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Love both versions, I have them on different playlists. 

https://gnrmerchtruck.com/collections/home-page/products/perhaps-tee?variant=43359319457977

Sorry if this is obvious. But what's on the Perhaps t_shirt? 

8 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

 GN'R has already overperformed this year

This is sooooo funny, but true. They have gone overboard and I've been so excited last few days. Maybe I need more things in my life 😂 

2 hours ago, quikspade said:

I’m not sure outside the US, but here you can shop the tour truck anytime through the Shop app.

Guns N’ Roses Tour Truck in the app.

Thanks for that, I'll check it out. 

10 hours ago, Lies They Tell said:

We know for sure that there is an orchestral underlayer in the song that sounds similar as the orchestral part that we've heard before.

The orchestral underlayer can be heard in the GNR after party cellphone clip that leaked at some point.

We have no idea how the song is going to start. The General might have an intro or it might not have an intro. We simply have no clue. We only know that there is an orchestral underlayer in the song.

That's brilliant, thanks for explaining that. I'm gonna down load it and listen to it heaps in preparation for release, but cautious about getting myself over hyped and let down. 

55 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

 Swapping Sorry for Perhaps? What's wrong with you guys? There are a lot of weak songs on CD which could be swapped for Perhaps, but surely not Sorry. Riad, Scraped, Catcher, SOD... all forgettable songs which I rank lower then Perhaps easily but Perhaps isn't anything special at all. 

😂 I love Rhiad (josh) CITR (demo) & The Blues (Josh). Different strokes for different folks I think. 

Agree that Perhaps isn't special, but definitely better than A&HS by a country mile. 

Don't think Perhaps needed to be on CD given the amount of amazing songs already on there: SR, above 3 songs, TWAT, Madagascar, Prostitute, Sorry, TIL. 

19 hours ago, kingcanyon said:

There is a lot I could pick

Sev7n 

Oklahoma/Berlin

Soul monster

Moustache 

Circus maximus

Cuban skies

Atlas shrugged 

And so on

What are the songs that the rest of you are wanting to be released the most from that era

P. R. L...... Now that's a song, whatever that was created for, I wanna hear. 

23 minutes ago, Rovim said:

love this clip and Robin's playing. Doesn't have to be perfect to be good and imho, Robin's version of the SCOM solo was good. 

Now by compassion, let's play a twat solo from Slash. 

1 hour ago, Oxford said:

It opens on the days of the gigs. 

Thanks for that, I'll check the tour and order my new shirts

How often is the merchtruck up.

With new song, feel compelled to purchase the shirt. It's only available via truck too from what I can see. 

Elvis/Oklahoma & sog

16 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I believe a lot of material is out there, of the likes you mention but those who have them simply have no interest in sharing, trading, etc. in any way or don’t have an interest in the band or material anymore and just abandon them or leave them on their PCs.

I also believe TB has reached out to some of the more known ones and got them to be quiet. 
 

This makes sense. Do you think it's a possibility that if its out there, it could leak in the future? 

On 8/20/2023 at 9:17 AM, Gordon Comstock said:

 

The early demo will still be valuable, it would be more like hearing a YCBM demo from the 80s. Obviously not the official release, but played by an arguably better band and probably different enough to be interesting on its own.

I hope if a CD box set ever gets released, all the early versions of these NITL singles will still be included.

This. Boxset with early versions would be heaven for me. If this never comes to pass, I would love Axl do solo record with Brain/Robin/Bucket. And just release/tour CD 2.

On 8/20/2023 at 7:24 AM, 2020_Intensions said:

Just making fun .. I'm sure it's going be just as epic sounding as we believe it to be. Bach described it as the angriest he's ever heard Axl. I don't think he was exaggerating. The orchestral underlayer we've known for a while now is reason enough to believe this song will live up to its legend.

Do we know for certain that the orchestral part is underlayer and not sole track opening music? 

Dont kill me, but pray Slash doesn't completely wreck buckets parts. 

3 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

Which version? The early one that they released or the new one that leaked?

Official released version 

On 8/20/2023 at 2:11 AM, Free Bird said:

Agree on Oh My God. Wouldn't call that epic by any means 

But I disagree on The Garden. With slightly over 5 min runtime it's not the length that makes it epic for my taste, but the build up, the psychedelic sound, the atmosphere... Alice Cooper, the crazy part during the solo and the heavy riffing towards the end. Pure greatness. Simply epic for me 

Omg is epic as fuck, definitely top 6 CD era songs for sure 

On 8/20/2023 at 1:44 AM, SoulMonster said:

Okay, let's me try to summarize the arguments for State of Grace being the same song as The General.

