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4 hours ago, Voodoochild said:

You can also use the natural harmonic to get close to it, although it's not the pure feedback Slash got for the recording. I tried this out here:

 

Thanks. Thats a very good tip :-)

Your cover is great!

Thank you very much!

Hi guys

I am just learning the intro solo of Aint it fun and would be very thankful if anyone of you could let me know how I can get the feedback/sustain at the 0:06 second mark. 

Do I need some sort of a pedal? 

I have got a Les Paul and a Marshall DSL5 amp. 

In general I am very happy with my tone but cannot figure out how to create this feedback :-(

Thanks very much in advance for your help! 

5 hours ago, GoBucky said:

The band had 3 original members from late 91-93. The band has 3 original members from 2016-current. 

From 91-93 GNR was a band. 

From 2016-current GNR is a brand.

Today the 3 original members from back than run an enterprise. Nothing more, nothing less. 

Wow! 

I have been away from this forum for quite some time. Now I came back and the first thing I saw is this thread and Brando‘s speech.

Hearing this I am even more happy that I didn’t bought any tickets for the upcoming shows. These fuckers shouldn’t be supported any longer. 

Just stumbled across this. 

They should get this guy. 

They still market themselves as „Most dangerous band in the world“ ... this band is so ridiculous. 

There are millions of people who still have to do and, in fact, do their hard jobs on daily basis besides everything going on in California, in the US and in the world. 

But GNR aren’t able to compile and to release  a music boxset?! Yeah right. I feel so sorry for them and their tough lifes.  

I know that the fires are huge and dangerous problem. But as far as I know, even though, life goes on In California and its citizens go to work everyday. 

Hence, As long as the houses of GNR aren’t burning or anyone of them or their families have to deal with a Covid-19 infection, there is NO (!) excuse for the lack of some proper release. I cannot hear this bullshit excuses anymore. 

1 hour ago, diegodasilva23 said:

I created the thread of the third step, but the owner of the site talked to me that he couldn't allow the thread’s existence. So he or another admin deleted it. Anyway, Team Brazil is aware of the appreciation for the Houston show. This was the point of the plan. Now, the decision of officially releasing it is in its and the band’s hands. Even if it would be just a live album of the Houston concert, it would be good, it would be something good.

Was the third step to blackmail TB? 

6 hours ago, El Guapo said:

Yes, all these "GnR spin-offs" sound better than the actual band. The drumming is a big part of it. It's pretty much the most important thing with any band. If the rhythm section is not great it all kinda falls apart. The way GnR sounds with this line up is just not good enough for a band of this caliber, imo. 

This video is eye-opening. There is also a Part 2. 

7 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said:

Well it didn't sound like the studio version and if you indeed have two intact ears, you know that. I'm not saying that it didn't sound good. I was just saying that he was really pushing his vocal capabilities to it's limits back then. So much that he couldn't even sing some of the songs when he was at his peak the way they were written. So if these songs were pushing his limits back then, it shouldn't be surprising that he has trouble with them now that he's soon 60-years old.

Well what can you do? The reality is that this forum's not gonna be anything but bitching and whining if everyone would be like you. Here we have a compilation of some of Axl's best vocal performances from the last 8 years or so. God forbid someone dares to speak positively about it and you start with your "are you people seriously saying Axl nailed Coma?" Then you continue whining about the last three minutes, even though Axl struggled with that part even in his peak. What's the point? His voice won't change if you complain about it. These videos are the absolute best that you can realistically expect from Axl at this day and age. If it makes you feel bad, I seriously encourage you to not watch videos of modern GNR cause it's never gonna sound better than this, unless they start playing new songs that fit Axl's current voice better.

 

 

 

Jesus, you don’t get it. 

6 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said:

He couldn't! And by properly I mean like the studio version. The studio version goes: "Yooooouuuuuuuuuooouuuuu coooooould bee mine" The live version has always been: "You cooould be mine". Axl's said it himself. He wrote YCBM without even thinking how he can pull it off live. I mean the live version is fine, but singing the song the way it's on the album is pretty much impossible.

I wouldn't say that Axl's current voice has nothing to do with his classic voice. Usually when casual fans describe Axl's voice they just say that it's high pitched. They don't talk about rasp.

But sure, depending on HOW casual fans we're talking about here, some notice the difference for sure. But they'll definitely notice if the songs are rearranged too, so Axl's gonna be criticized either way. I agree that they should try to minimize the amount of Mickey sounding parts on the setlist, but I'm not sure if rearranging the songs completely is the right way to do it since unfortunately the songs would need some HEAVY rearranging to fit Axl's current voice. So I agree with @El Guapo. They should release a new album with killer songs that fit Axl's current voice and then fill the setlist with these new songs. Of course some of the classics have to be played, but at least the amount of Mickey songs would be much smaller.

But now we're talking about Axl's current voice. In 2016 his voice was good. Not perfect but good and the amount of Mickey wasn't too bad back then.

