jamillos

19 minutes ago, Rovim said:

right. But that was not the question I was trying to answer which is: does Axl still cares about not becoming stale musically? and imo, he does, at least enough to, and this is a guess, preffering not to release any album over releasing the same shit twice. Not what I would have prefferd personally as a Gn'R fan. 

would have liked Axl to maybe consider time as more of a factor and it being a more organic process so I'll have more Gn'R albums to listen to, especially with Axl and Slash on the same record. No 2 musicians with that kind of chemistry should of been artistically apart for decades but such is life.

I agree, I never doubted him in this sense. 

Again, exactly. If only he wasn't such a stubborn hermitty weirdo... Then again, that's how he is, and without it, we wouldn't have what we already do, so... oh well. 

1 minute ago, Rovim said:

if it's more accurate for you to say "cared, in 1993-2008" that's cool but I think if he didn't care, he could have and probably would have released a bunch of albums that explore the same musical territory like so many other musicians from the 80's are doing.

Well, I would have gladly taken such albums from the late 90s, had they existed, and made my own opinion about them! I mean, Axl and Slash on the same record, even if it sounded the same as UYI, how bad could that have been, right? 

I voted Salt, sorry. While it's a better song than Stuck Inside (not that they should be compared anyway), there's less Axl. 

5 hours ago, ©GnrPersia said:

lol but wait... weren't they?... aren't they? 

Then again, if he didn't have yes men back then, he would have had no men. Think about it.  

9 minutes ago, koldbeer2 said:

Then your never going to be seeing them again, because that Axl vocally is gone. 2016 was like the last burst of the old embers. 

Listening back whilst his voice wasn't perfect with Guns (though with Ac/DC it probably was pretty close) in 2016 the difference between then and now, even when Axl sings well for 2022, is night and day, in terms of tone/rasp/range.

Just to add, I’m absolutely positive if there wasn’t for AC/DC, he could have sustained the good level for years on (although the lengthy and unnecessary touring of the same GNR material didn’t help either). Not exactly in the same quality as 2016 (and definitely not 2010 etc.), but surely better than now. After all, we heard what he was actually capable of when he did the AC/DC thing. Then again, it was a once in a lifetime opportunity and the guys were his heroes, so it’s understandable that he did it. 

14 minutes ago, EvanG said:

You are here all the time and post quite a lot, so you should know how a forum experience works. Negativity can take over the conversation/thread and even the ignore feature doesn't work then anymore and that makes a forum a less fun experience for those who don't want to dwell on the same thing all the time. No one is saying it's a big deal, but it can be annoying for sure, hence why several posters have called you out on it, but to deaf ears unfortunately.

Don’t start this shit again. And you apparently haven’t read up on irony either. I’ve written more than enough text here for anyone to understand this issue as long as they’re willing. See something you don’t like? Skip it. Otherwise, fuck off. This is my last response to you. 

4 minutes ago, Rovim said:

when I see the "jamillos" nick, I first turn off all the lights in the house and my phone so I can fully absorb the post. Live long and prosper.

Kinda creepy, but I'll take that as a compliment. 

15 minutes ago, Rovim said:

blow as much steam as you want, my friend. I'm not going to miss out on posts like these by putting people on ignore just because they must cope with this terrible fate o'ours as fans by basically comparing Axl to other musicians for 20 years, even if they probably know full well it's useless to do that and I don't have to accept it as valid either or keep quiet about it cause at this point I think it's very silly. Perhaps we balance each other in this way, idk.

Doesn’t necessarily say "ignore" is the only way, it also suggests skipping. See someone’s icon/nick? You can just skip the given post whenever you like. May the force be with you. 

