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A good point. A few are 'blues-y' though. Dust n Bones springs to mind.

I don't mind Frank. He does his job and never moans. Compare to Bumble. Reading the excellent a-4-d history of the band, by the time you get to the 2011 chapter through 2014 it's essentially just endless Bumblefoot posts whining and moaning. About he he shouldn't have gone on tour, feeling the fans frustration, not putting out new music, how the cd material was just leftovers from a band that doesn't exist, frustration with management and so on. Happy to stay and get paid though 'ey. While Frank might not be the most talented drummer they've had, he's given stability to the band and is professional when it comes to interviews.

It was more the drum sound on the album that I thought was bland, particularly on the title track. Compare to the 'new Brain drums' cd from the locker discs. Now we're talking. They knocked all the life out of that song in particular.

Frank's additions to CD seemed to be the ones that stood out the most. In a pointless sort of way. It's surprising how quick Axl decided to feature him after playing half the summer 2006 tour and getting him in the studio just after. Despite all that effort in having Brain redo the drums multiple times, the big room sound, spending years trying to get the Smells Like Teen Spirit snare sound on the title track only to get Frank in with a pretty bland drum sound. Especially on IRS where his parts total under a minute.

That thing about Slash wanting to turn up and somehow looking like the good guy, all media jumping on Axl saying what a dick for not letting him in sums up Slash in that era of backhandedly making Axl look bad. Why would Axl be okay with him being there. Its not rocket science to understand why that would've been a distraction.

When did the leaks happen that year? Feb 2006 wasn't it? It was before I became a fan but early 2006 must've been so exciting with Axl on Eddie Trunk, the tour announced, the leaks and those Hammerstein shows. But most of all, that first article and the pics of him with his braids tied back for the first time. He was back.

Oh I'd put money on it. Imagine how cool that'd sound. Basically replace the fuzzy low synths with some sleazy Bucket power chords.

It's a Pitman song with Bucket overdubs. Sean Beaven did the vocals so could have been early 2000, sorry I should've noticed my mistake. There are no new vocals on the album version compared to the 2000 era mix we have.

I laughed at the "I know" part. Oh 4tus

We need a timeline of every song and every period it was expanded on and someone added a part. Some of the songs we know enough about to be able to put something like this together i.e TWAT and Madagascar.

I'd rather CD material. With the Slash and Duff parts as we've seen so far. Are they/ain't there vocals on this leftover material aside, I'd like to see the other handful of songs we've been obsessed with for years. Seven, Thyme, Zodiac, Quick, Atlas and Berlin. Then the never confirmed titles like Cuban and Tonto. And don't forget Beta's Barn. If they don't have vocals, finish those before moving on. Then we can finally put that era to bed.

Silkworms is interesting, the version we have from the locker discs has no guitars and no chorus.

I always say 2006 was the last time they could have put CD out and it have been a genuine hit. Better too. They were on fire, Axl on absolute peak form. Better was even getting radio play. Just needed a video and a release with maybe a live track. And they blew it, just to add Bumbles parts which were one part too many and Frank, completely unnecessary.

ITW, SOD and IRS were all recorded, vocally in 99. Apart from the ending of SOD. Better from 2002/2003

Just watched The Gen from the this show, Slash looks like he's really concentrating. I love it. Axl sings it as good as can be expected.

Nothing is just a sketch. I'm confused why anyone would put it as a potential track for an album. It's the OMG drum loop with some scratch vocals. Aside from that I can't see how that melody could be turned in to a Guns track. But there's others from the discs too that wouldn't work and probably got dropped, mostly the Bucket and Brain stuff like Real Doll. Bits of those tracks could work though. The sleazy Browns style rif in Dub Suplex at 1.30 is cool.

The next part of the tour was a lot of festivals, Axl knows the majority of the crowds wanted to hear the classic stuff. He's not silly. I think they had a good balance for an album that wasn't out yet.

I'd go with it being a pipe dream. State of Grace seems to have been forgotten along the way. Berlin on the other hand....

Yeah it clearly has verse chorus structure.

Don't agree with the tracklist change idea but I do agree with the old guff about the best songs being on CD. Obviously if Axl intended it on being two records he'd have a balance between the two of big guns and lesser songs. Thyme particularly excited me, what a great orchestral piece this could be from Beltrami. The demo we have has some really poor synth strings. But the melody is there. Imagine over the top swooping and grandiose strings! Then bam, PRL...

I've often wondered about how perfect it all seems that we had 19 discs of stuff leak then start getting finished versions of the songs with vocals from those discs. Stuff seemingly finished by Slash n Duff after they leaked... Or because they leaked? The current General and Monsters leak seems... I dunno, suspect?

The RTB era is interesting as we can tell from the locker discs they weren't recording new vocals. They had the Beaven stuff with vocals and were focusing on new instrumentals with Bucket, rerecording the drums with Brain. Seems to be the agenda from 2000 in to 2001. RTB leaves and they work on turning new instrumentals into songs. See 3 Dollar Pyramid, General etc. 2002 was spent doing that, adding 4tus. Then the tour. 2003 or 4 would be adding vox to these new songs - Scraped, General, Monsters, Better and so on. The locker discs really helped give us clarity as to where they were by autumn 2001.

The ending part of Street of Dreams, the "it was a long time" parts on TWAT, last line of the title track. Basically anything that wasn't present on the MSL and 2008 leaks. Shacklers was one of the last but I think Axls comments about it being inspired by the school shooting that year may have been confused. People assume it was done after the Virginia shooting but that's not what Axl said. "Shackler's was inspired by the insanity of senseless school shootings and also the media trying desperately to make more out of one shooter's preference for the Guns song Brownstone to no avail." So lump it in with Scraped and Sorry as the last ones done for the record.

Probably around the same time he did Shacklers, Better, Sorry, Scraped and Monsters. 2003, 2004, 2005. The session in early 2007 for vocals was just tidying stuff up and adding little bits n bobs wasn't it, 'jumping from song to song' as it was described. And knowing how they double tracked parts on Hard Skool rather than do new vocals shows be hasn't been back to work on any of this stuff. Despite 4tus saying he's been in the studio every year doing vocals. Oh 4tus.

Wasn't it highly likely Azoff sabotaged the release and promo in order to force Axl in to a reunion.