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I’m pretty sure Steven stopped caring about GnR as soon as his newest singer (the guy from Argentina) joined his band back in late 2018/ early 2019. That guy does Axl better than Axl these days.

You’re not wrong. That said, my “headcanon” solution is to consider stuff like Snakepit, VR and SMKC as part of the GnR “story.” For me, that new blues album that Slash is doing is “the new album.” That said, if you’re one of those people that feels GnR begins and ends with Axl, then it’s probably better to just view AFD, UYI and CD as a “trilogy,” of sorts.

Since when did the background video for HardSkool change? I was looking at a recent performance of it and it’s a video of the school of athens crumbling or something. That’s kinda funny, considering that the school of athens is also where the UYI artwork comes from.

Yeah it sounds like, for a long time, EVH was fine with VH3 being his last album. He had to be convinced to do ADKoT. Similarly, Kiss considered Psycho Circus to be their swan song for a long time. They only made Sonic Boom in an attempt to try to end on a higher note, and then somehow made an album that was even worse, so they had to go make Monster too (thankfully that one was good). And then there’s Billy Joel, who’s been a self-proclaimed nostalgia act since 1993. The point is that a lot of these people “run out of gas” once they hit a certain age. Axl is no different.

Yeah and for some reason Roy Thomas Baker referred to it as “single-worthy.”

Oh if we’re discounting covers then it’s: AFD: 12 Lies: 5 UYI: 27 End of Days: 1 CD: 14 AFD Deluxe: 4 (SOYL, The Plague, New Work Tune, Aint Goin Down instrumental) HS EP: 2 UYI Deluxe: 2 (Drum Solo and Slash Solo) So 65 original-written songs released under the GnR name. 67 if you count Drum Solo and Slash Solo (lol).

Thanks! Yeah I felt weird counting stuff like Drum Solo and Slash Solo, but technically with the UYI reissue those count as “songs” now.

Both songs have pros and cons, imo. Atlas has a stronger chorus but weaker verses, whereas Perhaps is the opposite.

AFD: 12 Lies: 7 UYI: 29 TSI: 13 End of Days: 1 Live Era: 1 GH: 1 CD: 14 AFDem: 4 (The Seeker, Another Brick in the Wall, Objectify, Motivation)* AFD Deluxe: 7 (SOYL, Rosie, Heartbreak Hotel, Jumpin Jack Flash, The Plague, New Work Tune, Aint Goin Down instrumental) HS EP: 2 UYI1 Deluxe: 2 (Always on the Run and Wild Horses) UYI2 Deluxe: 5 (Drum Solo, Slash Solo, Speak Softly, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Train Kept a-Rollin’) UYI Deluxe “teases”: 4 (Voodoo Child, Hotel California, Only Women Bleed, I Was Only Joking) *There was a limited-release CD version of the AFDem bluray, so it technically counts, despite not being on streaming services. Total GnR songs on streaming services counting teases: 102 Total GnR songs on streaming services NOT counting teases: 98 Total GnR songs counting both teases and the AFDem CD: 106 Total GnR songs counting the AFDem CD but NOT teases: 102 And I guess the Tokyo 1992 video album also had It Tastes Good Don’t It as a tease, but I’m leaving that one out cause Tokyo 1992 was only ever released as a video. Same goes for broadcasts like Ritz 1988.

Yeah but that doesn’t mean he recorded vocals for it, necessarily. He never recorded the old silkworms chorus in the studio, as far as we know, yet they played it live.

They should make a sequel to Get In The Ring and mention Nuno Bettencourt during the diss part. ”What, Nuno, you jealous cause Richard gets more pussy than you? Fuck you! Suck Richard’s fucking dick!”

It was three songs. Tooth Puller, Machine Gun (not sure if it’s a cover of the Hendrix song but probably), and Down By the Ocean. Dizzy mentioned Tooth Puller in an interview some years later and said it was really stupid. It was just about going to the dentist and the chorus was just “gotta get my tooth pulled, gotta get my tooth pulled.” Axl said in 2008 that they were still working on Down By the Ocean, but a lot of people suspect that Izzy turned it into his solo song Box.