A: Hey, howdy, the work sucked again today. 
B: Look, I get it, but haven’t you already come to terms with it? I mean, you say this almost every day when we meet here in this lovely pub. 
A: Yeah, I know, but what can I do, you know? 
B: I mean, stating the obvious every day, over and over, it’s really tedious. 
A: Sure, but as nothing is changing at that workplace and we meet here every day, how can I not be jaded? 
B: But saying that every day? 
A: Look, I thought we’re just friends here, and we’re venting stuff, which is normal when the work mostly sucks and we’ve been connected to it inseparably for decades in some cases. You don’t have to take it so seriously, I’m not really frustrated, I’m not a disgruntled believer, I’m basically just blowing off steam here, which I always thought this friendly place is for. 
B: Yeah but why do I have to listen to it every day?
A: Well, you don’t. There are a lot of tables with other people around us, see? And you don’t have to sit here with me; you can always stop listening, sort of skip my lines, so to speak, and sit somewhere else. In fact, every time you see me or hear my name, you can automatically zone me out as soon as you spot me, you know? This way we’ll all be happy. 
B: Yeah but why do you keep repeating your grievances on a daily basis? 
A: I believe I’ve already told you. Venting shit over a beer in a friendly pub, nothing wrong with that. I’d rather be asking why you keep listening to me every day – even though you clearly don’t have to – and then complain about my conduct, when you literally can ignore my existence.
B: Well I wanted you to see what you’re doing wrong. Direct you to the right path. There’s only one right path, you know. Come with us. 
A: Hey, I have this proposal: I’ll let you do whatever you want (as long as you’re not harming anyone else, which is out of the question here) and will ask the same from you, how about that? I won’t tell you what to do and will expect the same from you, ok? You don’t always have to understand other people’s incentives; the principle is, you should respect them, that’s all. What do you say? 
B: Ok, I guess I didn’t think of that. So to be clear: I’ll let you talk about whatever you want, even if I don’t necessarily agree with it, or rather with the frequency you talk about it; and if I don’t like it, I can always skip your table as soon as I see your face or your name written on this name plate here. Is that correct? 
A: Yes indeed! Would you say that’s fair and to the benefit of all of us?
B: Well I suppose, when you say it like this, yeah, it makes sense. Thanks, I guess. I’ll think about it. 
A: Thank you too. See, communication is not that hard as long as people actually listen to each other and try for a genuine dialogue instead of endlessly spewing two monologues at each other. So... see ya. 
B: See ya. Maybe the work will get better after all. 
A: Here’s to hoping. Cheers. 

Back in the Saddle doesn't have that much of Axl, unlike Stuck Inside. As for people voting for Free Fallin and such... wtf, absurd! 

7 hours ago, Sweersa said:

The 2014 version of the album is probably not too far from the 2008, 2006, 2004 etc. version of it. All it takes is one friend of someone associated with the band, or even someone directly associated with the band at one point to slip up for it to get out there.  A stolen CD from a car or hotel room back in the day, iPod sold or stolen with songs on it, hacked iCloud accounts belonging to members or their associates, there's many different avenues to the stuff getting out there. 

I absolutely believe CD2 is finished and was basically ready for release. The trouble is, I’d bet some – if not a lot – of these songs are the ones Slash and co. have been working on now, and if it leaks, it could be a serious monkey in the wrench in terms of any release, Axl would be pissed off etc. Of course, we don’t know which songs from where are being worked on, so a speculation as usual. 

5 hours ago, Powderfinger said:

Your Purple Heart will arrive anyday now. 

It had better, I've paid 5,000 for it in the Nightrain club! 

3 hours ago, EvanG said:

The reason I repeat myself is because you keep asking questions that have already been answered. Many times. And not just by me.
So for the last time: because it's annoying and because I hoped, in all my naivety, that by explaining this as well as I can, that you would finally understand how annoying and repetitive you have become. But I realize now, no matter how many people say this to you, that you can't see it. 

Bye.

One or two people joined this little nonsense, but like I said, I'm not the only one who sees and expresses things this way, and other 99.9% of people here don't seem to be bothered, so what does that say about you? In fact, someone here pointed out repeatedly that we should check out your post history, cause all you do all the time is policing people, and that was way before our conversation. 

Anyway, I hope you'll give up your futile fight and as usual, start over tomorrow...

1 hour ago, EvanG said:

Dear Lord! For the umpteenth time, it’s not about your opinion. I think I even agree with your opinion for the most part. That is why your “defending the band to death” argument is so silly. You think me, or anyone else, is happy about how this band operates? Fuck no. But most of us aren’t little girls who feel the need to cry about it all the time on a freaking forum. There’s a huge difference between criticism and constantly knocking someone. But you don’t get that. So let’s leave it at that please because we’re going in circles.

Yes, it’s not the opinion, it’s the repetitiveness, I get it (got it the first time), wrong choice of words! But I also told you that you only focus on the negative. 
Seriously, how hard is it to skip someone’s posts (or put them on ignore)? I couldn't give a shit if someone said Axl's an asshole every goddamn day.
So look, why don’t you take the higher road and let people drown in their own stupidity instead of trying to make them realize what they’re doing wrong? I think it’s definitely better than this:

On 7/24/2022 at 3:09 PM, EvanG said:

What's the point in coming here on a daily basis to tell people this?
Why else be so redundant and repetitive? 

