JimiRose

£20 for a 2 song CD!??? what the fuck! full albums are £10. What absolute rip off con artists

Someone on YouTube has a couple isolated tracks the this i love orchestra thing is so good Lenny Maidana

Which sites in particular ..?

or just release the 4 we've had with another 6 and call it an album..

The question is why? They're actually really good as reference for recording your own stuff, how you can enhance sound different ways. Some were just totally weird though.

Hidden tracks was what they were called on YT. They are effectively isolated recordings of single stems of instruments or vocal layers on all the CD songs. Axl did like 50 vocal layers for some songs on CD. Different accents, whispers, high and low vocals etc and about 45 of them are turned right down to thicken the final piece. On TWAT he did this weird demonic 'LONG TIME' thing you can hear if you really listen on good sound system in the 'long time for you' bit. The orchestra under TIL, random guitar licks that sound so out of place on the final mix yet are left in, just really buried. Probably find some more frogs too like in the general

They were really interesting, gutted they got taken down. Can't think why they would have been taken down either tbh

They are definitely far superior when together. the izzy base foundation of the songs, Axl's epicness with piano/orchestra and vocal delivery the slash lead and the duff punky bass. All their solo stuff sounds exactly how they sounded indiviually in GnR, and lacks the others input. But there's still some great stuff. Slash Anastasia is as good as anything the band has done since 93. Twat is the Axl one. Duff did Chip away and shuffle it all by izzy. There's obv more good songs. Band wasted themselves.

I can hear it like a bomb going off in one bit, but can't really identify it anywhere else. It's not the end of the world, but i think coz this song is well over 20 years old and was recorded with sluff about 3-4 years ago AND it was delayed last minute for quality issues, you'd think they'd not have this sort of thing.

Listening to Monsters, I can hear what sounds like Axl high pitching more lyrics quietly in the background as well as lots of different woo hoos and other non distinguishable vocals. This made me remember the CD hidden tracks that were on Youtube for a while but I can no longer find. They were a collection of things that were buried in the mix or barely discernible in the final song, I can only assume they were taken from the rock band stems or by some crazy advanced Ai of it's time. It was random guitar licks, random axl vocals, hidden orchestras, whispers and atmospherics. Does anyone know where I can find them or were one of you the one putting them on YT? Anyone else remember these?

if the world is a great song aside from the corny simplistic lyrics in the verses. the vocal performance is one of his best and the music is totally unique in the gnr catalogue. should have been a bond theme.

The extra long KOHD and RQ are most likely for Axls benefit. gives him 5 minutes of water, oxygen and a towel down. It depends if you care more for trimming the fat or for quality of the show. the extended jams could easily be replaced by some audience interaction, like talking to the audience, an anecdote, a story. very rare at GnR shows these days. Someone said earlier the long shows are great if you can accept the massive dips in quality (mainly axl) but tbh i don't think Axls vocals will be better if its a 90 minute show anyway. he cannot sing anything in that mid range and his rasp when he does bring it out is weak and rough. so you might as well have 3 hours of shit than 90 minutes of shit in GnRs case. get drunk, singalong and tune axl out that way.

RHCP are a joke. 90/95 minute sets. 3x in 10 years ive seen them and they've been the same length always cut out half the hits. they usually learn two sets and alternate each show so it's different which is good, but it shows they know a 3 hour set and just choose to play half.

Living the dream shagging multiple 20 year olds every week, eating take out food. Yes. Works on music not related to guns? Don't be ridiculous!

You lose all credibility here. Giving a guy that has released 1 original album in 33 years (and fucked that up) enough credit to suggest he had a plan, or even gave a fuck is absurd.

I dont think it will be popular, but it will be way more popular than absurd and the general. whilst it doesnt sound like a gnr song, It is obviously slash on guitar, his tone and style and it is clearly a massive axl vocal, which most people appreciate. It'll be loved by nugnr fans, appreciated by axl and slash fans, but probably just ignored by the public, not hated. They can enjoy perhaps and hardskool, dw. GnR fans are hypocrites, they said the evader thing was incredible and the general was shit, but they're all saying the gnr general is so much better. not the smartest fan base

shall we call you xen monster? Nothing seems to piss you off or make you anything other than a perfect calm equilibrium of peacefulness.

