CAFC Nick

7 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Information about her age here.

 

Whaaaaat! No way, thanks for sharing! I stand corrected.

4 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Yes, it has been confirmed by Brain. She's not that young (she's 40 now).

Wasn't sure on this, but a couple of sources via Google say she's 33 (born 1st March 1990)

11 minutes ago, mikeman5150 said:

Wasn’t the general consensus years ago that the general was the intro song they played on the 06’ tour, the long doomy sounding instrumental that led into WTTJ?  Or am I remembering something else. So much speculation with these guys, it’s hard to keep it straight 

Yep that’s correct

2 minutes ago, bmus1 said:

Isn't that killswitch guitar at the beginning of Absurd uncredited to Bumblefoot? That wasn't "recreated" by Fortus.

Surely its Bucket.

1 minute ago, GnR Chris said:

Robin isn’t credited, so the much-discussed Finck bend seems like it’s Fortus playing underneath Slash.

Honestly having listened to the Youtube version with Bose headphones, it sounds identical to the intro of Finck's solo.

3 minutes ago, BassistSeb said:

I do find the press release that implied it was written by Axl, Slash and Duff pretty weird given that it dates from the NuGuns era. I suppose if Axl came up with the structure, lyrics and vocal melody then it isn’t incorrect as that’s classed as writing and then Slash and Duff did the recording two decades afterwards…

Yeah I get you, but ultimately I imagine in the Nu-Guns era everything was contractually attributed to Guns N' Roses - as in, any creative contributions would fall under that umbrella rather than individual personnel.

Genuinely think this will be released on Friday.

4 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Hmm, in one of the later quotes there he says that Bucket's rhythms were intact:

"The final mix was Bucket's main rhythms & whammy parts in chorus, I did fretless riffs in verses, rhythms in the rest, and all the soloing throughout....."

Yeah in the multitracks the proper wah bits sounded very Bucket but couldn’t say for sure. Looks like another zombie approach of layering guitars on guitars. 

If no leaks had ever taken place with Rhiad, maybe we would be arguing over whether there was ever a Bucket/Robin version of them also.

Based on this I think there is a ‘Bucket’ version of Shackler’s somewhere in the vault. Hopefully one day we can hear it.

3 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Isn't Bumblefoot stating that all the rhythm on Shackler's is by him in the first quote here? (57) Shackler's Revenge (a-4-d.com)

Thanks for sharing that, had never seen that quote before!

26 minutes ago, Stro said:

Of course there was an updated demo of Shackler's. It's a different key, tempo, and rhythm to the riff in Shankler's. You can't sample and chop up Shankler's to get Shackler's. 

 

My conspiracy theory is that the first half of Bucket's TWAT solo was actually pieced together from the period where Robin was out and Axl had Bucket replace all of Robin's leads.

No but I mean a proper Bucket version.

We don’t have definitive confirmation that the rhythm guitarists on Shackler’s are indeed Bucket. For example, the rhythm guitar was updated between antiquiet leaks and CD for Rhiad, leading to speculation that it was re-recorded by BBF. So, think it’s possible the final version of Shackler’s is Bucket’s composition but not his playing.

On 7/17/2023 at 7:42 PM, Voodoochild said:

True, there is a faint solo that still can be heard (wonder why, seems like it may have a reverb layer forgotten by Caram/Axl). Still, it could be just some comped solo from several different takes, maybe from other songs too, and that's why Axl wanted to replace it with Bumble. Bucket's Scraped outro is awesome, but it's clearly at least 2 different takes combined. There's also some of his lead work that were resampled and used as some kind of synth effect - again, Scraped has it in the ending/outro after his own solo (it can be clearly heard on the stems, sound like a guitar lick looped and harmonized in layers) and Prostitute (that bit that plays when the full instrumentation ends and the mellow piano part starts). 

Sorry to bring this one back up, just had a bit of an epiphany about it this morning 

Your comment has been on my mind for a while and you're absolutely correct about the comping of solos. As much as I think TWAT is the greatest GN'R solo (not the most iconic, but the best), I think it's fair to say its comped from different takes rather than one long untampered Bucket solo. However, I think it is safe to say there were some changes from the demos in Village sessions to the final cut. Case in point - Sorry. Whilst the vast majority of Sorry stayed the same, structure etc, the solo was re-recorded by Bucket so based on this I think it is a reasonable assumption to say that there was an "updated" demo of Shackler's, albeit without vocals, that was created post-Shanklers.

27 minutes ago, Maystar said:

Valid points, my reasoning is that Silkworms and Hardschool were some of the less prioritised songs at the time, since Hardschool was meant for a Jackie Chan film, and that fell through. While Silkworms is just kinda weird and experimental. While songs like Three Dollar Pyramid and The Blues where more prioritised, as well as possibly Perhaps, Atlas etc.

Agreed but still the same vocal take from Village up until CD, with a few (entirely unnecessary!) overdubs.

15 minutes ago, Nightrain7 said:

Can I go to bed or is this being released in Aus in 50 minutes 😆 

If you are really into waiting, try holding your breath for Jesus, 'cause I hear the payoff may be that much greater.

7 minutes ago, Maystar said:

I've realised that much of us are basing our speculation on the village session leaks, considering that songs like Catcher, Street Of Dreams, and even Better (which had no vocals originally) changed quite a bit. Is it possible that Axl and whoever was with the band at any moment kept working on Perhaps up until Chinese Democracy's release and maybe even afterwards?