On 7/24/2022 at 3:30 PM, EvanG said:

No point in repeating this at every opportunity.

2 hours ago, EvanG said:

 I have called them out on is the endless repetitiveness of the same complaint on a daily basis, which gets annoying. 

their constant whining

you repeat yourself silly on a daily basis here

said this same thing 5,000 times before 

people are reacting to the endless same old complaint from the same few posters because it gets really old.

1 hour ago, EvanG said:

how repetitive and annoying they are

Yet I've seen you type the same shit, maybe in a different context or with different words, countless of times. 

you end up posting on their fan forum with complaints and frustration all day long
 

Please see the picture already. 

Bye. 

11 minutes ago, EvanG said:

If you actually bothered to read my entire post, you would have read that I said I do this because I have some hope that someone finally reaches some understanding of how repetitive and annoying they are. But I guess I'm naive. Because me, and several other posters, have tried many times to explain this to you but you fail every time to comprehend.

 

Yet I've seen you type the same shit, maybe in a different context or with different words, countless of times. And I'm not the only one who noticed this and called you out on it. So we're all wrong, huh? That's strange!

I have never said this. You're confusing me with another poster. It's impossible to take you seriously if you can't even remember who said what.

 

How old are you?

I think I am beginning to understand now why you're so uptight and why GnR's abnormality gets to you so much.
It's great that you love this band so much, but I don't think it's healthy to invest so many emotions in a rock band.
When they don't do what you want, you end up posting on their fan forum with complaints and frustration all day long.
Oops...

Yeah, also explained this. You really should read a post before replying.

I don't have fun talking to you anymore because you can't understand simple shit and you don't seem to read my posts or confuse me with another poster. So I'm out.

Yeah, I confused the two things with someone else, sorry. Some of you have used the same sentences, but mea culpa. Other than that, my arguments still stand I’m afraid. And please don’t make this about me; several people get attacked by the local holy guard on a regular basis, not just me. You call me uptight, yet you’re the one constantly chastising someone for their opinions. Funny. 
Anyway, over and out. 

48 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Some people fail every time to understand what is being said. No one is attacking anyone's opinion. No one is saying you're not allowed to complain or give criticism. Personally, I agree with a lot of it and regarding no new music I even agree with the worst complainers on here. The only thing I have called them out on is the endless repetitiveness of the same complaint on a daily basis, which gets annoying. Yes, I can put them on ignore, which I have done with a few posters, but it doesn't always work because when they get quoted and you still have to scroll through their constant whining.

You're right, the topic changed to Aerosmith for a few posts, and I thought it was so funny and predictable that suddenly you of all people again had to throw in yet another ''GnR are so unproductive'' line for the umpteenth time. Like you couldn't accept that people weren't complaining about GnR for a few posts, so you had to remind everyone yet again about how unproductive they are. As if we had forgotten because we talked about Aerosmith for a few posts!

You say this a lot, but again you're missing the point. I am sure you have said positive things about this band. I mean, I assume you are a fan. But that doesn't take away the fact that you repeat yourself silly on a daily basis here. And that is what you are called out on. Nothing else. I suppose calling someone out on this is pointless, but I always have some hope that a poster like yourself will finally realize and reach the conclusion that ''yes, I do repeat myself a lot and I've already said this same thing 5,000 times before, maybe I should take it easy and relax a bit more''. But I guess my efforts are in vain.

I don't really see this happening. I think everyone knows this forum can be both positive and negative, and I think that's how it should be, especially regarding a band with as many flaws as GnR. Yes, sometimes there's too much negativity, at least in my opinion, but often it's quite positive too. During the European tour I think about 8 out of 10 posts seemed to be very positive.

No one is shutting anyone down. Again, people are reacting to the endless same old complaint from the same few posters because it gets really old.

The trouble with you is that you keep repeating the same while accusing others of doing the very same thing. I’ve already told you that barely anyone is repeating the same shit here every day, including me, but if you focus on it, then that’s what you’ll see, because more people comment on the situation, and it’s often dire. You say people are missing the point while you’re missing the point. You’re the one who keeps repeating literally the same sentences (about 4 times today), while I pointed out all I did was mention Ozzy’s new album – for one time and one time only. And then the police came out of the woodwork. 

And it’s not "people are reacting to the endless same old complaint from the same few posters because it gets really old". No, it’s actually the same few posters are reacting endlessly to quite a number of people who complain occasionally, and when combined with other people, it may look like everything they say is negative. That's what gets really old. For the umpteenth time. 