One in a million (great song, but obv very extreme lyrical content) My world (that was mocked) Oh My God (Industrial, poor mix, first release without slash etc) So GnR have definitely had backlash to songs, I think this one is a mix of everything. Poor release, fucked up release date, 8 years since reunion was announced and getting very nugnr era style b sides with slash and duff. The leak of the infintely better monsters, and then it not coming out. It's a perfect storm of shitness. I think the song is ok. 5/10, good album track with an alternative style. Released as a digital single and a vinyl b side, it's a disaster. Some clowns here will defend it, but ignore them.

Youtube update - 429k views in first week since release. Utterly embarrassing for a ban GnRs size. sunk without a trace as predicted by many. Why on earth they are choosing to release songs this way.

Don't sell yourself short. Anyone can write lyrics. Axls for the most part aren't complex poetry. I'm pretty sure Evader would know something about music to be able to piece it all together, which key and note etc.

That is much harder and painstaking a process than sitting there and writing a 2 verse 1 bridge 3 chorus song. Any musician here could bang out a song like the general in fucking 60 minutes. Any and all credibility your point might have had was lost right there

its two different songs which ever way you look at it. If anything Evaders version is a hybrid of the two. We believed it to be the general from the phone clip. Evaders mix is called the general and the orchestra at least is still from the General. there's no point comparing it to soul monster because we never once thought that the phone leak was soul monster. That wasnt just the consensus here, it was stated as fact. So it's a simple question that has been made incredibly difficult. Evaders 'General' or GnRs 'General' there's no Axl rose loopholes questioning required. which song do people think is better. Not ' BuT iT wAs SoUl MoNsTer AlL AloNG'. No shit, I didnt ask that! At face value when you listen to either of those songs which is better. That's all it was. Majority here have slated GnRs General, and eulogised evaders, social media has had people asking for it to be the 'original' demo. Yet the vote here says over 80% of you prefer GnRs. Doesn't really make sense. Especially as you all say evaders is based more on soul monster which again, majority love. So why is everyone voting for GnRs general...? Cognitive dissonance? Objectively the vote should be the other way round right?

If ever the massive hypocrisy of the GnR fanbase needs pointing out, it's in this thread. 'EVADER WE LOVE YOUR VERSION OF THE GENERAL, I'M SO EXCITED, HOW DID YOU DO IT?' 'GnRs General is shit, poor mix, computer made, dreadful song, no hook, fucked up release' 'OH well of course we prefer the GnR version to evaders shitty fanmade, his doesn't even exist, so even though we hate the GnRs general at least its real (LOL)' maybe its a mix of completely misreading the question, rewriting history, maybe its the cognitive dissonance of the GnR fanbases feelings towards Axl, but it's been an eye opener for sure. and yes i am well aware that Generals evader was (partly) based off a phone leak which turned out to be soul monster. However we did not know that until late october. Some people seem to think a song is only real when it's released on spotify or uses actual instruments. As lovely as that is, it isnt the case. But anyway, run back to talking about clipping because you all think you know more than millionaire producers about how to produce music, but can't see how two songs called the general bear any relation at all And evaders general is better. Deal with it nuthuggers

Fanmade nonsense is a bit harsh. I think my point is this, when evader did his version it was met with overwhleming positivity and to most, it was considered a great idea of what the song could sound like. The reaction to the general that GnR did is mostly negative and meh. People can say one isn;t real, but evaders probably took more effort and skill and GnRs is probably 90% computer made too. So to call one version and real and one not even existing isn't correct. one isn't made by a band, but musically it's probably better than the one that was.

There is nothing that sounds appetite, so must mean classic sounding and that would apply to perhaps for sure. can't believe anyone would hear monsters and of course the general and think it sounds like GnR.