Dizzy said on the band’s old website in 2006 that Silkworms and Riad wouldn’t be on the album anymore. I clearly remember that. Idk where the Catcher thing comes from. Maybe cause it wasn’t part of the MSL or Skwerl leaks? Axl told rolling stone mag in 2006 that they were working on 32 songs and that 26 of them were almost done, but only 13 would be on the final album: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/axl-rose-breaks-his-silence-on-chinese-democracy-111138/ My guess is that the 13 in question are the ones we got except one other song in place of TIL and Shackler’s (cause those didn’t have updated lyrics yet). Bumble confirmed that Atlas was gonna be on the album and got scratched at the last minute, so it’s probably that one.

Axl ran out of creative juice. Happens to most artists as they age. The difference is that most of them continue to churn out stuff that they know is mediocre just to keep their business going. I doubt he ever did anything else with Quick Song. As far as Berlin goes, he probably did have lyrics, but never got around to recording them (like the Silkworms chorus).

It’s what some of us call 10%er (since it took forever to find out what the actual title of that song was). It was a rumored (later proven fake) title from awhile back.

It’s a shame cause he left in 2008 to rejoin NIN again, only for NIN to then break up in 2009, before GnR even started touring again. It all worked out for the best though, since NIN reunited in 2013.

Really cool to see Robin active, and he still looks great!

Since Oklahoma is now called Berlin, I always imaged Axl singing “break down the wall” right as the heavy part kicks in, but like he holds “wwwwwaaaaallllll” for a really long time. For Elvis/Leave Me Alone/Soul Monster I always pictured Ozzy signing it (since Axl compared it to Black Sabbath). I can hear him in my head singing lyrics like “nothing can free the monster in my soul,” followed by “so leave me alone” (reference to the working title). How are you gonna come up with the melodies, btw? Melody is way harder than lyrics.

The list is described as Axl Enemies/ Slash Sympathizers. I also just recalled how back in 2009, Brain was the first to let us all know about the remix album’s existence. He said “I think Axl wants to remix the album, with some of the songs we didn’t release.” That adds further evidence to the idea that, at least at one point, cd2 and the remix album were one and the same.

Something else I just remembered is that in 2006 Axl said that twenty-six songs were “nearly done.” We got fourteen in 2008, so the remaining twelve were probably the nine I listed above plus Nothing, Thyme, and Going Down. Maybe also OMG and one other song like Light My Fire or KOHD Acoustic or 10%er. Gotta account for some wiggle room there, since the final lyrics for Shackler’s and TIL were done super last minute, it seems. That said, the point still stands that cd2 was never really as big as we thought. I know Baz claims that Axl played him four albums in 2007, but Axl probably just played him updated versions of Rough Mixes 1-4 or something. Tommy did say that ChiDem was originally meant to be much shorter. Maybe the plan at one time was to release three or four small albums, and then that became two long albums, and then only one. When Tommy later said that there were twenty-two songs left over from ChiDem, he was probably also talking about instrumentals. I know he said Axl worked on vocals every year, but that could mean anything. Axl coulda just patched one or two lines per year, for all we know.

Fair enough. But assuming it’s real, if we eliminate all the remixes and covers and little instrumental interludes like Thyme and pointless “sketch” songs like Nothing and songs that Axl doesn’t even sing like Going Down, we’re left with this: Cuban Skies (assuming it has vocals), The General, Atlas Shrugged, Soul Monster, Absurd, Tonto (assuming it has vocals), Monstrosity (assuming it has vocals), Hard Skool, Perhaps. Nine songs, and now we’re getting six. The current state of things is starting to make sense to me. I bet that after Perhaps and The General, the last pair of ChiDem songs will be Atlas and Soul Monster. And if I had to guess, State of Grace never got finished and always remained a “sketch,” and Axl probably never got around to doing vocals for Berlin or Zodiac (even if he had lyrics).

For some reason I thought it was even later (like 1997 or 1998).

Oh yeah. Forgot about Blues Ball! Lol Guess it’s true what they say; history repeats!

Some kinda “Appetite for Destruction 2” coming out of nowhere would be quite something, that’s for sure.

True, but at least this time Axl doesn’t seem to be blocking any of these side projects (like how he blocked the Snakepit tour in 1996).