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Does it give you IRS vibes?

They were Axl spoke about it in 2008 made it seem a few years ago. I'm guessing 2003 or 4. After the 2002 tour ended in December didn't he disappear and the band members didn't hear from him. I doubt he rushed in to the studio. 2003 seems fairly productive, I think the latter batch of vox comes from then for stuff like Better and Sorry. The 2006 leaks stem from that sort of timeframe too, 2003 or 4 incarnations of those songs. So I'd say 2003 or 4 for these vocals on the new ones.

True. I just find it interesting from the Beltrami part perspective. The strings link the two songs and pats are in both. It's all very confusing though as Axl reffered to Soul Monster as a separate song as did Bach for General. I'm not so sure, Beltrami's parts were done in 2002 and he mentioned working on Gen and Leave (Soul Monster) separately. Yet they're the same strings? Just variations of the melody but clearly the same overall. So confusing.

But then why has it got the same strings in places, the same chord progression in parts. The strings that we were told were from the General were actually from both combined in a 3 or so minute piece.

Is it not The General though. If it's one song, a suite almost. The cell phone recording is the second half of the song. Either way we now know the classic concert intro was strings from both parts, not just the General.

Can someone remind me where Ides of March and Beta's Barn came from. As in when we learnt of them. I know Barn was a Pitman comment wasn't it? Down By The Ocean too, I can't remember where that first came from either.

It's throughout both parts.

Well, we weren't that off. It's one song overall with two distinct parts connected by similar chords and the orchestral part. So while people are saying the cell phone clip wasn't the general, of course it is. It's just the second half.

2001-2

The general was very close to being released with no leak in fairness.

Not sure if it's been mentioned but the band have acknowledged the delay on Instagram with an apology saying it was due to the 'quality'.

The General is top tier guns!

The way the bass in the breakdown around 7.10 goes in the bridge is superb. A Christmas card of pure venom! Played it 3 times so far. New favourite. It's everything combined that I love about the CD era. Dark, drum beats, sinister guitars, electronics...

Exactly. I love that Beltrami's strings are woven throughout both parts. It's one song with two halves. The two distinct string parts we all know now make sense. The slow sweeping strings in Monsters and the more stacato parts in The General

Amazing. Exactly as I expected. But just imagine the Buckethead and Robin version...

A lot of us have felt this way since 2011. Yet we all keep coming back, there's something addictive about the neverending dissapointment.

Perhaps is most likely the more commercial.

I think this is spot on. All Duff and Slash have done is re-do existing parts. The songs were like that years before they did their parts, they haven't restructured anything. I'd love to hear Hard Skool as it existed back in 2006ish. Perhaps has probably been very similar throughout its various versions. It'd be nice to hear Bucket on it though.

I disagree, you can clearly hear Axl as can others.

Why? You can hear from the mobile clip it's an epic.

Maybe a separate thread can be made for 'Was Perhaps known about prior to 2019' so we can focus on The General over the next few days.

And they didn't even bother to make a radio edit for the song. So lazy. Like radio in the UK were going to play a minute of ambient noise before the song kicks in. I've seen people suggest it was artistic statement, as if Axl specifically wanted the minute long opening to be heard on radios around the world. No, the label just picked the song as is and put it out as a single. Axl had nothing to do with it and had disappeared by Oct 2008.

I don't remember Perhaps being on it though. Regardless MSL is an example of what Guns does to its fans. Drives them mad through lack of new music combined with something addictive about the whole charade.

We're still yet to see any proof for this. Remember Fortus in 2014 wasn't aware of any song that had the lyrics to Hard Skool after a fan asked him if he'd worked on it and read him the lyrics (from the 17 second clip we had at that point) So why would he remember a working title like D Tune. Also, really looking forward to that end of the General is SOG posts. Sadly I think once it's released people will still bang on about how it still COULD be. Yeah, if we're using the Triggers Broom hypotheses... (One for the UK posters there)

I agree with this. I think this will be the last one. Maybe when they return in 2025 we might get Atlas.