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12 hours ago, janrichmond said:

@action have you ever spoken to a woman who is not a family member?  Your thoughts on how women think are laughable.

how do women think, then?

3 hours ago, downzy said:

Worst. Take. Ever.

Unsurprisingly, you must not be familiar with W.A.P.

Do yourself a favour and go watch literally any hip hop or pop video from the last five years. 

 

tell me then, what metoo has done to benefit the sexual freedom of women? In what ways, has metoo made it easier for women to find a sexual partner?

The flower power movement, you know, your parents, have taken care of that.

what has metoo done to improve on that?

how are company guidelines, that forbid sexual relations on the workfloor, in any way benefitting the liberty and freedom of choice of women?

metoo seems to present, that women are asexual beings who do not want sexual relations with colleagues. This is hopelessly out of touch. This is only only one example of a direct shift to a more conservative society where women are restricted. 

35 minutes ago, janrichmond said:

Are you really this stupid? You have to be trolling because if you actually do think like that then you need to get outside and mix with real people. 

there is nothing progressive about the metoo movement, it's really a conservative, backwards movement. the net result is less sexual freedom, the freedom that women fought for in the late 60s. We're straight back to the 50s. If Elvis came on television today, they'd film his from the waist up again. And then, they'd call him a sexual predator on social media.

sexual morals have certainly changed, but for the worse

metoo has effectively catapulted us back to paulian christian morals. Flirting is out of the question, sex between man and woman is taboo and evil.

then you've got the LGBT movement, for whom hetero sex is not part of their vocabulary anyway.

the result of all of this?

men afraid to flirt with women and women being told they should act like a victim when the subject of flirting

the progressive movement of the late 60s, a real progressive movement, has been expertly deconstructed.

all that's missing , is women wearing a burqua

I don't believe there exists such a thing as universal morals, neither in time, neither in space.

Morals change per individual. Acting morally, is acting according to your own personal set of moral rules. If you can look in the mirror every day, live without regrets, then nobody should tell you, you acted wrongly. I also believe, this is the way people will be judged in the afterlife. God does not bother with man made morals that are enforced in a given society. It would be a silly concept, if you think of it. As if, god would judge the mayans more harshly for sacrificing people. Universal morals do not exist.

Everyone has their "personal" god that follows them their entire life, kind of like the concept of "karma" in some cultures; and I fully subscribe to that theory. To me, it's pretty obvious what is good and what is wrong. I seem to be disagreeing a lot lately, with the "modern victim crowd" about morality though. The above theory could provide a solution to that problem.

29 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

@downzy

@janrichmond

@Powerage5

@Dazey

@alfierose

It's all well and good wagging fingers at me for my temper or saying swears but he's literally harrassing me over a long period of time and pushing me to it with his abnormal, creepy, obsessive behaviour.

Either back me on this and going forward I'll be quite happy for the drama free solution of him being banned from talking to me or about me.

Or don't back me on this and therefore compell me to have to leave. It's beyond the pale. Up to you guys.

he's gotten away countless of times, calling people morons. that, among many other examples of trolling the entire board. Don't see reason why they should start to care now. If anything, I suspect you'll be the one getting warned, or me.

you're just his latest pet toy. painfull to watch.

it's this type of people that are welcomed around here; why, I have no clue.. Figures. The board has been running empty for years now, and it's all because of people like him.

9 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

^^^ She's a senior minister, Co-Leader of the New Zealand Green Party. She attended in support of the recent unruly abusive LGBTQ tranny protest which, with violence and intimidation, stopped that white British feminist from speaking.

@action

Look at this video to witness the hypocrotical hatred of the woke movement lmao. I actually really like NZ's current Primeminister Chris Hipkins, he's a good bloke. But he is really fucking things up by not forcing her to apologise and resign. Makes him look bad imo. We have an election coming up ffs I don't want the scumbags on NZ's conservative side to win.

