JimiRose

GnR are Dad rock in 2024 pal. sorry to break it to ya. in 2010, it was still edgy and uncool to like GnR. Axl was coming on at midnight, shows were getting cancelled, the band was on fire and so was axl and they were still dangerous. Today, they come on early, play the same setlist, sound shit, look old and play it as safe as safe can be. Gnr were dangerous from 85-2011. not since.

I think this is probably the biggest disappointment in gnr lore. I think CD delivered for the most part. 14 songs, at least 11 or 12 were really good. but for 13 years+ we waited the general. we heard the incredible orchestra, we heard the phone leak, we had the interviews with band members, we had evaders take, we had seb bach, there was no way this song couldnt be an absolute epic. and it turned out to be an experimental copy paste job at 4 minutes long. the journey is always better than the destination. thats a life lesson for us all

Very rare 99.9% of this forum agrees on something. But everyone thinks this is absolute trash it seems. i think that's harsh. it's just very plain and offers nothing story wise and no effort at all from the band. Disappointing, but I'd be in the camp that this is better than nothing. but only just

Less layers? Are we talking about this I love? I think the reason its so popular is because its the only song that doesnt have loads of layers. It's a single axl vocal, a piano, and a synth in the verse. (hidden orchestra should be louder if anything) then some dramatic drums and a guitar solo. it's the least layered of all gnr songs. maybe ever!

What does Monsters bring up detectives?

Obviously they don't make them, but they usually star in them and decide the storyline!

They made an effort by commissioning it, and then agreeing to pay for it - yes. That is certainly a positive. but theyve had zero input and not created a storyline or actually physically gone out of their way for the project. Most likely fernando said 'hey ax you wanna try AI vid for the general, it'll cost x thousand dollars' and axl said yes. after that they probably didnt get involved again. Which again, better than doing nothing, but bare minimum nonetheless.

I don't think this is a choice, they just can't write a song that would please the fans, and then aren't professional enough to release it in a way to make it a success. The 'sticking to their principles and writing the songs we wanna write' attitude doesn't apply to GnR. no one in the band aside from Axl even wrote this song ffs

I think they're just stylistic choices, not errors. a bit like the song itself and the muffled vocal. nothing to do with them not knowing how to edit, they have purposely made it sound that way. subjective whether you like it or not

They don't. it's almost like axl said to them 'this song is about a kid with scary memories - don't visualise the lyrics though and don't bother with a story.' People sayings it's a pile of shit are being a bit harsh. Obviously a lot of care and effort went into it from the creative side (not GnRs) but they could have at least written a storyline that you could follow.

The AI and graphics are cool and interesting enough, but I think the link between the lyrical theme and the video narrative described here is tenuous at best, and non existent in reality. there's no narrative at all really, what dark childhood memories are there? none related to the lyrics. A decaying teddy and some scary monsters hardly seem that much. Overall, good that they tried something new, the tech is obviously very good, just a shame there was no actual storyline in the video or anything deeply personal to anyone in the band. 5/10. probably won't watch it again.

You make this yourself?

Take away the stupid announcer, the crowd intro and axls rant, there's a good punk rock song there, but it just sounds so over produced for a punk rock song. if they got rid of those 3 things and made it tonally similar to its so easy, then you have a top 20 GnR rocker. But it just sounds like queen trying to do a punk song, but with an angry 13 year old featured. Still, gets me going in the gym occasionally. Catcher is a great song trapped inside a mediocre mix / release. one guitar one piano one thicker bass line and a drums with a les convoluted axl vocal and that song is great. A lot of people say CD suffered from over production which i don't agree with - apart from catcher. this song should have been much cleaner and simpler

Is wankers even a word in america? Definitely remember using wanker and tosser to americans and them getting very confused. Using fag for cigarette also caused quite a stir once, when asking for a smoke in a bar in Louisville

Not sure why people are still questioning what the surprise is - its the music video to the general, confirmed by creative works. So let's end any speculation. I understand why people are on edge about the use of Ai, but if it's actually been done to a storyline and with effort and care then there is no reason it can't be entertaining and/or effective in a music video. I wish all these rock n roll purists were there slagging slash off for doing an advert for a bank instead of defending his right to earn money, in the face of others misery. It's just typical lacklustre gnr. A song that should have been out in october, came out in december without a video, and now in late jan we're getting a video. I'm delighted theres a video, but it should have been out and ready with the release of the song. Sadly i dont think this is an indication that we will be getting monsters or atlas etc anytime soon. more like a late finishing off of the previous period. People here are being over the top negative about it, but can you blame them? we can't tell if this video is shit or a masterpiece, but using all the knowledge we have of modern day gnr, it'll probably massively suck and wimper away into nothing.

Too cheesy. The song is better than a throwaway halloween gesture. I kow halloween is big in the US but make the song feel more like a cheesy halloween grab rather than the best song GnR have left since 2008. Release it tomorrow, let it stand on its own as a genuine fully fledged song.

jarmo literally knows nothing

The new Beatles song isn't 'AI generated' it's a john lennon recording that was too grainy to use in a released piece. The remaining beatles then recorded all their studio parts (like slash and duff on axl songs) and the AI tech became good enough to isolate johns vocal and not all the background crap. Kind of like what we dream someone will use on the general phone clip. It's incredible extraction technology, not an ai song. So it appears the only person to fall for anything have been those that think that new beatles song is an AI song. It isnt. Whether you like the song or not, that is truly subjective and your own choice. And yes this is clearly a half assed, 7 week later video to the general. No idea why they couldnt release this when the song dropped. ahh appears someone beat me to the explanation!

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Pretty sure the version we have is the official mixed and mastered version, just not officially released. The drums and vocals are definitely on purpose, and slash has been sloppy for years, maybe too on purpose to give it more of a live feel or energy. I'd like the orchestra higher in the mix, but the sound is very similar to the official released version of the general. I think what gives it the 'unfinished' sound is more likely the vocal layers and the fact that they're not all in the same time and that he's singing slightly different things under the main lead vocal, it gives it a messy feel but thats clearly what he's looking for, compared to say the massive clean crisp over produced vocal on hardskool.

We still talking on their heads..? ah who am I kidding, I'm happy all ways

I think the weight loss makes him look better, but if his hair was long combined with the much better physique, he'd still be hot. Long hair is just better on all men. Let that be a lesson to you all!

That's how bad i feel his short hair is. grow it out Axl. Maybe he is like Samson. ever noticed how shit his voice has been since his hair got shorter... Think we've finally cracked the case

I don't think we can include anything post 2010 (unless of course it was released or first played after that). There's no way any original GnR material would have been played better after that. For example 'this I love' you have vegas 2016. Reading 2010 was poor by 2010 standards yet it was 1000x better than 2016 and beyond. 2014 was generally very poor vocally. 2011/12 hit and miss. but 2006 and 2010 were two really incredible years vocally for axl, competing with 85-93 era.

It's unbelievable how much better he looks with long hair. I'm a straight man, but he is so much better looking with long hair. And badass. Axls made some bad career moves, but cutting the hair short was his worst.