Even if YCBM back then didn’t sound 100% like the studio version (if you say so), it actually did sound awesome. That’s all that matters. Today’s YCBM does sound like shit. And, unfortunately, its not only YCBM that sounds like crap but the majority of a three hour show. Its not something I point out to troll or something, its just a fact that hurts me as a fan of Axl Rose and a fact everyone with two intact ears will confirm, unless we are talking bout the typical yes-men. 

1 hour ago, Lies They Tell said:

It's not only my reality. It's kinda the reality that we all live in. It's no secret that Axl's written songs that he's not even capable of singing himself properly. He's admitted it himself! He couldn't sing songs like Coma and You Could Be Mine properly even in his peak, because he made those songs impossible to sing. He never even tried singing Don't Damn Me live, cause it can't be done properly. It's a fact that GNR songs in general have a lot more melodic variation compared to AC/DC songs. AC/DC songs have a lot more short bursts of screaming which fit Axl's voice perfectly. When Axl wrote GNR songs, he took his voice to it's limits and that was when he was at his peak. His voice is nowhere near what it once was these days, so it's no wonder that he doesn't sound perfect on them.

I don't know about that. There's been some pretty darn close to perfect performances of SOYL. Why? Because in SOYL is pure screaming from start to finish, just like most of Brian Johnson AC/DC songs. Axl always sounds good when he screams. Anyway, I'm not here to argue about Axl's current voice. The last time we heard Axl, his voice was in a worse condition compared to 2016. My point was that there's a reason why Axl sounded better with AC/DC than with GNR in 2016. Because AC/DC songs fit his voice way better in general. But even in AC/DC concerts there were moments of Mickey here and there. The difference is that AC/DC songs have some rare moments when Axl has to use his Mickey voice, but GNR songs have tons of parts that don't really fit Axl's current voice, but every time he gets to scream, you can hear that Axl has the exact same power as he had with AC/DC. And I'm talking about 2016 Axl here.

It's not really that simple. If you're gonna rearrange the GNR songs to fit Axl's current voice, in most cases you'd have to change the songs completely, so they became barely recognizable. The thing is that Axl still hits the right notes usually. It's just that there's no rasp. So which one is more important, a raspy voice or hitting the right key? You seem to prefer a raspy voice, but I'd argue that the general public would disagree. I'd argue that for most casual fans it's much more important that the singer is singing in the right key. Casual fans may not even notice that there's some rasp missing, but if the song is completely rearranged, they will notice that.

That being said, I actually agree with you to some degree. I've been saying the same thing that some songs should be rearranged to Axl's current voice, but at the same time I do recognize the problems involved with that.

Anyway there's not much you can complain about when you look at this compilation of Houston and Mexico City. Out Ta Get Me sounds very close to classic Axl and every fault you can find is very minor. Live music isn't supposed to be perfect to begin with.

 

Axl couldn’t sing songs like YCBN properly even his peak?! Now it’s getting beyond ridiculous. 

The casual fans may not notice some rasp missing here and there. But casual fans do notice that the Mickey Mouse voice they are hearing for three hours at a live show sounds like shit and has nothing to do with the voice they know from the radio and they paid hard earned money  for to hear live. 

9 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

Literally "complaints, complaints, complaints..."

Top contribution. 

You guys are so incredible. Guys like you are the reason why GNR/Axl/TB get away with all the bullshit. Because as soon as you receive a little bit of „quality“ material, suddenly all the shit of the past is forgotten and, even worse, is not even allowed to be mentioned anymore by anyone else. Otherwise those people who speak the truth are tried to get silent with the allmighty „complaints, complaints, complaints“ argument. 

Its kind of sweet and lovely (and a bit naive) what you are doing.

Really, no harm meant. But speaking of a gap between the band and their fans repeatedly wasn’t that smart from a psychological point of view, at least in my opinion. 

Anyway, I honestly wish you all the luck in the world with your plan. I personally think it’s just a waste of time and will Fernando make laugh out loud at maximum. But maybe I am just bitter after all these decades being a GNR fan. You seem to be a younger guy.  Hence, All the power to the next generation of fans 😃

11 hours ago, Lies They Tell said:

Dude, Axl struggled with the ending of Coma even in his peak. A tiny bit of realism wouldn't hurt. Comparing AC/DC songs which are like tailormade for Axl's voice to one of the most difficult songs on the GNR setlist is kinda pointless.

 I agree. A bit of realism wouldn’t hurt; 

ACDC songs are tailor made for the voice of Axl Rose but GNR songs are not. 

This is your reality?! Respect. 

Coma aside, Axl hasn’t nailed any complete GNR song - let alone a complete GNR show - whith his characteristic raspy voice since at least 2017. In my opinion he even has not in 2016. But he was able to tour a whole AcDC tour without struggling a minute. In no way this has only to do with the arrangement of ACDC songs compared to GNR songs. In terms of some songs or some parts of songs maybe, but in no way in general. 

