blonde and I'm brunette

 

8 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

On/Off topic: Has anyone watched "Love and Mercy", the biopic about Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys? It's a case like this.

No, I haven't watched that.

Could be interesting. Thanks for suggesting!

[Axl_Fetish]

4 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yes, it did.

Marc Canter: "In 2006 I heard the finished and mixed album totally finished with vocals and everything.  This was after the gig at Hard Rock in August and Steven and I both were up in Axl’s room while he was blaring the new album for us.  Steven had originally been thrown out of the gig by Del but Axl was like “Why?  I wanted to talk to him”  so we both were up there enjoying it; it was friendly between Steven and Axl."  

And there was another incident, according to a forum member who had met Axl at a party and had a short conversation with him, with Del intervening and Axl saying something along the lines "no, I want to stay and talk".

On/Off topic: Has anyone watched "Love and Mercy", the biopic about Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys? It's a case like this.

There was also a video clip on YouTube from 2014, S. America where Beta basically told some fans to get lost, and Axl (very strongly) intervened... then spoke with the fans for a few minutes.

 

Yes! I saw that movie and made the connection myself  

[Blackstar]

2 minutes ago, Axl_Fetish said:

Yes! I saw that movie and made the connection myself  

Yes, there are some similarities, aren't there?

[cheesecake]

1 minute ago, Blackstar said:

Yes, it did.

Marc Canter: "In 2006 I heard the finished and mixed album totally finished with vocals and everything.  This was after the gig at Hard Rock in August and Steven and I both were up in Axl’s room while he was blaring the new album for us.  Steven had originally been thrown out of the gig by Del but Axl was like “Why?  I wanted to talk to him”  so we both were up there enjoying it; it was friendly between Steven and Axl."  

And there was another incident, according to a forum member who had met Axl at a party and had a short conversation with him, with Del intervening and Axl saying something along the lines "no, I want to stay and talk".

On/Off topic: Has anyone watched "Love and Mercy", the biopic about Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys? It's a case like this.

That's the thing..the piece of missing puzzle. 

We've agreed that he has all these people who managed to build a wall around him to 'protect' him from the people they deem may contaminate him or whatever but evidence showed that once he found their (Duff..Steven) existence around him, he would want to get acquainted with them. So, regardless, he still has the final say. They can prevent him from seeing or talking to certain people, but it's not like he lives in a prison where he can't pick u a phone and try to reach to those people if he wants to. This is the part I don't quite get. 

Like, take Erin for instance. If he really still have feelings for Erin, and TB have been discouraging him from having that relationship to rekindle (like some people believe, to keep them in his wealth bubble etc), it's not like Erin is not visible and is reclusive that it is hard for him to find her. She is out there in the public and have been expressing her feelings for him for quite some time, I'm sure he may have come across this. The auction really should have easily get him connected and have access to Erin if he wants to, people can try to stop him, but once he is aware of her existence and she is within reach, he can always get to her just like how Duff and Steven incidents took place. 

So here is where I think, he still makes some decisions on his one at the end of the day. Okay...I get confused too, too many conflicting issues. 

Well... whatever. I'm here for the music first. As long as he delivers, I'm game. His personal life...is just the icing on the cake. I don't mind not having the icing sometimes he he..

[killuridols]

Edited August 25, 2016 by killuridols

[stella]

3 hours ago, killuridols said:

 

There are musicians who only play an instrument and other people's compositions and there are other musicians who play, compose, write lyrics, arrange and record music.

Guns N' Roses and Axl Rose are musicians AND composers AND recording artists with a CV of music and lyrics composed by themselves, among some covers they've done, most of their material is originally written by them and they have promoted themselves like that.

So that comparison is not in place here. We are not talking about musicians in an symphony orchestra playing Mozart and Beethoven. We are talking about a rock band with material of their own.

I don't know who's saying albums or releasing music is not profitable. Whenever I open iTunes I get bombarded with suggestions for new bands, artists, albums and songs. If no one was making music nowadays I dont think such things as iTunes or Spotify would exist.

Also, for writting a great song you don't need millions of dollars. Much less in the case of GN'R or Axl. He has an amazing voice, he could sing a capella and he would still be brilliant. A guitar and a piano are all he needs to shine. Tell me if you dont think simple, acoustic compositions like 'You Are Crazy' and 'One In A Million' from Lies are not amazing songs? (please only consider the music in OIAM, not the lyrics).They recorded that album in like 4 hours, I believe. How much money does that take? If they were to write another "Patience" and release it like that, they would recover whatever little money they put on it in a heartbeat.

