2020_Intensions

I'm so excited and still in disbelief that we're actually getting The General, but there's something that kinda brings the high down for me, and that's that instead of it being a surprise, and the band themselves generating the hype for it, we find out that it's coming because it's listed as a B-side on the physical release of Perhaps. It just feels so underwhelming and such a bummer that this legendary song was just quietly announced and is going to be a B-side. Idk, like I said I'm thrilled we're finally getting it, I just hate the way we're getting it. I wish Axl actually still had the passion for this music he labored over for so long, instead of now just seemingly farting them out to give a little boost to new tours.

Insta stories disappear after 24 hours so I cannot link it. Whatever show that was when I commented is what performance I was talking about. I haven't listened to any other live performances of Perhaps but I'm sure he's singing them all the same - What I heard (the chorus) was fucking awesome

It's a decent mix, but lacks everything else that makes the album version better.

Idk why everybody always shits on the VMA '02 performance. I just recently watched it again and it was really good. Not only was the crowd totally into it, but the band was tight and sounded great. Axl opening Jungle was epic. Madagascar was amazing and such a bold statement song to play to millions watching. "I'm back bitch ... And I wont be told anymore ..."

Man idc what ya'll think ... The album version of Riad kicks so much fucking ass crank your radio up with good sound system and that track will blow you away

Because they want GnR to be relevant again in the mainstream. They think GnR can be on top of the rock scene again like it's still the late 80s

Yeah there's quite a few that talk that way about these singles that are being released, and an imaginary new album.

Yeah I know. Was just curious. I think it's glaringly apparent that new GnR music will never be marketable. They are forever in the "classic" category. Regardless what people here think, casuals aren't interested in new GnR music. Foo Fighters, Offspring, Evanescence, Linkin Park, these bands are still getting their new music heavily promoted on radio. ChiDem got no radio play, and we're seeing the same now with these singles. I don't care. But there's a lot of people here that seem to think GnR are going to take over the charts and become mainstream again.

Still have yet to hear this song on my local rock stations. Only heard Hardschool one time back when it released and that was after midnight. Meanwhile, that stupid Linkin Park song "Lost" (ironically also over 20 years old) that was released last year is STILL being played multiple times a day on 3 different stations. There's times where it's playing on 2 stations at the same time.

Have you heard it on MGK or MMR yet?

DOWN ON THE FARM

That Perhaps clip on their Insta story right now ... Wow Axl sounds fucking amazing

Just went and listened. That's absolutely what that is.

So then I take it you would have been opposed to the remix album releasing as originally planned?

I like Bumble's solo, but overall not a fan of the updated version, can't even say when the last time I listened to it was, probably sometime in 2019. I love OMG. Always have. I think it's the most raw and energetic song from ChiDem. And it's a special song in that the lineup that wrote and recorded it only existed very briefly.

Why? Oh My God was clearly intended for another release. It wasn't worked on additionally in the mid-late 2000s for fun.

Would be a good album title, and that track list would make for a great album

Oh okay. Regardless, he wouldn't say that if Axl didn't himself say that. I think Bach is a reliable source regarding Axl. He also said 4 albums of finished songs played over 6 hours. I totally forgot about that quote. If that's true, then doesn't that there confirm (Bach as source) that the third part of ChiDem was also finished? 3 albums + remix = 6 hours

I thought Axl himself was quoted saying The General (or a different ChiDem song) was the follow up to Estranged?

I highly doubt it was rejected. I can't imagine a brand name as big as Axl Rose and Guns N' Roses would get denied any album they wanted to release, especially when all of the work was done and the costs had already been paid for. How much money has the reunion made for the label thus far? The reunion money has all been in touring.

Bach was quoting Axl. And that wasn't the first time we heard of a trilogy. That plan as far back as the very beginning, in the late 90s, early 2000/2001 period, was a trilogy, per Axl himself. And way back then, the number of songs was even higher than 32, which the Village leaks adds evidence of the amount of material that was being worked on at that point. The 32 songs containing remixes wouldn't make sense if they were working on that many as far back as 2000. They wouldn't have been doing remixes to an album that wasn't released. If Axl told Bach the 3rd album would be out in 2012, then obviously 2010 makes the most sense as to when ChiDem 2 would have been released. It's technically all speculation, but we have evidence that makes it a step above pure speculation.

What adds to the mystery too is that Axl (and GnR) were all over the news in 2014 right after the final NuGuns tour ended with ChiDem 2 and the remix album apparently in the pipelines ready to release. Then 2 guitarists and the bass player quit. So was that the catalyst that shelved (again) ChiDem 2 and directly led to the reunion? Slash and Duff then went through ChiDem 2 and picked the songs they liked and would be willing to work on, which is now what we're getting in piecemeal. So did Bumble, Ashba, and Stintson, by quitting the band, in effect, kill ChiDem 2?

It's still a mystery to this day. And the 3rd album was not intended to be the remix album, because the remix album is, well, a remix album.

Axl apparently wasn't singing until he started doing vocals for ChiDem in '98. IIRC GnR members confirmed he didn't sing a note on any of the material that was being worked on during those '95-'97 sessions.

Ok