It's worth noting that her claim, that violence here is all down to straight white men aka 'The Colonizers'...is total fucking nonsense. Maori and Pacific Islanders do so much domestics/violent crime that it's common knowledge.

"Māori are overrepresented at every stage in the criminal justice system. Māori are 37% of people proceeded against by Police, 45% of people convicted, and 52% of people in prison. This is despite Māori being only approximately 15% of the New Zealand population." And because of this uncomfortable situation, they are going overboard and are misguidedly too soft on crime and often doing a Maori-community-driven catch and release approach. Maori even want their own Maori justice system just for them because they claim being subjected to the normal justice system is racist because it was created by white men lol. Amazing.

she can be your new minister of the green party:

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3 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

^^^ She's a senior minister, Co-Leader of the New Zealand Green Party. She attended in support of the recent unruly abusive LGBTQ tranny protest which, with violence and intimidation, stopped that white British feminist from speaking.

@action

Look at this video to witness the hypocrotical hatred of the woke movement lmao. I actually really like NZ's current Primeminister Chris Hipkins, he's a good bloke. But he is really fucking things up by not forcing her to apologise and resign. Makes him look bad imo. We have an election coming up ffs I don't want the scumbags on NZ's conservative side to win.

It's worth noting that her claim, that violence here is all down to straight white men aka 'The Colonizers'...is total fucking nonsense. Maori and Pacific Islanders do so much domestics/violent crime that it's common knowledge.

"Māori are overrepresented at every stage in the criminal justice system. Māori are 37% of people proceeded against by Police, 45% of people convicted, and 52% of people in prison. This is despite Māori being only approximately 15% of the New Zealand population." And because of this uncomfortable situation, they are going overboard and are misguidedly too soft on crime and often doing a Maori-community-driven catch and release approach. Maori even want their own Maori justice system just for them because they claim being subjected to the normal justice system is racist because it was created by white men lol. Amazing.

"white colonisers"

however, today, slavery still exists in africa and the middle east, with boko haram and IS fresh in the memory. 

Yet, it's the white who have to apologize for slavery that happened 200 years ago.

"the morals of christianity" are a mixture of celtic, pagan, egyptian, roman, assyrian, tibethan and platonic theories and concepts.

it's curious, how christianity is diabolised today, as the ultimate symbol of white culture.

Christianity, let's not forget, started on the very same spot as islam, and judaism (the temple mount). Why do you think it's always war over that hill?

This curious hatred towards christianity that morons display, is a pathetic attempt to attack western culture, ignoring that christianity didn't even start in the west.

17 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

If you are talking about "meaning of life", then I don't think the realization that we haven't been created by a god and that we aren't put on earth to fulfil some theistic purpose, would be a problem to people and eventually lead to the downfall of society. You would have to be a pretty empty person to find no point in life if you realized gods don't exist and that there is no exterior meaning to why you are alive.

With "downfall of society" I suppose you mean that without gods we would descend into lawless anarchy, which indicates you think we only follow laws out of fear of godly damnation or that morals can only come from theistic beliefs, which is a pretty bleak thing to think and also not supported through empirical evidence. Secular societies also have law an order; atheists also follows the laws of the land and are endowed with morals, both genetically encoded (like empathy) or taught to us from our parents. To think that only the fear of god's anger is what keeps us at check and prevents us from descending into barbarians, is a pretty revealing thing to suggest and quite scary actually. Hopefully it is more indicative of half-baked thoughts than someone being devoid of morals or respect for secular laws.

without the concept of a god, it becomes very difficult to defend morals.

morality does not exist in a natural state; it is a man made concept, an illusion

who decides these morals?

note, that moral rules change over time and over context.

So if you claim that someone is "devoid" of morals, you need to specify which morals. Because everyone lives by their own moral rules, at least. You can disagree with those individual morals, you can impose a different body of morals, but then you would have to provide some sort of legitmacy for your own set of morals (which, I repeat, change over time and place).