And, You know what: If GNR songs are that difficult for Axls voice and AcDc are that easy. Just rearrange the GNR songs to Axls current voice so that he is able to sing them. This is what professional musicians (should) do, especially if they tour for years and charge shitloads of money for tickets. There is NO excuse.

One again for the record: The current video is ok, including Coma. In fact, for me as a lifelong fan (and customer) Axls voice in this video is the absolute minimum what is acceptable. Nothing more. If some of you think, a vocal performance like this was topnotch ... well, each to their own.  

10 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

It was about as good as you could reasonably expect a 55-year-old Axl Rose to sound on it. I've been pretty critical of Axl over the last couple years but there's really not much to complain about in the newest video.

Indeed, its the best video so far. But the best a 55 year old can offer?! Come on. 

As I said above, just watch any Axl/Dc show from 2016 and you see what this 55 year old guy named Axl is able to deliver if he wants to. It is lightyears away from that Coma performance. 

16 minutes ago, ToonGuns said:

I think there needs to be an element of realism here.

Coma is a ludicrously difficult song to sing, particularly the last 3 minutes, and for an ageing man he sang it very well I think. He's never going to sing it the same as he did on a studio recording he recorded half his life ago.

He should have just used his speaking voice within the last three minutes like he did for some verses. It sounds sonmuch much better. 

I am just watching the Axl/Dc show from Philly 2016 which was weeks ago from GNRs Houston show. Axl was so on fire and that good in ACDC. I still cannot get why he is/was so shitty in GNR but that awesome in a foreign band. Its just like watching/hearing two different people. 

I am really glad that I saw Axl/Dc back then in Hamburg. 

Don’t want to complain but are you guys seriously saying Axl nailed Coma?! You must be kidding.

If at all, it was ok. Nothing more. In fact, Mickey was always right about to come through. 

2 hours ago, YOUCOULDBEMINE. said:

You have been making so many random threads

Yes, @DurhamGirl should definitely spent some time on listening to all GNR albums for at least one time before she opens anymore pointless threads. 

No offense @DurhamGirl but its seems very strange to me that you haven’t even listened to GNRs little catalog for at least once (I think thats what you have posted a few days ago) but are posting like a maniac and suffering the end of the band ;-)

You have got a US copy which unfortunately will have some sound issues. You can get sealed copies like yours for approximately 20-25$ easily. 

Sealed EU copies, on the other hand, are about 50-100$ at the moment. 

I still say GNR has no deep cuts. Especially, songs released as singles and which had massive airplay can be no deep cuts by definition, at least this goes for my definition. Yesterdays is just a less popular single compared to GNRs major hits. But by no means its a deep cut. 

If GNR has any deep cuts at all, it might be unreleased stuff from Bootlegs or maybeeeee (!) a song like Shotgun blues or Bad Apples which neither has been released as a single nor played live on stage a million times. 

Anyway, I still have a soft spot for Yesterdays because it hasn’t played to death but you still here it from time to time on rock stations etc. I wouldn’t call it a filler track but it’s nothing you show someone to introduce him to GNR. 

16 minutes ago, ToonGuns said:

I just wish they were more like Oasis in the early years. Used to love their CD singles- 4 tracks, album quality. It meant for a typical album you would get 20-25 songs (13 track album + 12 b sides). Mansun was another band with great b sides.

Dude, besides GNR Oasis is my fav band of all time 😄

They were the kings of b-sides, especially in the 90ies. But to be fair, I don’t expect any band to be that extreme in terms of b/sides like Oasis. But at least every band should offer a little bit as long as they release physical singles. 

Interesting side fact regarding Oasis: I read somewhere that they had to cut down the amount of b-sides from 3 to 2 during the times of the Standing LP because of a change of the single chart regulations in the UK. In specific, allegedly 4 track releases did no longer count as singles but as EPs. Hence, if they wanted to chart with a single the physical release was not allowed to have more than 3 tracks in total. 

Yes, indeed the live cuts.

You are right,GNR has never been a typical B-Side band but back then there have been a few tracks released out of the full length album circle, eg Brownstone alt. mix, Don’t Cry demo, KHOD (Soundtrack version) or Civil War on a charity compilation one year prior to its album release. 

Within in the four years of 1987 to 1991 we got AFD, Lies, UYI I & II and B-Sides.

Within the four years of 2016 to 2020 we got a polished track originally released as a B-Side in 1991 but being presented as a „brand new single“ to us in 2018. 

This whole „reunion“ has become such an unbelievable joke. Honestly, I wish they had not reunited. Yes, I had some fun at the two NITL shows I joined. But this fun of around six hours in no way does outweight all the frustration and bullshit of the remaining four years.

After four years of the reunion I can clearly state that my 30 years lasting love for this band has heavily faded. NITL I would have thought this could happen one day. Well, GNR (or what is left) proved me wrong. Congratulations!