First: Artists get a fraction of the money that iTunes, Spotify, etc. charge. And there's actually a huge lawsuit against Spotify for unpaid royalties right now. Second: albums aren't selling nearly as well as they used to. In the 80s and 90s, many albums went gold and platinum. Forbes posted this grim article about how the only platinum certified album for most of 2014 was Disney's Frozen soundtrack, and there have been similar reports from other years.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-new-economics-of-the-music-industry-20111025

http://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2014/10/16/not-one-artists-album-has-gone-platinum-in-2014/#c13fec138f14

Second: making an album IS a heck of a lot less expensive than it used to be, and with ProTools and the ability to make an album without a label, it's easier than ever for people. However, it's still an investment of time and money. Let's assume Axl does an album where he sits on a stool and sings acappella. You have to pay the recording engineer(s) and the people who work on it in post-production. Axl apparently has a studio in his house, but if he didn't, that would be more money for studio rental time. It's free to do title registration with BMI or ASCAP but someone has to sit down and do that, which = billable hours. Registering a LOC copyright does cost money, and you're encouraged to register published/released works, so someone has to do that. Then there's the cost of hiring a cover artist and a graphic artist to design the album art and credits, or you're paying someone in-house to do it. And you do need the credits because you have to credit all the songwriters, performers and engineers. There's the cost of getting the CDs actually pressed and shipped, getting the songs converted to the acceptable digital formats, and the time involved with doing contracts and putting the songs up on iTunes and such. And then if you want a video, there are all the costs involved with that. Even if you're just filming your friends walking down the street, there's usually a filming permit involved and someone has to put that together with FinalCut in post-production.

And we haven't even talked about publicity yet. Sure, you can just put out Facebook and other social media posts, but if you're serious about trying to sell, you are investing money in advertising. That means hiring a designer/graphic artist and ad agency to design a campaign for you, study the marketing data for the best targets for your campaign, and paying the actual cost of air time and physical and virtual advertising space. If you're Beyonce or someone of her caliber, MAYBE you'll get a deal with some store where they'll carry your CD and promote it, but maybe you won't.

So you do all that, and you put it up on Amazon and iTunes, because most stores don't even carry CDs anymore. Some people buy it; three times as many steal it. Others buy one song from the album and leave the other ten there. There's a reason many artists seem to release single songs now instead of albums. I would wager that even with Frozen, ten times the number of people bought "Let It Go" than bought the full album.

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The fact that you guys are denying the essence of being an artist, which is to make art, only shows that you are being stubborn for the sake of it or too much into sugarcoating of the sad fact of GN'R not releasing new music when they have all they need to do it: talent, money, the voice, the

No, it's not being stubborn. It's being realistic. I personally know musicians who deal with this reality every single day. There are many ways to make art. Releasing new music is only one of them. Performing is another. There isn't just one way to be a musician, make music or be artistic. GnR at this time has focused on making music and creating their art in their live shows, and they actually do go out of their way to ensure that it's a special experience.

Edited August 25, 2016 by stella

[killuridols]

7 minutes ago, stella said:

First: Artists get a fraction of the money that iTunes, Spotify, etc. charge. And there's actually a huge lawsuit against Spotify for unpaid royalties right now. Second: albums aren't selling nearly as well as they used to. In the 80s and 90s, many albums went gold and platinum. Forbes posted this grim article about how the only platinum certified album for most of 2014 was Disney's Frozen soundtrack, and there have been similar reports from other years.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-new-economics-of-the-music-industry-20111025

http://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2014/10/16/not-one-artists-album-has-gone-platinum-in-2014/#c13fec138f14

Second: making an album IS a heck of a lot less expensive than it used to be, and with ProTools and the ability to make an album without a label, it's easier than ever for people. However, it's still an investment of time and money. Let's assume Axl does an album where he sits on a stool and sings acappella. You have to pay the recording engineer(s) and the people who work on it in post-production. Axl apparently has a studio in his house, but if he didn't, that would be more money for studio rental time. It's free to do title registration with BMI or ASCAP but someone has to sit down and do that, which = billable hours. Registering a LOC copyright does cost money, and you're encouraged to register published/released works, so someone has to do that. Then there's the cost of hiring a cover artist and a graphic artist to design the album art and credits, or you're paying someone in-house to do it. And you do need the credits because you have to credit all the songwriters, performers and engineers. There's the cost of getting the CDs actually pressed and shipped, getting the songs converted to the acceptable digital formats, and the time involved with doing contracts and putting the songs up on iTunes and such. And then if you want a video, there are all the costs involved with that. Even if you're just filming your friends walking down the street, there's usually a filming permit involved and someone has to put that together with FinalCut in post-production.

