Propaganda

25 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said:

Some preferred Nirvana or stuff like that for sure, but a huge portion listened to both GNR and grunge and industrial etc... What I'm saying is that next to generation X, millennials probably listen to GNR the most. At least to my knowledge GNR is a little too modern for most of the Baby Boomer -generation. Generation Z that came after the millennials is probably the generation that you're actually talking about. For them 70s and 80s music sounds ancient. For millennials 70s and especially 80s music was a big part of the music they grew up with, along with 90s music.

I was born in the 80's, 85 to be more precise. When I was 17/18, the music scene was the new metal stuff, Maintstream Punk Rock, some industrial and some Pop Rock too.

Bands like Korn, Limp Bizkit, Marilyn Manson, Linkin Park, Static X, The Offspring, SUM 41, Green Day, Oasis, Rage Against The Machine, Rammstein, Mudvayne, Slipknot, Drowning Pool, Saliva, Bush, Incubus (Fucking Incubus! I hate that crap!), P.O.D, Kid Rock, Nine inch Nails were on MTV all the time, and were considered the new breed of rock music.

I got into that but I shifted to the bands of the 80's, then 70's and early 90's. Mostly the bands I like the most were the 80's and the 70's... Van Halen, GNR, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Thin Lizzy, Motley Crue and so on... I even liked Poison! Obviously the quality of the music played by this bands is much superior, then the ones listed above.

With the Grunge scene, my likeness of the grunge bands has been declining. I mean I like Alice in Chains, Nirvana and Soundgarden, but I don't see them as the kind of bands would dethrone a band like GNR or a band like Van Halen. I think they're inferior to the 80's bands, but somewhat interesting. I find it hard to believe that this bands generated a movement that ended with the bands of the 80's...

I just refuse to see a band like Nirvana dethroning bands like GNR, Van Halen... these 2 bands are far more superior... even with Hagar on it...

Anyways it's my taste! I kinda hold a grudge to the whole grunge scene. because I think most of the bands were crap, except the big ones, and the big ones to me were inferior to the great bands of the 80's or 70's in my opinion.

On 23/09/2018 at 9:53 PM, UsedYourIllusion said:

Something from UYI II that makes me feel a similar pattern of feelings with CD was Estranged 

"Maybe we'll find another way,

Find another day,

With all the changing seasons, 

of our lives,

Maybe we'll get it right next time".

Axl seems like the type, 'Do as i say, not as i do'; he tries his damndest to write a track about being comfortable with unrequited love, Estranged, and needing to move on. And yet, i'm not sure if it was his perfectionest nature to try and finish CD (and he wrote those songs about past loves when he still was vulnerable and the feelings were sincere) or he REALLY couldn't move past Stephanie until those songs were finished, and he had a cathartic feeling showing the World his final image of the songs. Not sure if he still missed her or felt grief in 2001/2002, or in 06-08. Who knows. Either way i'm interested to see new songs and new emotions from the band-in the same way they weren't writing AFD-esque songs in '91 and in their solo projects. I wanna see new stuff.

Nice Post man! Sorry that I only got to read it today.

Here's the thing, as far as CD goes, my opinion is that the longevity of the project was a mixture of the Label and the producers telling Axl to work extensively on the songs, so they could gain time to try to set up a reunion. While at the same time, if that wasn't gonna happen, trying to fight the right promotional deal to get hype, on what they always saw as an Axl Solo record.

They knew CD was never gonna be considered a GNR record, and therefore it would never sell like one (the whole band vanished...If it was one member, or two... but it was the whole band except Axl). 

So I think the idea behind rejecting Chinese Democracy several times (when they felt Axl needed to work more on the songs), to me was to gain time, to try to frustrate him and force him to a reunion. Once that wasn't accomplished, they just tried to get the best deal they could to promote the release of the album (Best Buy), and I guess you could say it worked. CD didn't sell as good as a GNR album, but it sold much better than the average solo album, so they were able to recover some of the money that was invested. The rest was probably recovered as well through touring or future recordings, and most recently with the boxset.

Chinese Democracy is Axl's final outburst about his past relationships (Including band members). It's a journey through 15 years of not knowing what to do with his feelings, of being lost, and finally finding the path to release that hurt to the public, in the form of an album. 

The fact that various people contributed to the album, doesn't change the fact that the album is about Axl. Even though other band members might identify themselves with what is written on the songs. That is why I think this is a solo album.

In any case I think the songs that capture Axl's spirit are "Street of Dreams", "This I Love", "Madagascar" and "There was a Time"

It sounds more like Queen than GNR. That guitar tone can't be mistaken for Classic GNR. It's a more crispier tone, while Slash's more raw.

I like the album version the best, but May's solo is very good. I find it very possible that Bryan didn't like the copy paste Axl and Beavan produced. I remember I read an interview somewhere that Bryan felt insulted that they would cut pieces of the solo. I think it was Bryan himself on the interview, could be wrong.

They have already re-record it, but the fans said: No trickery Please!

9 minutes ago, Azifwekare said:

True, but that song is like Bigfoot. We hear so much about it, then we hear just a taste of what it might sound like underneath that shitty cell phone clip. How awesome would it feel when we finally get the chance to hear it properly, leaked, released or however.

It would be like if we found a real Bigfoot. You'll get some people saying, "Who cares, it's just a big ape", but how cool would it be to finally catch a real one, after years of hoaxes?

Most of the hype came from guys like Baz telling everyone how epic it was, and that epic orchestral sample only added to it. Then in the clip we heard those screaming rasp vocals at the end - even though we can't hear shit you can still tell those vocals will kick even more ass than the TIL remix rasp.