I don’t know what else to say other than once again, put me (or whoever) on the ignore. You say that you’re interested in what people have to say, yet on the other hand you like to keep telling them what they should be saying. Something is off here. If you can’t endure the fact this is a free speech place and therefore some shit may get repeated (since there’s not much to talk about anyway), then maybe try the other forum, you’d love it there. You don’t see me endlessly reprimanding someone who repeatedly claims that Axl now sounds the same way he did a few years back, even though I think it’s nonsense, do you? I think that’s absurd, but it’s their business, and the last thing I’d do is tell them they should stop repeating that. Conversely, I wouldn't care if the situation was reversed. 
I’ve been a fan for three decades, been through heaven and hell with this band, defended Axl and/or the band when no one else would, translated tons of stuff for otherwise clueless people and fans, had own sites and a forum, was there for all those great moments, been a member of various sites and forums, had someone thank me in an introduction to a book about GNR/UYI (all in a different language, don’t even bother asking for links), and the last thing I need now is some forum policeman telling me what to think or what to say. 

Smoke a blunt, man. 

39 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

Fernando has gone awful quiet actually….he was active on Discord/Reddit and can’t say I’ve seen anything from him in ages? Yes - much of what he said hasn’t come to fruition…still the move to radio silence is odd.

Yeah, then again, we know who calls the shots, don't we. But I'd say we could ascribe this to touring. There's no need to say anything as long as something is happening. But if there was a half-year concert inactivity, I'd bet he'd surface again for a bit of "yes, no, we'll see". 

1 hour ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

I think Axl and Fernando are just sitting back laughing their asses off at this thread

Axl can, but I don’t think Merchnando should be laughing at anything here. Wherever I remember that "yes, no, maybe" and other famous stunts of this genius people’s man and manager of the year (not to mention the TB vs. YT saga), it’s us who should actually laugh (better than crying anyway)! 

7 hours ago, Rovim said:

honestly, it's you who seem to have an issue with my opinion which is that repeating the exact same shit everyday is pointless. It's a cheap tactic to label my opinion as policing just because you don't like it. Please show me where I said anyone was wrong for having a different opinion than mine. All I said was that I personally don't feel the need to point out how shit Axl is at releasing music until I'm blue in the face and that you do what you need to do to get whatever you want out of it.

7 hours ago, Rovim said:

I don't find the thread boring, I find repeating the same shit over and over again boring. It's not just you, it's 2 or 3 other people so thanks, I will.

I think you’re still missing the point, though. There’s not really any "repeating the exact same shit every day". Different people from different time zones come here at different times, saying different things. And yes, since many affairs surrounding the band suck, people will complain. Trouble is, you keep perceiving it as one unit, like I’ve said before. But these people also say other things, which you don’t see, since you’re not focusing on that. And as the band doesn’t deliver, some complaints are bound to appear every day – therefore, you’ll inevitably get the feeling that it’s the same shit every day, while it’s just not, plain and simple. 
And it’s funny how you keep telling people how they should come to terms with the fact Axl works in mysterious ways, yada yada, but you yourself can’t seem to be able to come to terms with the fact some people (especially when there are dozens of them active every day) will always say something negative, reflecting the reality. 
Maybe you should put them all on the ignore list and make yourself a nice little HTGTH out of this place, just for your convenience. 
Plus, that constant complaining about constant complaining – read up on irony, will you? It’s literally you who keeps repeating even the same sentences over and over, see above. 
Peace, and skip some shit if it bothers you that much. 

14 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I think that maybe you're missing the point here: whenever you compare Axl Rose to any other musician, you've already made a comparison that doesn't work. It's really the same shit with a different name. It's the same old "why can't Axl be like those other people? look! they're doing it so easily!"

but Axl is not Ozzy, Flea, or any other person that doesn't have his issues with releasing new shit so I think the problem here is simply that some posters just refuse to accept this fact and expect something from Axl just because others do it. Not how it works. If it did, we would have had a lot more Gn'R albums by now.

I get your point, but at least if they didn't come up with such lame excuses, you know? But that brings one down back to the genius management again. 

1 minute ago, Rovim said:

pointing out the same thing over and over again is not fun. We already know. It's like a boring coping mechanism posts from posters who refuse to accept that this shit is not going to change.