And we haven't even talked about publicity yet. Sure, you can just put out Facebook and other social media posts, but if you're serious about trying to sell, you are investing money in advertising. That means hiring a designer/graphic artist and ad agency to design a campaign for you, study the marketing data for the best targets for your campaign, and paying the actual cost of air time and physical and virtual advertising space. If you're Beyonce or someone of her caliber, MAYBE you'll get a deal with some store where they'll carry your CD and promote it, but maybe you won't.

So you do all that, and you put it up on Amazon and iTunes, because most stores don't even carry CDs anymore. Some people buy it; three times as many steal it. Others buy one song from the album and leave the other ten there.

Hear me go like Sebastian Bach in that famous interview with George Stroumboulopoulos when he talks about Axl...

"but dude!....

Guns N' Roses are a MILLIONAIRE band. They do not struggle with any of those money issues!!!!

Axl spent 13 million dollars and 13 years in the making of CD!!!!!!!!!

Talk about investment of time and money..."

[stella]

16 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Hear me go like Sebastian Bach in that famous interview with George Stroumboulopoulos when he talks about Axl...

"but dude!....

Guns N' Roses are a MILLIONAIRE band. They do not struggle with any of those money issues!!!!

Axl spent 13 million dollars and 13 years in the making of CD!!!!!!!!!

Talk about investment of time and money..."

Ah, but how much of that 13 million was Axl's own money? He had the record company on the hook for it, or for most of it. The Best Buy deal recouped some, but not all of that money. If they were doing this without the support of a label - and it appears that they would be - they would be responsible for that.

13 million and 13 years roughly = a million dollars per year.

Even if you have money, you don't want to, as they say, throw good money after bad. You're not going to invest in something like this, which is an inordinate amount of effort, if it's not going to give you a return. Yeah, art for art's sake, but it's still a job and you still have to pay your bills. And every person in that band has lawyers and accountants on retainer, security, and a lot of other expenses. Look at Duff's bands. He tours constantly with them. They don't focus on albums.

In contrast, a tour is money in the bank.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a band can't or shouldn't put out new music. What I am saying is that we can't say a band is a failure or isn't making music or not if they choose not to. Even among bands that *have* put out new music, it's much more sporadic.

Edited August 25, 2016 by stella

[stella]

And on a related note, in the past two days I've seen songs from Whitesnake and De La Soul being used for TV commercials for children's clothing. And there's a part of me that cringed to see that, especially when De La Soul's anthem about self-acceptance has been transformed into a commercial to sell jeans to 12 year olds. But on the other hand, licensing one's songs for commercials and films and such is another way they're going to make a profit these days, and one can't hold that against them.

[killuridols]

8 minutes ago, stella said:

Ah, but how much of that 13 million was Axl's own money? He had the record company on the hook for it, or for most of it. The Best Buy deal recouped some, but not all of that money. If they were doing this without the support of a label - and it appears that they would be - they would be responsible for that.

13 million and 13 years roughly = a million dollars per year.

Even if you have money, you don't want to, as they say, throw good money after bad. You're not going to invest in something like this, which is an inordinate amount of effort, if it's not going to give you a return. Yeah, art for art's sake, but it's still a job and you still have to pay your bills. And every person in that band has lawyers and accountants on retainer, security, and a lot of other expenses. Look at Duff's bands. He tours constantly with them. They don't focus on albums.

In contrast, a tour is money in the bank.

We don't know that. Maybe they do have a record company behind.

Slash is constantly releasing albums. He does not seem to have this issue at all.

Throwing money doesn't seem to be a concern for Axl. He has thrown loads of money in the past, in the 90s, with that monstrous UYI tour. The other guys complained of his exccentricities: from those session musicians, back up singers and dancers to the themed-parties organized by Amy & Stuart, the huge entourage, cancelling shows and paying fees because of that.

Even now he's not at all concerned with flying the whole clan of Lebeis all over the USA and probably will bring them to Southamerica too. What's the need of traveling with all those babies? Andrei? The personal trainer who doesn't do shit? The paid models to fill the front row? Parties held at luxurious hotels?

Come on..... we're not fools here.