Because if so they could've made a second less repetitive verse. In the soundcheck you can hear Slash or Richard have added some more guitar parts to the main riff, it could easily just be an addition by one of the two, or it could be something recorded back then by Robin or Bumblefoot, and now it's being adapted. It's clear there hasn't been any new sections added of course, but maybe there's more to it than we think.

Wishful thinking I know.

I think the majority of people here are expecting it to be in similar vein to Hard Skool and Absurd:

- Song structure to say very similar to Village sessions (as heard in the soundchecks).

- Slash/Richard/Duff to replace the original Guitar/Bass work and adapt slightly, ultimately making it sound more "GNR-like".

- Same Axl vocal take as previously heard.

10 minutes ago, ©GnrPersia said:

Mark my words. There won't be any GNR release this year.

I will proudly attach this comment on December 31 as my New Year wishes here. lol

Sorry but obviously I really hope you're wrong.

I do still think there's too much indicating that we will for sure get at least Perhaps before end of the year.

We believe more than ever, thank you by taking care him etc

Just now, rocknroll41 said:

While I understand the joke, I’ve actually been on these forums since like 2008! Pretty sure I’m one of the top posters here.

Haha yeah was a joke sir! 

22 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

That’s why I’m starting to think it’ll be an EP right out of the gate. Why else would there be a countdown and pre-save option and whatnot? Doesn’t make sense to do all that just for one song imo.

You must be new here 

38 minutes ago, metalavenger99 said:

Buckethead IS on Hard Skool, you can hear his atonal tapping from 3:15 to 3:25, it’s the same as the demo (I reckon that you have to use headphones to hear it clearly and they left that because it’s meaningless, but still, you can listen to the demo and then that part)

Honestly really don’t think that’s Bucket on the final thing. Sounds similar, but not same take.

9 hours ago, Blackstar said:

On the song Better, instead of trying to play like Robin Finck trying to play like you - as per the recorded version - you chose to do your own thing…

“Some of the stuff I won’t do note-for-note because it doesn’t have a serious melodic significance to the song. It sounded like they were making it up...”

https://www.musicradar.com/news/slash-technique-can-become-the-main-aspiration-but-for-me-its-more-about-expressing-some-sort-of-emotional-content

Oof, not sure if it's because I'm a big Chinese Democracy apologist, but I think this is quite a hot take.

One thing I would say shouldn't be levelled at Robin for his contributions is a lack of melodic significance, I would argue his work is incredibly emotive, and I'm not just talking about CD.

27 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

I don't know if Bucket ever had the chance to properly work on Shacklers. I believe Caram, Robin, Axl and whoever else had to work on ProTools with Brain to put together the song we know now from Bucket's ideas for the main riff. The bridge and chorus sound to me like they were created by those other guys, neither sounded much like Bucket's style.

That’s a great observation and one I’ve considered more and more since the locker leaks. Once the track listing for RM2(?) was leaked and we knew we were getting Shankler’s Revenge I was so excited as I thought we’d hear a very close demo, structure wise at least, to what we got on CD, but that couldn’t have been further from the truth.

Your earlier comment too about the replacing of rhythm tracks on Riad, combined with the topic of Axl’s vocals and therefore the date being so late in the CD-sessions recording also leads me to believe these aren’t Bucket on the final version. However, the only thing that makes me think there was a close-ish version with Bucket on is the RB2 multi-tracks and that when you use the isolated lead guitar stem you can hear something that resembles an old solo buried in the mix. Now, is that confirmation of a Bucket solo? Not definitive, but think it’s a strong indication.

10 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

My apologies! I misread.

I need to listen to the earlier leaked versions, for YEARS I just assumed it was Buckethead. You described that track accurately. The Bumblefoot solo just seems to wacky and directionless, but I suppose it sort of fits the song. I think Bumble's solo on Shackler's is amazing. I've long wanted to hear Bucket's solo on that track. (It's different than the one we got with Village) 

I'd love it if we got all of the Andy Wallace mixes. I assume he probably mixed close to two albums worth of material. Did anyone ever date the 2008 leaks? I assume they are 2003-2005 (Pre Bumblefoot) Even back then, they were fairly bloated (TWAT, espicially) but I prefer most of them to the album versions. 

Surely there has to be an Andy Wallace Skwerl version of Shackler’s? Those leaked in Summer of 08, so only a few months before the album came out, but do we know if those were actually the last pre-Ron/Frank versions?

1 hour ago, Jw224 said:

Still thinking about that "trying to get a single out" comment. I'm imagining a room full of scientists, looking over various heated coloured liquids, trying to create the perfect formula for music release.

Honestly this is the sort of thing that always boggles my mind with this band - it’s always “trying” to figure out how to release a song or album. I used to think there must be some huge red tape stopping them but the Azoff thing was resolved years ago, the partnership is back together and then they got Absurd/HS out indicating that any BTS stuff was actually bullshit.

12 minutes ago, Jakey Styley said:

This is such an obvious improvement, it is truly bewildering why he chooses to sing Slither like that

My guess is that he wants to differentiate the Axl/GNR version from the Scott/VR one

Setlist.fm saying ISE, Estranged, civil war and anything goes - can anyone confirm?