If you truly believe, that there is no god, there is no afterlife, then it would be stupid to follow the morals of someone else. It's then better, to follow your own moral rules. you will get riches and success, far easier when you don't follow the morals of the group, but rather your own. Being altruistic, is detrimental to personal gain.

24 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

And that isn't a problem to most people. 

it isn't?

you wouldn't tell, seeing the massive amount of people with mental issues and depression

everyone around me is exhausted, depressed and unhappy. on social media, it's nothing but doom and gloom.

so many people advocating tolerance. well, intolerance has never been worse than it is today.

people with stable happy lives, are the absolute exception.

of course, there's people who find meaning in belittling other people, while at the same time claiming to care about other people, caring about their wellbeing. there's plenty of psychopaths like those too. They're so miserable, they have to drag other people with them, in their misery

19 minutes ago, Chris1989 said:

There are no answers to that, but we prefer not to know or accept that, because otherwise there would be a downfall of society.

It's an inconvenient truth.

Religion was created by the rich and educated to control the lower classes.

our modern religion basically started in egypt, at the time of the farao's.

islam, christianity and judaism all incorporate egyptian elements in their religion (the flood and noah's ark, adam and eve, etc)

At the time of the farao's, the afterlife was aimed at the higher class (and then, only the farao's), not the lower classes. it did not really serve a purpose to control the lower classes. but then, the lower class didn't need to be controlled either, as egyptian society at that time was a good functioning, happy place to be.

It's only during the middle ages, thousands of years after religion was "created", that heaven and hell were used to tell the lower classes, they would receive paradise in the afterlife

8 hours ago, Dazey said:

Bollocks!

then tell me,

what's your meaning of life? what will happen with you after you die? with your wife? your daughter?

why is there evil on earth? why do bad people get away with bad stuff.

tell me, mr scientist. any article in nature or the lancet that can provide an answer to that? it's important questions, perhaps the most important questions there are.

with religion out of the window, people have no sense of a meaning of life anymore.

Some people thought all the answers would come from science, but that has turned out not to be the case.

everyone sits behind their smartphones, but nobody is talking to each other anymore.

paradoxally, with people always on social media, loneliness is at an all time high. 

in sociology, this is called the "atomisation" of society. Groups do not really exist anymore, individualism reigns. Social media is no substitute for human interaction.

Social media is also responsible for moronic views becoming the norm, and the whole of society conforming to minority views. Nobody is happy as a consequence. The majority, because they are diabolised; and the minorities, because their demands are not met enough.

if religion still was a thing, people would at least find some answers there. 

So I dont know what's supposed to give people meaning anymore. Certainly not a smug, fraudulent scientist.

personally, I find a lot of answers in religion. But not the religion of the church. Catholicism is not synonymous with religion. There is religion out there, for everyone's taste and needs

21 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I love life but I'm not attached to it in an unhealthy way. I'm frightened of dying but not of death itself.

this is pretty much the way neo-platonists, gnostics and buddhists live

if you're too attached to life, and the material world, and money and stuff, your soul is not ready to reach the "pleroma"

life is some kind of purgatory for the soul; there are so many things in the world that are bad for us, which makes us feel deep down that we don't belong here. And we're right; we don't belong here. This is the realm of evil forces. In order to escape them in the afterlife, you need to let go. Let go of bad things, money, materialism etc. If you're not ready, they'll keep you a little longer on here, in the form of reincarnation.

7 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Society lacking core foundational things such as morals, honesty, compassion, common sense etc makes me very concerned for kids growing up amongst the chaos. It makes me want to not have kids. If I do I'll have to homeschool them.

I don't mean this in a depressed way, I don't want to die before my time - but when that time comes I think I'll be glad to leave this corrupt messed up world behind.

my grandfather said to my dad, in the 60s, that the world is fucked up and he was glad he was that old already

my dad told me, in the 90s, there was no morals and discipline amoung youngsters anymore

I'm telling my son today, the world is full of sock walkers and good-for-nothings

moral of this story: our standards constantly change. Every generation thinks, there is a movement towards more insecurity and instability, and that it was better before. But if it was better, before, then why is every generation saying the same thing?