The more time it takes for that song to come out to the public, the more it will hurt it. Especially when you have people listening to a shitty quality clip over and over again.

31 minutes ago, valengf said:

Tottaly agree. The song is overrated, and it sounds Silkworms style.
I dig it anyways but I think it is not that big of a deal, IDK if the hype is for the name or just fans made it (the hype).

There's better songs than The General on Chinese Democracy... The title track for example... Better, There was a Time...

2 hours ago, Azifwekare said:

The myth alone would have at least the hardcores wetting their knickers over it if it was released.

Except for me, I'm a double hard bastard so I don't wear knickers, but you get my drift.

The fact that this song is already considered a myth by the hardcore fans, would kill the song even before release, because people would be disappointed, having built such high expectations of it.

20 hours ago, RONIN said:

Walked right into that one didn't I 

Interesting point. The last band I recall having that kind of heavy push was Linkin Park in the early 00's. 

Hard to disagree there. But nearly any functional band out there deserves more respect than GnR. Even Aqua was more productive in the 00's than Axl.

18 hours ago, RONIN said:

I can't believe bands like Limp Bizkit and Korn are still around and headlining in this day and age. Crazy.

Those bands were a joke nearly 20 years ago when I was a teen in high school. Nostalgia run amok I say.  

A band like Korn deserves a lot more respect than what Axl did with Guns N'Roses. They have been dropping albums since the 90's almost every single year, and Korn have some great albums. Seeing the music landscape today, we should have supported the "New Metal era" when it was on, instead of kicking it in the curb. At least we would still have some type of Rock N'Roll in town in 2018. Since we didn't do that, now we have to take with the likes of Nicky Minaj, Justin Bieber, Demi Lovato, and all that crappy trap rap music scene...

Also you can dispute that a song like Silkworms, scraped or Shackler's Revenge sounds "New Metalish". To me it's Axl's attempt to fit in with the New Metal era.

and then he writes about Democracy in China 

it smells like Brazilian Picanha!

The song is great, the song title is great, the vocals are great, the piano is great, but the main solo ruined the song! 

Going Down is a great song, one of my favorites of the demos that leaked. I guess now that Tommy's not in the band, it wouldn't make sense to release it with Tommy's vocals, but imagine this song with Duff on vocals...That would rock!

I'm not sure if Slash or Duff would be ok to work on songs that were already written by other artists though. So it's not hard to believe that they might save it for a boxset or might be selling the rights of the songs they feel that are weaker to other bands. 

At this point, I think the whole "real insiders", "fake insiders", "Leaks" Era is Finished.

Not only because most of the fans stopped caring about the whole Chinese Democracy era, but also because people have grown tired of the whole debate. Of course there's always new people coming around and there's always some dead moments when the band is nothing touring, and people still discuss it occasionally.

I think it's safe to say that after the last leaks, no one is really expecting anything more, but we got a taste of what might come in the future with the AFD boxset. I guess that's our best bet, or maybe a new album, but until then I don't think anything else's gonna happen...

I think it's safe to say that all the Chinese Democracy era recordings belong to Universal. So it's up to Universal to release it or not.

My opinion is that this AFD boxset was "imposed" by the Label, with the band agreeing with the terms of the release after the negotiations, and with the band wanting to be involved on the content. So it is possible that they might want to save some of the CD era recordings for a boxset.

I think Axl will use the stronger songs (The General etc) for a future brand new album, and leave the rest for a boxset. I could be wrong though. It's only my prediction.

Personally I would do it like Username, I would have a boxset with all the CD era recordings, including the best songs, and I would have the band as it is, record a new album from Scratch.

It's a great song, but the lyrics are written for a Scott melody. So it would sound strange with Axl, as does Slither too.

The riff was meant for Guns but that's all it was, a riff... Axl would have written different lyrics and a he would have used a different melody with his voice.

2 hours ago, papashaun said:

Since Everyone was on the "Crash Diet" topic earlier on in this thread, whose version do you think is best?

 

 

 

Asphalt Ballet by far!

We've heard the same thing from Fortus, Bumblefoot, Axl and Ashba.

Obviously he has some songs that are at a completed stage so to say, but everything changes now that Duff and Slash are in the band, because possibly they will have to record the songs from scratch with their parts.

In any case there's gotta be completed songs from Bumblefoot/Ashba era. That's why we got that clip from The General. At least Jackie Chan and The General we know it's out there somewhere.

Sounds like a lie. That site has gave us a lot of lies in the past too.

"Up Town Terry" that is! Are you there, somewhere "Up Town Brotha ?!"

21 hours ago, DTJ80 said:

Fair enough! For me, if I feel like listening to a CD track, Rhiad is the go-to one. I was listening to one of the early leaks today and it’s funny how much less detail there is such as layered effects and guitars. Plus it has some great vocals - the part where he hits a high note sing ‘all my frustrations’ is impressive.

My go to songs are Oh My God, Chinese Democracy (Antiquiet) and There Was a Time (2001)

21 hours ago, DTJ80 said:

Rhiad is my favourite song off CD!!! 😆

The "aaaaaah haaaa haaaaa" and the solo ruin the song

1 minute ago, Lies They Tell said:

Cause CD didn't have enough ballads?

I get your point, but I also understand why they wanted to include some faster tempo songs on the album.

They should have taken out Prostitute and Shackler's Revenge, and Include Silkworms and Oh My God!

Oh My God is the best New GNR song in my opinion they have wrote.  It's a perfect cross between the old and new GNR. It also has the best lyrics Axl wrote so far, since the break up.