Axl doesn't release music because he's too insecure, perfectionist, stubborn or Satan knows what but if there is something he doesn't care about is wasting money.

The industry problems are just a lame excuse for his laziness.

Guns N' Roses is not like The Rolling Stones or AC/DC who have tons of albums to tour and re-tour for a lifetime.

After this tour, there's no way people will go see them play AFD and the Illusions all over again. They need to release more music because what they have has worn out already and on top of that, they will be older and uglier.

People wont be paying to see them in stadiums 3-4 years from now.

 

[SerenityScorp]

 

 

 

No more  topic?

[triad]

1 hour ago, stella said:

 

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The fact that you guys are denying the essence of being an artist, which is to make art, only shows that you are being stubborn for the sake of it or too much into sugarcoating of the sad fact of GN'R not releasing new music when they have all they need to do it: talent, money, the voice, the

No, it's not being stubborn. It's being realistic. I personally know musicians who deal with this reality every single day. There are many ways to make art. Releasing new music is only one of them. Performing is another. There isn't just one way to be a musician, make music or be artistic. GnR at this time has focused on making music and creating their art in their live shows, and they actually do go out of their way to ensure that it's a special experience.

Stubborn, sure.  Music is different than visual art in that if a visual artist creates and exhibits a painting or sculpture, that person is acknowledged as THE artist.  Songs, however, require music, lyrics, and performance.  A brilliant songwriter may have a terrible voice, or be uncomfortable performing.  A brilliant singer may not be able to articulate their thoughts in a meaningful (and rhyming) way.  Their collaboration rewards the audience with the best of both.  By my definition, both are artists/musicians.  

This is a completely separate discussion from whether GnR could and should release new music, which I sincerely hope that they do ASAP.  

[stella]

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

We don't know that. Maybe they do have a record company behind.

Slash is constantly releasing albums. He does not seem to have this issue at all.

Throwing money doesn't seem to be a concern for Axl. He has thrown loads of money in the past, in the 90s, with that monstrous UYI tour. The other guys complained of his exccentricities: from those session musicians, back up singers and dancers to the themed-parties organized by Amy & Stuart, the huge entourage, cancelling shows and paying fees because of that.

Even now he's not at all concerned with flying the whole clan of Lebeis all over the USA and probably will bring them to Southamerica too. What's the need of traveling with all those babies? Andrei? The personal trainer who doesn't do shit? The paid models to fill the front row? Parties held at luxurious hotels?

Come on..... we're not fools here.

Axl doesn't release music because he's too insecure, perfectionist, stubborn or Satan knows what but if there is something he doesn't care about is wasting money.

The industry problems are just a lame excuse for his laziness.

Guns N' Roses is not like The Rolling Stones or AC/DC who have tons of albums to tour and re-tour for a lifetime.

After this tour, there's no way people will go see them play AFD and the Illusions all over again. They need to release more music because what they have has worn out already and on top of that, they will be older and uglier.

People wont be paying to see them in stadiums 3-4 years from now.

 

The things Axl spends money on are things that benefit Axl, or others he cares about. That's not wasted, at least to him. TB is his adopted family; he wants them around. It's far less of a risk for him than it would be to invest millions in composing, recording, releasing and promoting a new album that's going to be pirated five seconds after it's released. He has his reasons for not doing so; and there's nobody here who can say it's because he's lazy. That's a judgment with nothing behind it. None of us know what he's doing when he's not on tour.

NuGNR toured for over a decade on one new album; there's nothing to say that GnR couldn't do the same thing. And you're assuming people even want to hear new music. Maybe fans do, but Joe Average who is spending money on concert tickets is there to hear Sweet Child and November Rain. At the NITL show I attended, I swear hundreds walked out after Sweet Child. And it's actually been like that at every show I've ever seen with them, even back to Illusions.

From what I've seen at the concerts I've attended in the last few years, for most audience members it IS about the hits. The Cult has released a bunch of albums recently. When they opened for GnR all they played were songs from Love, Electric and Sonic Temple - their 80s and 90s hits. Duran Duran has albums out every four years or so, and they have to give them away free with concert tickets. Aerosmith recently put out an album; I've seen two of their concerts since then, and nobody gave two shits about the new songs. With very few exceptions it's about songs more than it is albums.

GnR really wasn't sustaining stadiums on this tour, either. It didn't sell well in some markets and there were a lot of discounts out there. They'll have to move down to arenas. That is where most people are and there's no shame in that.

