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1 hour ago, jamillos said:

Wow, it was long ago and I forgot. Still, a lot of fillers, and the guitarist needs to play the guitar and leave the singing up to the singer. As for UYI, I don't think it's comparable. And I don't really perceive any songs as fillers tbh. But to each their own. 

I happen to like the guitarist's songs... "Lonely day" is one of my favourites. And why is it not comparable?? Because you like GNR more? When you call some of the SOAD songs "filler", then there certainly ones that compare as filler on UYI. But it's alright, all 4 albums are great as they are. Filler and all.

3 minutes ago, jamillos said:

I actually still haven't heard that record. I do believe that e.g. the last SOAD's record had a number of fillers and it would have been better way shortened. Anyway, I'm not afraid that would be GNR's case - I believe there's a lot of great material, old and new. 
Whether or not to release it all at once though, that's another question. I'd say one by one would be better, but this time it would need to actually come to fruition, and not like in the CD's case, when the "first part" was released and then we never saw the rest...

But SOAD's Mezmerize/Hypnotize was released half a year apart. And it's not like Use your illusion 1 and 2 don't contain filler.

2 hours ago, Rovim said:

limitations can be a powerful tool for a musician, but Axl doesn't seem to want to use it. His approach is the opposite of that.

He should though. Because otherwise he'll never get anything done and completed.

3 minutes ago, Rovim said:

A world apart from what you're suggesting.

You said it's impossible to be done. I merely showed you how it could be done. It's not unreasonable for whoever distributes the album to have a contract that specifies these specifics.

1 minute ago, Rovim said:

maybe so, but some people, like Axl, are in a position of power that allows them to make their own deadline. For better or worse.

Yes. And that power made him ruin his career and front a band which only has released 4 albums in 34 years.

6 minutes ago, Rovim said:

stop being so simple. Why would Axl relinquish control? how does that serve him? "there's no fuckin' deadline" Axl once said if I'm not mistaken. Unrealistic to expect Axl to agree to this contract imo.

As unrealistic to expect or demand a double album.

Edit: And well, some people need a deadline. Or you end up having an album every 30 years. Axl would be way more productive, if he actually had a deadline.

11 minutes ago, Rovim said:

a contract that prevents Axl from tinkering with Gn'R material? I'm sure he's going to sign no questions asked.

No. A contract that gives a record company these 20 songs at a certain time, for release at a set time. A deadline by which time tinkered songs have to be resubmitted, in case reception of the first album is piss poor and they want to change something, for release at the previosuly set time. Seriously now. Stop being so complicated.

11 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I don't think the album is ready, I think most of the material is completed by previous lineups and Axl seems to want to update it again with Slash and Duff so who knows how long it would take Axl to complete it again.

it would make way more sense to not trust Axl when it comes to multiple releases just cause he changes his mind often. I just don't trust him to follow through on a year apart release of a double album. Why give him the chance to not release half of it if there is enough material for a double.

Geez. When you're set to release a double album, you have to have at least 20 finished songs. So why not release 10 of those released songs now and put 10 away to release a year later?? If the songs are finished, they won't be meddled with either way, so you might as well hold some back and release them later. A contract that states as much and there would be no changing of the mind.

1 minute ago, Rovim said:

if the foundation is already laid for a lot of the material and I believe it is, then we are discussing the possibility of Axl completing it with the current lineup (Slash and Susan both confirmed the current band has worked on it) and giving a single release date for a double album when it's ready. If anything it should make it easier to release more tunes since Axl had 20 years to amass material.

If the album is ready, they could also release it half a year or a year apart. Which would make way more sense.

1 minute ago, Rovim said:

It's possible.

Yep. It's also entirely possible that none of these songs are really finished. 

10 minutes ago, Rovim said:

look at it this way: Chinese was supposed to be a double album (or at least more than 1 cd according to Tommy)

Duff has said more than once that Axl got a ton of unreleased material and by now I believe most of it is already completed (Chinese era version)

also only 1 album released in 30 years and Axl is not getting any younger. The advantage of releasing double the amount of material could be significant to the live shows too instead of waiting 5 or 10 more years to release another album that might never come and Axl could be too old to sing the shit out of it live like he did in 2006, 2007, and 2010 with Chinese.

it's not like they have to write another album just to make it a double release so if Axl releases just 1, it probably means a lot of great tunes would be just left in his hard drives.

 

But instead of releasing a double album it would just make more sense to release one album now and the other next year. They also can't just dump 10 new songs into a live set.

1 hour ago, Sweersa said:

Atlas Shrugged mostly sounds like Mickey Mouse. I'm not trying to be insulting to Axl, I actually like that voice. I can picture Mickey singing Atlas Shrugged and Eye On You, Riad, etc. 