I some ways, we have it better than ever. In other ways, we clearly don't.

2 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

The real tragedy of all this, that woke people like SoulMonster and downzy don't seem to grasp, is that the consequences of all this woke shit is far greater than annoying white men like you and me.

Many transgenders, even after transitioning, kill themselves. Woke people look at this whole sad situation and declare with wide smug grins "Let's force everyone to pretend it's normal. Let's subject children to this."

Honestly, if I was religious I'd consider this shit demonic. It is against nature. It is anti-male. It is anti-female. It is anti-humanity. On all levels it disgusts me and I consider it to be wildly mentally deranged bordering on evil.

earth is certainly governed by demonic powers. "god" does not interfere with our daily lives, evil does.

but make no mistake; everything happens according to god's plan, regardless. How that works in detail, I don't know either. nobody does.

forces trying to get children on hormones and gender surgeries: that's demonic powers at work. "Woke" movie makers including black women in movies but only when they're ugly and unlikeable: closet racists at work. Forces making a mockery of gay people by making them participate in ridiculous parades: closet homophobes at work.

A "real" woke person, would treat all races and sexual preferences, with respect, dignity and balance. Most wokists, however, are sheep in wolve's clothes 

Trans people should get psychological help, not surgeries. Their problem is not of a physical matter; it's of a psychological matter.

There is nothing beautiful about a person who was "shaped" into the opposite sex by some physical surgeon. The results are man made, and therefore flawed (not to say, grotesque). It can never reach the standards of nature. Also, these surgeries cost society a lot of money, and takes away capacity to treat other diseases.

I see no reason to seek new words for "man" and "woman".

there are enough new words, and forbidden words, as it is. This "newspeak" movement is getting out of control.

Gender, defined as the role we take in society, is a totally man made, imaginary concept. The definition given to it by wokists, largely does not meet the reality of society.

When wokists want to "give more rights" to women, they mean; give them equal roles as men. They think, they are being progressive this way. What they dont realise, it that the gender roles they so despise, are a product of the progressive sixties (the most progressive movement in recent history). Prior to the progressive sixties, women indeed had the same roles as men. they worked on the field, they worked in the factory plants, just the same as men. Children too, from the age of 7. This led to much social injustice, because women are generally weaker than men, and this in disadvantage when it came to hard work.

So this so called progressive movement of today, is in reality a backwards movement, and a toxic present.

I know many women, who like being at home when the man is out working. So they can take care of the household and the child. The happiest people were those of the sixties, where these roles were attributed. Today though, families are broken up, and there is a general wave of depression in society. That's why I am against equal roles for men and women, and against the newly defined gender roles.

when sexual preference and gender are mixed up, you know any sense of ratio and logic is being thrown out of the window 

only certain types of snails are truly "gender fluid". Not really an animal you'd like to be associated with. Unless you want to be known as a "human snail".

male - female is the core principle of biology; fauna and flora. That's the duality, biology created through evolution, to benefit the survival of the species.

The concept of "gender fluidity" is not grounded in reality. it can not be proven scientifically. It's basically a religion; a belief. and like every religion, it leads to intolerance and violence.

males have XY chromosome, women XX.

two genders, it's that simple.

all the other letters are made up, social constructs. It's fine to pretend these exist, in a social context, but claiming it's biology is like being a creationist, or denying the earth is round

7 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

What are these called? They're nice.

hyacinths

here are the ones in my garden, next to my celtic standing stone (this stone is in our family since I was a kid; we needed 4 men to move it) 

the one on the left seems a bit unhappy. I've urinated on it, to give it some nutricients. Maybe that will give it some strenght

1 hour ago, Oldest Goat said:

What kind of flowers?

these

they always come back every year when you planted them, when the winter is over it's coldest period

it's a colorfull announcer of spring