I think it'd be great if they decided that new music was what they wanted to do. But they don't owe anyone that, and yes, they ARE still artists and making music if they just concentrate on their live show from now on.

[Padme]

I saw that picture of Slash and Michelle Young. Any more info about that meeting? Was it at the L.A. shows?

[SerenityScorp]

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=4193

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"As a sign of his gratitude, Mullineaux said Rose sent someone to his hotel room to retrieve two CDs, each one containing 10 tracks. [...] Mullineaux, who said he manned the DJ booth and spun the discs for Rose, said several of the tracks reminded him of classic GN'R, with moments of uncharacteristic heaviness. Axl 'kept telling me to put back track #3 '” I guess that was his favorite song,' he said." (MTV, 02/23/06)

Was track #3 perhaps Better, There Was a Time, or The Blues?

"'He wanted to play that one over and over, like six times. He was really getting into it and rockin' out. Everybody was surprised at how good it sounded. And that third track, that was the song where his voice sounded the best; the smoothest.'

I wonder if this has been discuss on this forum or not

I want to know wht song is the track #3

[tiutso]

10 hours ago, killuridols said:

What tumblr is this?

Im not sure I'm following the write Tumblr accounts. I never come accross shit like this.

Please fill me in with what's the latest trend

 

It was on @borntobeafan account. Hopefully she doesn't mind external traffic.

[RooSaa]

12 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

 

 

Thanks for the first picture. The rooftop looks much fuller than just Slash, Axl and some models. Proof that they just wrote that, to make a small headline out of a non-existing story ... 

 

12 hours ago, Frey said:

No, I think RooSaa is right and the key to this lies in the cut piece of the video.

Here's what I think happened:

During the missing piece of the video Slash said something to the audience, making a dedication to someone or something. 

Axl didn't really get it at first, but then when Slash started playing, it hit Axl what Slash had just said and Axl was either genuinely annoyed/pissed off by it or... fondly annoyed, in an exasperated or amused kind of way.

I wonder if the cut was because of battery change or because the uploader didnt want that the fight was on the video ...

12 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, this is what I make out from the video too. I think Axl was really pissed off, judging from his reaction when Duff sat by him; he immediately got up and it seems like he looked at Duff angrily. Then, when Axl was off stage, Duff went to Slash and told him something (maybe consoling him?). And when Axl came back, he didn't interact with anyone.

This case gets more and more mysterious ... wish we could find someone, who was at the concert and remembered what happened that night ...

 

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Count me in as one who thinks Beta & Fam are well intentioned. They may not be the best managers in the business, but they haven't been doing too bad at managing Axl. They've been officially managing GNR since when? 2011? Axl and Slash started talking in 2014? And now we have Axl and Slash playing together in 2016. Once they started managing GNR we get a partial reunion in 5 years. Not to bad. I expect it helps that they cared about Axl as family and weren't pushing him into it like past managers were trying to do. Just followed Axl's lead.

GNR may not have released any music since Team Brazil started managing them, but Axl began getting shit together and started to get to shows on time. Usually I'd say it isn't the best idea to be managed by family, and clearly Axl considers them family, but in Axl's case they might be the only ones who can deal with him. Axl seems to go through GNR managers every couple of years. They've made it longer than the last four. 

I know a lot of you know don't like how they put themselves between Axl and anything they think will set Axl off, but from what I can tell it seems to be working pretty well. They get to be the bad guys and Axl gets to look like roses (pun intended). If Axl doesn't want to deal with whatever it is they are acting as a barrier against (fans, previous bandmates, whatever) then they are the ones that people hate for blocking their access to Axl. If Axl feels like dealing with whatever it is he then he looks like the good guy for breaking through the shield Team Brazil have placed around him.

It isn't like Axl and Slash just chatting back in 2005 would have made the reunion suddenly happen and everything be good again. Look at the series of events that lead to Duff reconnecting with Axl. Per Duff, just meeting with Axl did not magically fix everything. The chance meeting at the hotel sort of let him know Axl didn't hate him and that they could still get a long. It may have opened the door to Duff's band getting to open for GNR, but even opening for GNR didn't rekindle his and Axl's friendship. (though I suppose the RnRHF debacle immediately after may have been a set back.) It wasn't until Tommy had to bow out of the tour and Duff was asked to fill in that he and Axl bonded again on the road.

And Duff and Axl parted on peaceable terms. Nothing like Slash and Axl's parting. But then again who knows? Maybe Slash talking Axl when he was completely trashed would have made things good between them again all the way back in 2005.