Do you guys think Axl also calls that voice Mickey?  So, it's not Atlas shrugged, but Mickey sang. 

1 minute ago, allwaystired said:

I like biographies, but always get bored by the 'pre-fame' bits as, as you say, I think 'who cares'. I'm only really interested in a new perspective on the things they were doing when I was interested in them (i.e. the time they were in a band). The personal life thing doesn't hold much interest. 

Yeah. The worst thing is when they recount what their parents did before they were born.

1 hour ago, Rovim said:

I don't see how that's better. You seem to prefer nothing over something that you haven't even heard yet. Chinese was basically the same thing with Brain and Frank replacing Josh and Bucket, Fortus, and Bumble added to what was supposed to be only Paul and Robin initially. Maybe Slash can make it sound more organic just because he is a big part of the classic Gn'R sound.

some ideas look terrible on paper but they're just an approach that is taken for a good reason. (in Axl's case, I think that maybe he wants to connect a good idea with a good idea and he might not care that both are from totally different eras)

I wish Axl would just release the completed second half of Chinese without adding anything to it and would let the current lineup play new shit from scratch like you said, but my guess is Axl might view his best unreleased material as just good tunes that deserve to be a part of the next Gn'R album. Really gave the vibe in the China Exchange interview that if Slash and Duff want to be a part of it cool, if not, he's not going to scrap CD era material.

 

I wouldn't even mind using old ideas. If a song is good and fits within the GNR context, use it, by all means (only though if it is written by Axl). But rerecord it. Have current members give their input and not use shit by members who aren't in the band since +/- a decade.

As for CD2... that window has closed and only will open itself up again after Axl's death.

2 hours ago, 19AT5 said:

Hahaha! I'm not really into rock star autobiographies to be fair. I've read a few and they are all... meh. I'll remain ignorant on this! 

Yeah. The concept of the biography itself kinda always make me think "Why should I waste my life time to read about someone else's life? Who fucking cares?". I have bought Slash's biography and downloaded Duff's and Matt's biography ages ago, but other than a few pages, didn't read any of them yet. I did read some of Duff's though, while waiting for GNR to hit the stage (that kinda made sense). That said, I downloaded Steven Tyler's, Joey Kramer's  and Joe Perry's biographies as audiobooks and listened to them while doing other stuff. That worked.

1 hour ago, Sweersa said:

I wonder about that myself. 

If such an event happens, I wonder if they would use the CD-era guitar work from Robin, Bucket, Bumble, etc. 

I know my opinion is not shared by many here, but on an eventual new album, I believe at least some of Robin and Buckethead's material will be intact on that work. Much like many parts and even solos on CD were by Buckethead who had left years prior to release. Most casual fans won't know the difference anyways.

Best case, if all instrumental work is re-recorded, Slash does the Robin/DJ parts, and 4tus does the Buckethead parts. I hope they keep Brain on the drums like they did most of CD, but who knows. Frank will probably have a bigger presence on the next album. I didn't mind his work on CD, but it's really hard to replace Brain, who replaced Josh. What a mess of an album it will be, I fear. 

If the next album is CD2 material heavy (which I assume it is) many of the songs will be 15-20+ years old, so it will be worse than 2008's CD from an overproduction cut and paste standpoint, that is unless they strip the overly complex stuff down a bit, who knows. I would very much prefer they leave CD2 alone and do their own album, maybe turn both into a double album release. That would be a cool transition into the current lineup from an album standpoint. 

Well, if Slash leaves again, it's over.

And with all due respect, they (Axl) really can keep his CD 2 shit. The window for that is closed. He had 6 years to release that shit. If they do a new album with Slash, I want nothing of that crap and certainly no recordings of other musicians on it (wouldn't they have to pay those other musicians if they put out the stuff they've recordet?). I want a new album, played from scratch, by the people who are in the band now. Otherwise it's just better they keep on touring on the old stuff and release nothing at all.

8 hours ago, Towelie said:

Any good?

I don't know. It's not bad, I guess. But despite listening to it several times, there is no song that really, really grabs me or stands out. But the limited edition box set comes with a live Blu-Ray from his 2017 tour, which is pretty awesome.

17 hours ago, Subtle Signs said:

There were/are people willing to bet money that it won't happen. I'd like to bet them unless it's against forum rules. 

For what it's worth, under one of Meegan's post regarding a new Slash album I wrote, "Yeah. While the new GNR album will be made... never". To which she replied "Never say never". 

7 minutes ago, reayj2003 said:

Be good if they pushed Europe dates to later in the summer. 

Just today Aerosmith pushed their european tour to 2022. Queen+ did a while ago. I'm sure GNR will too and there will be no summer concerts this year.

3 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

To add to my point above:

Marvel seems to have set this weird precedent that every franchise needs a grandmaster plan now.