The trouble is, you’re taking all this as a single unit. But different people write different stuff (about different artists). E.g. I’ve never seen Ozzy’s new album being mentioned here. But if you take this whole thing as like a single "enemy" or something, then yeah, it may seem repetitive. However, not everyone will go through the entire forum to check whether someone didn’t happen to have already written what this person wants to post now, so there you go. It’s not you vs. one big evil fan who operates through the brains of several posters here; it’s individualities. 

5 minutes ago, Rovim said:

TB doesn't decide. Axl decides and by now I think we had enough time to accept that he's very bad at releasing new music, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

But that's not the point at all! The point was the ridiculousness of the excuse, nothing less, nothing more. 

1 minute ago, Draguns said:

We'll have to respectfully disagree with each other on this. From what I have seen over the last 6 years being on here is constant complaining and negativity from the same people.  I don't think you or other realize this that it makes the forum not good.  I agree with you that it is perception. I just think that coming on here sometimes can be a downer. Something funny or a good thing occurs and then you have a bunch of people whining. Other people do notice it as well.

Btw, I don't know  where the ignore list button is. I tried looking for it and couldn't find it. 

Well yeah, there probably will always be people who’ll complain no matter what, but I don’t think there are too many. Otherwise I perceive it as a normal action-reaction scenario, and since the band operates the way it does, it’s hard to be mostly sunny, when it’s mostly cloudy, you know what I mean. Take me for example – yes I call them like I see them, but I’d bet ya people who’ll call me out on this will never notice when I say something nice. Like, for example, I’m one of the folks who have always been defending the amount of stuff Axl must have written in the CD years, as opposed to people who think that since the Village is all they know, the Village is all that exists. Yet does anyone of the local forum policemen notice that? Fuck no. Etc. 

As for the ignore thing, I don't know, I just know it exists. 

4 minutes ago, Rovim said:

but Axl is not Flea or any other "normal" musician. He is Axl and he sucks at releasing music. This is how its been for decades so will probably not change. The futility of that expectation seems to be lost on quite a few people around here. The repetitiveness is starting to feel somewhat Pele-esque.

It's not expectation, it's mocking of TB's very original excuses, that's all.  

Plus, how did this little conversation start? Folks were talking about Aerosmith, nobody bats an eye. Then a few posts about other artists releasing new shit appear and suddenly the justice league is here. As someone said above, take it light-heartedly. It’s just fun, yet you seem to be the ones who are frustrated, considering this as some horrible complaining. It’s just innocent pointing out things, isn't that allowed? 

6 minutes ago, EvanG said:

I have never seen anyone here ''defend the band to death''. Complete nonsense. Even someone like me, who is able to be critical but chooses not to concentrate on being negative all the time, has admitted a lot of times that it sucks that they don't release more music and that I wish the band was more ''normal'' like other bands. But it is what it is. I've come to accept this a long time ago. No point in repeating this at every opportunity.

It’s called hyperbole...
As I’ve written above, nobody is being negative all the time. But if that’s what you focus on then that’s the only thing you’ll see. And you’ll keep complaining about them keeping complaining...

9 minutes ago, Draguns said:

Honestly, who wants to hear negativity all the time. There's so much crap going on in the world now that you want to escape all that by discussing your favorite band. Let alone pressure you get from work and other things that goes on in life.

Are there things that Guns N' Roses need to improve upon? Absolutely!   Do the same people need to keep dwelling over and over again? No. Do people need to complain about a fun commercial that Slash just did? No. It's his life. 

When I was on the HTGTH website (still am I on that forum) during the NU-GNR era, there was a lot more things to criticize about. Jarmo didn't allow  it. That was one extreme.  This goes to the other extreme of always complaining. I'm critical of this website and some fans because of it.  Like I said in the beginning, it goes to who wants to hear constant complaining.

It is not negativity all the time, though. I think this forum is mostly positive – but it’s about what you focus on. You perceive everything around you being negative – well then, everything around you will be negative. Given the amount of suckery surrounding this band, it’s no mystery people are kinda displeased and talk about it. But that doesn’t mean they’re always negative. It is what it is. 
An by your token – do you need to read the whole thread about the Slash’s bank stunt? No. Do you notice when these “negative” people post something positive? No. 
Also, I can assure you MyGnr forum is definitely NOT "the other extreme" to HTGTH. There was (or is) a forum which was basically like "Axl’s fat and everything sucks". Don’t remember the name. Now that was the other extreme. This site is in a nice comfortable middle. And if it pains ya too much, you can always put these same culprits on the ignore list. 
Again, I wish folks would realize the irony of constant complaining about someone’s constant complaining...