Brain joined GN'R at the earliest in April or May 2000. We can be quite sure of this because he said that he was touring in Australia with Primus when the call from Buckethead came to come and audition for GN'R [Vic Firth Spotlight, May 2006]. This fits nicely with Josh having left the band in February/March 2000 [Allstarmag, March 14, 2000]. Primus toured Australia from April 6 to April 23 [setlist.fm]. Then he might have left the tour to travel and audition (similar to what Richard did), or he could have waited till it was over and they were back in California in late April. Regardless, this places his first audition with the band to some time in April. Then he said it took a while before they contacted him again and gave him the spot [Modern Drummer, May 2000], actually he said it took three months before he finally gave in and joined [I'd Hit That Podcast, March 3, 2015]. This means he actually first joined closer to mid-summer of 2000.

State of Grace existed as a more-or-less finished song by March 27, 2000. We know this because that's the (presumed) mixing date it has one Rough Mixes CD #3.

Then there are a few things that suggest that Brain wrote The General. I think he says as much in an interview with either Appetite for Distortion or GN'R Central (yet to be transcribed) where he talks about the track getting them name from Buckethead eating General Tsao's chicken at the time, or something like that. Furthermore, in another interview he was asked if he had written the song, and he didn't deny it, but would refer to it as a "jam" [GNR-Online BR, July 18, 2010]. I wouldn't refer to State of Grace as a "jam".

Is it possible that Brain worked on State of Grace? Yes, but I find it hard to think it was changed so much that Brain would take credit for having written it. And why would they rename it to The General when it already had lyrics? It doesn't make sense. Maybe Axl decided that the song would be used for spare parts, the lyrics were thrown away, the chassis or some other part was given to Bucket and Brain who made it into a new track which they named The General. Sounds very far-fetched to me.

Then we have known that parts of The General, likely the introduction, has been played at live shows an an intro to Chinese Democracy [Guns N' Roses twitter account, December 11, 2010]. State of Grace doesn't have any orchestration and it doesn't sound like it was missing any. Furthermore, we have the audio recording from the part where The General was allegedly played. I don't know, there seems to be different opinion on whether it can be the same song, personally I can barely hear anything and then I think I am already in the territory where I can't say anything for sure. 

So make up your own mind, but to me it seems highly unlikely they are the same songs.

Btw, that Brain joined lately fits nicely with the work documented on the Village leaks. Those tracks mixed in March 2000 (Atlas Shrugged, Perhaps, Prostitute, Catcher, Quicksong, State of Grace, Oklahoma, I.R.S., Me & My Elvis, D Tune, Curly Shuffle, etc) must contain Josh on drums. While songs like Sorry, Real doll.com, and Shankler's, which we believe are collabs between Brain and Bucket, were mixed in September and August 2000 (and there is also material there which is specifically stated is Brain from 2001).

 

 

 

Soooooooooo, 😂, it's highly likely SOG is not The General.... And that 'insider' is a hardcore gnr fan living in his mum's basement playing warcraft all day lol. 

So are people assuming this is the General at the beginning? 

And separate note......... I want a soundboard recording from 2006, whats the best one to go for? Any suggestions appreciated. 

11 hours ago, F*ck Fear said:

It was the best of the locker leaks, imo.

I'd love to hear a "new" recording of it!

Agree with above. Think it's perfect as is w/drums 👆 version. So not excited to hear it wrecked/hybrid release. SoG on other hand. Yes, that's a single and hot reworked. 

Can The General live up to the hype? 

57 minutes ago, alfierose said:

I'm old. What does that mean? 

Plan 2 have 2 drinks after work w/work colleague, 6hours later it's 2am, pissed as, it raining & and a regretful decision to enjoy the night and take the relationship 2 da next level. That's what that means 😂 

1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

Appetite for Discussion (a-4-d.com) is your friend: https://www.a-4-d.com/t7987-the-general 

Actually, I might miss some quotes since this is only updated per October 2017.

Wow, this is cool, exactly what I was looking for, thanks. Said it in the past, but again, what a resource, thanks for doing this with Blackstar. 

1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said:

I feel like that isn’t the intro, but the song itself. It’s the orchestra under it (I’d bet) some of the cell leak fits with it

Do we have any YT recordings of what yous are talking about? 

How many comments have been made about TG previously? What do we know about it? 

13 minutes ago, ©GnrPersia said:

I get 404

could you take a screenshot please?

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1 minute ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

 

 

Thanks for that.

Best day being gnr fan yesterday, since 2nd Vegas night 2016.

Let's hope we one day get to hear old version of The General w/ cd era guys to, and new version isn't brickwalled. 

Love it how someone mentioned Perhaps is not as loud as other 2 singles. Less compression the better imo.