News flash: Marvel is the only one that does that shit, and even they don’t always know what the fuck they’re doing. They didn’t know they were doing Thanos until the first Avengers film was already in reshoots. The tesseract and Loki’s scepter had to be retconned into infinity stones. The cartoony-looking gauntlet in Thor 1 had to be retconned into a “decoy.” All the adult humor went away when the franchise moved from Paramount to Disney (after Captain America 1). Thor 3 has a completely different tone from the previous Thor films. Spider-Man Homecoming has a timeline miscalculation. Scarlet Witch’s accent is gone in Infinity War for no reason. And so on...

So yeah, the mcu “has a plan.” Ok!

Even more silliness. You really want to compare the consistency of 23 movies in the Marvel universe to 3 movies that make up the Star Wars sequels. I shudder how fucked up the Marvel universe would be if the Star Wars people would have been in charge.

3 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

Empire Strikes Back has way more issues then just that. Why did Han suddenly forget the lessons he learned in the first film and go back to wanting to run away? That quick line in the beginning of the movie about running into a bounty hunter doesn’t count. Show, don’t tell.

Why is Leia suddenly way less professional then she used to be? Kissing Luke just to make Han jealous? Falling for “bad boy Han” when he shows no signs of maturity? Kissing Luke yet again on the falcon after they rescue him from Vader (it happens really fast) even tho she already told Han she loved him by that point? I thought these people were supposed to be adults, not teenagers.

And then of course there’s the fact that “I am your father” made all this shit too much about family, and making the emperor into the one who corrupted Vader shrunk the universe too much (in the original novelization, the emperor was just a normal guy). So now all we gotta do is kill the emperor and everything is resolved? Then what? Sounds a little too finite, if you ask me.

Oh, and let’s not forget that, according to Empire Strikes Back, Jedi can use the force to move objects now (which was never in the first one). So the force is a super power now? What’s next? Force speed? Force projections? Force teleportation? Oh, wait...

Come on, guys. NONE of these movies have ever been all that good. It’s all a bunch of overrated nonsense. Go ahead and tell me I’m “not really a Star Wars fan.” You know what? Maybe I’m not, at this point!

Sorry. But all the points you raise are silly. And yes, the original trilogy is better than the dogshit the sequels turned out be.

11 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

So just because movie franchises weren’t a thing back then it gives the OT an excuse to be full of plot holes but not the ST? Who fuckin cares when these things were made? What matters is if they hold up long term. And personally, there’s nothing for me in the OT to really see it as any different or “more special” than the other two trilogies. But I recognize that I’m the minority in that regard.

Yes. Along with everything else I wrote. And I dispute that it is "full of plotholes". The only thing that stands out (if you want to be overtly critical) is that Luke and Leia weren't supposed to be sibblings . And that the first movie was made to work as a stand alone. And even if it were as you say, 40 years and billions of dollars later, we are well within our rights to expect them to be way better in the execution and planning of those movies.

2 hours ago, reayj2003 said:

Were you there? I went to both and they were awesome. 

Yeah. It's always funny when people, who weren't at the show, judge it.

On 9/11/2020 at 6:20 PM, rocknroll41 said:

I really don’t get this mentality. Do people forget that Luke and Leia CLEARLY were not meant to be siblings until Return of the Jedi? Yoda even tells Luke to let Leia die in Empire Strikes Back, only for her to then be revealed to be the “other hope” that he was talking about anyways. If she was the “other” Hope, why would Yoda be ok with her potentially dying in the previous movie? That’s a huge plot hole that nobody ever talks about. Just another example of how the original trilogy is held to unfairly high standard because nostalgia has clouded all of our judgements nowadays.

Oh, for fucks sake. Lucas wasn't a billion dollar company at that point. Movie franchises weren't a thing and he didn't set out to do a trilogy. He was glad he could do 1 movie. Then he was glad he could do a second. Then came a third. Also it's 40 years ago. So you're comparing apples with oranges. Also if Leia can't help herself, then she's not worth of being the "hope".  And she ended up saving Luke, didn't she. Also it's better to have potentially one dying instead of two.

On 2/17/2021 at 5:24 AM, ZoSoRose said:

Say what you want about TLJ's writing, but I think it is by far one of the best looking Star Wars films to date. The cinematography is top notch and he actually takes his time to let key scenes breathe

My enjoyment of TLJ aside, I don't think he will end up doing another Star Wars movie let alone three. Episode VIII is just too divisive

Even though he gave us the stupid force projection fight and the silly space float, at this point, I'd rather see a Johnson trilogy than another Abrams Star Wars.

9 hours ago, Twinaleblood said:

Any chance you're talking about one of Paul McCartney's concerts in Italy?

Nope, Hollywood Vampires. But it's by the same promoter, D'Alessandro e Galli. Fucking assholes.